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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?

 
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The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove.

J has claimed hundreds of times on this thread he and his government have Jurisdiction over ME.

His claim, he needs to provide proof.

I am waiting.
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02/16/2013 12:19 AM
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[link to t2.gstatic.com]

I found a picture of J and his SUBJECTS!
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You give him too much credit or power. He's just another turd in the toilet. Time to flush.
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Not running, demanding proof of jurisdiction, a perfectly legal demand. YOU claimed you have, now prove it!

Of course you're running. You know full well that your claims are useless nonsense. You know full well that if you break the law in front of a cop and he sees you, you'll be charged with a crime. You know full well that the law applies to you.

Which is why when challenged to put your theory to the test....


.....its just an endless series of useless excuses why you can't. Keep that tail tucked between tender cheeks, buddy.

Because you blinked.
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Blink or not, it is not proof of claim. Prove your jurisdiction over me, right here, right now.

Your claim is you have it, now prove it.
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02/16/2013 12:21 AM
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I said everybody is born Sovereign and the fiction you keep talking about has no jurisdiction


Oh, I remember you 'saying' it. You declaring that no laws apply to you doesn't amount to much. As you don't decide which laws apply to you and which don't. You don't define any 'requirement' of the law. You don't define any legal term. You don't define any jurisdiction.

The law and the courts do. Not you.

Its the same problem afflicting the entire sovereign citizen movement. They keep imagining, as you do, that any inane babble they want to imagine must apply to the real world.

Laughing...nope! Your imagination is irrelevant. It doens't effect the law in the slightest. It doesn't limit the authority of the court in the slightest. If you want to make a legal argument, cite the law or the courts.

But you citing yourself is meaningless. As you've demonstrated you're fully aware of by your refusal to put your theory to the test.

Keep running.
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02/16/2013 12:22 AM
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[link to t2.gstatic.com]

I found a picture of J and his SUBJECTS!
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You give him too much credit or power. He's just another turd in the toilet. Time to flush.
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He wears Depends, he does not get flushing, his nurse cleans up after his "accidents".

If this was my thread, I would have flushed him long ago, alias, I do not have that JURISDICTION!!!!

And that pic was pretty fitting! LOL!!!!
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link or not, it is not proof of claim. Prove your jurisdiction over me, right here, right now.


Shocker: More excuses why you won't dare put your theory to the test.

When even you don't believe your own nonsense, you're done.
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I said everybody is born Sovereign and the fiction you keep talking about has no jurisdiction


Oh, I remember you 'saying' it. You declaring that no laws apply to you doesn't amount to much. As you don't decide which laws apply to you and which don't. You don't define any 'requirement' of the law. You don't define any legal term. You don't define any jurisdiction.

The law and the courts do. Not you.

Its the same problem afflicting the entire sovereign citizen movement. They keep imagining, as you do, that any inane babble they want to imagine must apply to the real world.

Laughing...nope! Your imagination is irrelevant. It doens't effect the law in the slightest. It doesn't limit the authority of the court in the slightest. If you want to make a legal argument, cite the law or the courts.

But you citing yourself is meaningless. As you've demonstrated you're fully aware of by your refusal to put your theory to the test.

Keep running.
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I am not running, I am demanding you prove your claim that YOU have jurisdiction over me.

Come on, prove it, it was your claim, not mine.
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02/16/2013 12:24 AM
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I said everybody is born Sovereign and the fiction you keep talking about has no jurisdiction


Oh, I remember you 'saying' it. You declaring that no laws apply to you doesn't amount to much. As you don't decide which laws apply to you and which don't. You don't define any 'requirement' of the law. You don't define any legal term. You don't define any jurisdiction.

The law and the courts do. Not you.

Its the same problem afflicting the entire sovereign citizen movement. They keep imagining, as you do, that any inane babble they want to imagine must apply to the real world.

Laughing...nope! Your imagination is irrelevant. It doens't effect the law in the slightest. It doesn't limit the authority of the court in the slightest. If you want to make a legal argument, cite the law or the courts.

