citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty."
Chisholm v. Georgia - 2 U.S. 419 (1793)
Resources for further study:
-sedm.org
-1215.org
-teamlaw.org
-Rob Menard
-Dean Clifford (who is currently being held in jail as a political prisoner)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288 Nobody knows what they are talking about on this thread? Speak for yourself.
Dean Clifford is in jail and has been numerous times because he is still endorsing the private credit of international bankers. Same with Rob, teamlaw and 1215.
You endorse their debt system and do not play by their rules, you are sunk.
ONLY (and I do mean ONLY) the suitors who are redeeming lawful money are consistently winning against the IRS, local courts and more importantly, avoiding them all together.
If you are not demanding your redemption as spelled out in 12 USC 411 and try what others are doing, you will be in the same place as Dean Clifford, Ted Turner and all the rest of the "trust" "sovereign" gurus.
Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Your either a complete morAn or a government troll. My post here is the only one worth reading. The lawfull money arguement has been destroyed in court many times. Federal Reserve Notes are 100% lawfull and legal. U keep on going about the public debt. ALL DEBTS ARE OWED TO THE CREDITORS. WHO THEN IS THE CREDITOR? I'LL GIVE U A HINT IT'S THE PEOPLE
In my research of over 15 years - this is the conclusion I have drawn as well...
The deficits of all the industrialized countries, are in fact credit owed to it's citizens... lawful money, meaning money earned by labour, when spent into the economy produces a dividend, a reserve...
The Canadian "Bills of Exchange Act" clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant...
The devil though is in the details - how exactly do we redeem our credit???
The first step is to record your demand for said redemption.
NOTICE is ALWAYS the first step. Once your notice and demand is recorded, you keep demanding it.
This is the ONLY way for anyone in a "debtor" nation to become a creditor. This is the major flaw in Clifford and many other BS sovereign citizen claims. Pledging labor does not make you (legally) a creditor, it makes you a peon or share cropper.
When I demand my "pay check" for anything, labor, ideas, et al be redeemed in lawful money per 12 USC 411, I am telling the government "YOU owe me this amount of lawful money" and I want it, its now a matter of public record.
They do not give it to me, they give me US Notes (you see them as Federal Reserve Notes) that are worthless, the government still owes me my money, therefore, I am, in legal and lawful terms, its CREDITOR.
The stupid idea that I can go into a bankruptcy court and claim "creditor" or "beneficiary" status to a trust that I have never accessed via my demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411 AND a reservation of rights on every contractual agreement between my person and the Government is not a legally viable stand.
That is why the Gurus end up in jail all the time, they are standing on legal ground they have not accessed by obeying the law of the land.
I understand your using lawful money issue, and although that may alleviate the federal tax issue - it does not answer the issue of redeeming the credit you have built up...
It is the redemption of credit, that I am after... It has far more value then gains I might have from not paying federal taxes...
NICE.
So if I went to my BANK RIGHT NOW AND DID THIS
Would I get a US Note instead of FRN? Red Seal and all?
If I went in with a notarized letter and cut and pasted some highlighted laws from the other thread, etc.
The other thread has all the info on where the US Treasury Notes are and how to prove you are accessing and using them!
www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1
