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Message Subject Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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"The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor to the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one indifferent thereto. It is a FIGHTING clause. It's benefits can be retained only by sustained COMBAT. It cannot be claimed by attorney or solicitor. It is valid only when insisted upon by a BELLIGERENT claimant in person." McAlister vs. Henkel, 201 U.S. 90, 26 S.Ct. 385, 50 L. Ed. 671; Commonwealth vs. Shaw, 4 Cush. 594, 50 Am.Dec. 813; Orum vs. State, 38 Ohio [link to images.intellitxt.com] ( [link to www.answerbag.com] App. 171, 175 N.E. 876. The one who is persuaded by honeyed words or moral persuasion to testify or produce documents rather than make a last ditch stand, simply loses the protection. . . . He must refuse to answer or produce, and test the matter in contempt proceedings, or by habeas corpus."

The above is exactly how the system is set up, to prey on the weak and those bought and seduced by compliance with every whim of their masters.

There are no "rights" unless and until you are willing to TAKE THEM, they are not "given" they are FORCED from the grip of government by a BELLIGERENT COMBATIVE and WILLING man or woman.

To believe a US Citizen is "free" and has "rights" because of what others fought died for is A LIE, only YOU can stand up and take what is your birthright from those who would happily enslave you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288

How did that work out for Ed and Elaine Brown or others you may know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32235185

I do not associate with tax cheats.

They endorsed Federal Reserve Credit, they then refused to pay the owner of that credit a return of currency, that is a property crime.

The courts upheld a legal and constitutional law in their prosecution, end of discussion for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288

Are you saying if you endorse by using the remedy Title 12 sec 411 you don't have to pay taxes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32235185

I am not saying that at all. I am saying and have been saying that the question "does redeeming lawful money per 12 USC 411 redeem one from the income tax"? has NEVER been tried in court.

Bringing up individual cases where the defendant or appellant has not demanded redemption per 12 USC 411 is pointless, since the question before the court is different.

There is ample evidence the IRS believes it makes a difference, since full refunds have been issued without question to those doing it. In some cases, their were questions, but once the status of the demand record was given, the IRS has backed off immediately.

Full refunds are NOT proof, but the results are there and to date, and after years of people doing it, no threats nor cases nor bulletins about "frivolous arguments" have been made by the IRS, anyone can verify that for themselves.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, those are the facts to date.
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