But you citing yourself is meaningless. As you've demonstrated you're fully aware of by your refusal to put your theory to the test.

Keep running.
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Whose courts and whose laws? They aren't mine because I never agreed to any of it. Just like the Chinese courts and laws aren't my laws.

My being born here isn't proof of jurisdiction

Please provide proof J that the fictions have jurisdiction over me. I'm waiting also. The threat of force and violence is NOT proof of jurisdiction
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link or not, it is not proof of claim. Prove your jurisdiction over me, right here, right now.


Shocker: More excuses why you won't dare put your theory to the test.

When even you don't believe your own nonsense, you're done.
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You have jurisdiction or you do not, my performance and consent are not relevant, that is how subjugation works.

Come on, you know this!
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02/16/2013 12:26 AM
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"Subjugation is one of many types of injustice in the world. It has to do with one group of people dominating another group by taking away their freedom. When slavery was legal in the U.S., that was a clear-cut case of subjugation: African-Americans were forced to live without rights, under the control of their white owners. To remember this word, think of its Latin root subjugat, which means "brought under a yoke."

[link to www.vocabulary.com]

Am I a "subject" or not J?
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I am not running, I am demanding you prove your claim that YOU have jurisdiction over me.

And when have I claimed that *I* have jurisdiction over you?

Quote me.
I think all the desperate scrambling away from your own claims has left you a little confused.
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02/16/2013 12:27 AM
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link or not, it is not proof of claim. Prove your jurisdiction over me, right here, right now.


Shocker: More excuses why you won't dare put your theory to the test.

When even you don't believe your own nonsense, you're done.
 Quoting: J 34504191


J - why do you keep running away from proof of jurisdiction?? please provide proof that the States or USA corporate fictions have jurisdiction over any of us?? Please provide proof that those fictional laws have jurisdiction over men and women. When did any of us agree to those laws? I never did did you?
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I am not running, I am demanding you prove your claim that YOU have jurisdiction over me.

And when have I claimed that *I* have jurisdiction over you?

Quote me.
I think all the desperate scrambling away from your own claims has left you a little confused.
 Quoting: J 34504191


Your government then. Either or, pond scum.
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02/16/2013 12:29 AM
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link or not, it is not proof of claim. Prove your jurisdiction over me, right here, right now.


Shocker: More excuses why you won't dare put your theory to the test.

When even you don't believe your own nonsense, you're done.
 Quoting: J 34504191


J - why do you keep running away from proof of jurisdiction?? please provide proof that the States or USA corporate fictions have jurisdiction over any of us?? Please provide proof that those fictional laws have jurisdiction over men and women. When did any of us agree to those laws? I never did did you?
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I didn't, but I still want proof I am a subject to his government, since he claimed I do not need to consent, it was because I was "born".
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02/16/2013 12:32 AM
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Whose courts and whose laws? They aren't mine because I never agreed to any of it. Just like the Chinese courts and laws aren't my laws.

If you're in China, they are. If you're in the US, then our laws apply. As jurisdiction is established geographically.

Your agreement with the law is completely irrelevant. As the laws apply whether or not you agree. If 'consent' were required for a law to apply, then any murderer could kill anyone they wish....and then summarily declare that the statute against murder doesn't apply to them.

Thankfully, we don't live under such a system. No nation does. That you imagine you're immune from all laws doesn't change the fact that if you violate our laws and we catch you.....you'll be punished accordingly.

You don't dare break a law where you could be caught because you know full well that your entire line of reasoning is meaningless gibberish. Its the same folly for virtually the whole of the sovereign citizen movement. You're brave in the bubble of the message board...and timid as church mice where the *actual* law is applied in the real world.

Those few hapless fools that actually try to put their theories to the test.....end up in jail.
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02/16/2013 12:32 AM
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NOT PROOF J
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02/16/2013 12:33 AM
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How about YOU prove I am "in the US" J?

Can you do that?
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02/16/2013 12:34 AM
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I didn't, but I still want proof I am a subject to his government, since he claimed I do not need to consent, it was because I was "born".


You can test your theory within a few minutes. But you don't dare.

Because you already know that your claims are meaningless gibberish. You're just another keyboard commando who talks big on the internet....yet slinks away quietly and obediently in the real world.

Shocker. Keep running.
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02/16/2013 12:35 AM
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Am I in the US now, J?

Where AM I?

Am I a US SUBJECT NOW, J?
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02/16/2013 12:36 AM
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I ran to Germany!!

Prove I am "in the US" and subject to your jurisdiction, or theirs, or anyone for that matter.

Come on PROVE IT!
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02/16/2013 12:38 AM
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How about YOU prove I am "in the US" J?

With the possible exception of Somalia, it really doesn't matter which country you're in. You're subject to the laws of the land. As jurisdiction is established geographically.

Try going to mexico and telling a cop that you can do whatever you want and none of mexico's laws apply to you. After they stopped laughing, I don't think the results would be pleasant.

You can lie to yourself all you like, buddy, you can imagine any legal superpowers you want.....the real world doesn't change a bit.

Which apparently even you realize in your stark and obsequious obedience to the law of the land.
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Did I escape US subjugation by being in Germany?

Am I under US jurisdiction again now J?

J? Can you prove it?
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02/16/2013 12:40 AM
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How about YOU prove I am "in the US" J?

With the possible exception of Somalia, it really doesn't matter which country you're in. You're subject to the laws of the land. As jurisdiction is established geographically.

Try going to mexico and telling a cop that you can do whatever you want and none of mexico's laws apply to you. After they stopped laughing, I don't think the results would be pleasant.

You can lie to yourself all you like, buddy, you can imagine any legal superpowers you want.....the real world doesn't change a bit.

Which apparently even you realize in your stark and obsequious obedience to the law of the land.
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Subjugation, by definition and your numerous posts does not require me to do or be anything or anywhere, either your Government has rule over me or it does not.

Provide your proof it does, pussy (that's another name for your list).
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NOT PROOF J

You can *say* you believe you're king and immune from all laws.

But your actions speak far louder than your words.

You could put your theory to the test in *minute*. But you don't dare...because you know your claims are meaningless gibberish.
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ubjugation, by definition and your numerous posts does not require me to do or be anything or anywhere, either your Government has rule over me or it does not.


Shocker. More excuses why you don't dare put your theories to the test.

You've already proven you don't believe your nonsense.

Keep running.
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PROVE YOUR CLAIM I AM A SUBJECT OF YOUR GOVERNMENT J.

You telling me to go "do" something so it will be proven is insanity, why would I need to do something to prove I am a subject, either I am subject or I am not.

Now prove it.
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ubjugation, by definition and your numerous posts does not require me to do or be anything or anywhere, either your Government has rule over me or it does not.


Shocker. More excuses why you don't dare put your theories to the test.

You've already proven you don't believe your nonsense.

Keep running.
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Keep not proving your claims, burrito bean.
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02/16/2013 12:45 AM
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Did I escape US subjugation by being in Germany?

And who said you were under 'US subjegation'? You citing you again?

Like your 'sovereign citizen' ilk, you keep making the silly mistake in thinking that you citing yourselves has any legal relevance.

It doesn't. Try again.
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I did wave my d*ck at a cop once. She arrested me alright, all night long. I would subject myself to her again and again.

Is that what you meant J?
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Did I escape US subjugation by being in Germany?

And who said you were under 'US subjegation'? You citing you again?

Like your 'sovereign citizen' ilk, you keep making the silly mistake in thinking that you citing yourselves has any legal relevance.

It doesn't. Try again.
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Was that proof? Hmm, NOPE.

Prove your claims of jurisdiction, or that I am in the US, or that I am an ilk?

Can't do it, or you would do it.