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IMPLOSION ALERT: Fed Has Bought More Gov't Debt This Year Than Gov't Has Issued

 
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Huh? What is all this crap? barry says we're the richest country in the world!
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Stock up people, when it happens, is going to be fast and hard.
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No country in the history of mankind has ever done this and not experienced some sort of collapse.
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The ancient Roman Empire comes to mind as an excellent example. They also had an over extended military paid with and increasingly worthless currency and a central governmental control structure that was completely corrupt and dethatched from its incompatibly multicultural citizens.
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It truly is amazing how much our country resembles ancient Rome in it's final yrs.
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Yes, but our social fall is ahead of our financial collapse.

Huh? What is all this crap? barry says we're the richest country in the world!
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We are. But as a contry we are "house poor."

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Soon, it will all come crashing down and people are going to be scrambling all over the place. It's going to get ugly quick.. Why do you think they have been buying up all the ammo? And introducing the drones to the US?
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So is government debt on backorder ?
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What does a Clyde Lewis listener, alien abductee, and targeted individual say about all of this:


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stock up...

okay I have about a years worth of food to feed the family. We'll be short on meat, but I have a garden, canned goods and some freezer provisions.


How long after 'collapse' and everything shuts down, before food will be available again in the stores with the new money (i'm sure it will be some kind of invisable money').

Do you think it will be months?
Years?

Do you think the government will just take over all capitalistic corps. (interupt the food chain) and turn the country facist, and allow food to be bought only through a system they set up.

Makes you think about the beasts mark.

I'm terrified.

But I have faith in God.

Should I by more food to keep the belly's of my children full?

My husband said that he thinks it'll be three months, then we will get an allotment allowance per person to buy food.

Oh my gosh, I think I'll be ordering from my seed catalog today.
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Economic facts are racist.

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Soon, it will all come crashing down and people are going to be scrambling all over the place. It's going to get ugly quick.. Why do you think they have been buying up all the ammo? And introducing the drones to the US?
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I think it will happen fast when it really starts to unwind.
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for some reason adding another zero to the total debt seems to have no affect on the world market...so who cares I guess
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Well, since money is debt that's not really surprising. But who got the cash and for what? And if you had the same money supply & no national debt couldn't the market still be at the same level?
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You people dont realise -

The moment we settle on other planets and start to harvest raw materials from the solar system - EVERYTHING you have ever known is pretty much obsolete.

We have resources out there that haven't even yet been FOUND to science. Imagine the if we find tons and tons of gold on the moon or on mars.

You people should just calm down man - the economy as a global organism cant ever really crash as we have all the resources yet to be found in the solar system to add to the markets and our economy.

The fact that they are not seeking such resources is where the problem lies. This planet is going to become inhospitable to human life not a question of if but when. No plan in place your truly fucked anyway. Humanity has to start and NOW harvesting the aforementioned resources in the solar system.

As a solar systemic organism it is only then we actually have a chance of survival in the universe anyway.

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Good idea. I think we probably could ramp up efficiency tech and focus on recycling raw materials more. But, getting resources from outside of earth is going to be big too. We'll need resource for outside colonies and could possibly bring some back to earth if it's not cost prohibitive. Some companies have already been started:

[link to www.space.com]

[link to www.space.com]

[link to news.yahoo.com]
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but ob wan says state of our union is strong
hmm
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I don't get the gold standard. Why limit your growth artificially like that, especially in an economy where so many need a job and where we have so many tools for small businesses to be created these days. And small businesses create most of the jobs, so there you go. And as far as inflation... is that really an issue as long as the new supply of money creates equal demand via goods and services and people buying them? And it's not like the Fed has done a good job with inflation anyway. See this:

[link to dailybail.com]

One might theorize that the booms and busts are in fact part of the plan to slowly gobble up the economy. Let people build things... take them. Build more.... repo. Repeat forever. Is it really working? No. Why create money as debt and why tie the money supply to a rock that's predominantly elite controlled and whose supply doesn't necessarily grow with the size of an economy anyway? Issue public money. Put in annual limits tied in some fashion to gdp. And perhaps even divide up the money power among all 50 states based on population or something so as to not give all printing power just to the federal govt. I don't know the exact answer, but I think this will allow us to make money servant of humanity instead of the other way around without giving too much power to any one governing body. I sense some good financial minds on this thread.... any thoughts?
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you people. it started like this: people used gold coins and solver coins for barter. these satanic dudes came along with a safe and said we will hold those coins and give you paper IOU's to swap as currency so no one steals your coin. Then they said that they could lend out the paper IOU's fractionally, meaning if they had 10 dollars worth of coins in their safe they could print 1000 IOU's and lend them out with interest, putting people in debt to them. They could then seize that debt through labor or by taking shit like land and horses, maybe their young boy for servitutde. that's how all of this started. ok. now they just punch numbers on a screen and own your soul and time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


this scam is no different than Nigerians emailing you with shit. It is a scam, not even a pyramid scam, a crackhead scam that now rules the planet. People go look, we have built cities and have TV, but all of technology is used to create addictions and keep the scammers in control. it is rednecks and mexicans actually making cars, roads, and buildings -- debt is working as you receive fractional IOU's for your labor. then they added credit cards, payday loans, etc.

it really is that stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


No, you're absolutely right, and those are great points. But I didn't say I didn't get buying gold as a store of value. I merely said I didn't get the gold standard. It's a fraud too since the amount of money created is restricted artificially by a metal that's predominantly elite controlled. And if you're still creating money as debt.... and have to service it w/ interest all the time, then that restriction becomes prohibitive to creating jobs and things of value.

The fractional reserve and debt nature of the system it seems are the main things you're protesting and the gold advocates I believe keep those around.... it's just that they want the overall supply of money to be restricted by the gold supply. I think it would make more sense to consider gdp when deciding restrictions on annual printing, and not the quantity of a stupid rock. The assets of any nation (gold & otherwise) are basically the collateral for it's debt one way or another, so there's no reason to only consider our gold supply when figuring out how much we can print. Just my opinion. I think Ron Paul has even softened his stance on gold a bit too lately, and I've heard him talking about competing currencies, I guess one or more of which could be gold or silver backed for people who want that.
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I don't get the gold standard. Why limit your growth artificially like that, especially in an economy where so many need a job and where we have so many tools for small businesses to be created these days. And small businesses create most of the jobs, so there you go. And as far as inflation... is that really an issue as long as the new supply of money creates equal demand via goods and services and people buying them? And it's not like the Fed has done a good job with inflation anyway. See this:

[link to dailybail.com]

One might theorize that the booms and busts are in fact part of the plan to slowly gobble up the economy. Let people build things... take them. Build more.... repo. Repeat forever. Is it really working? No. Why create money as debt and why tie the money supply to a rock that's predominantly elite controlled and whose supply doesn't necessarily grow with the size of an economy anyway? Issue public money. Put in annual limits tied in some fashion to gdp. And perhaps even divide up the money power among all 50 states based on population or something so as to not give all printing power just to the federal govt. I don't know the exact answer, but I think this will allow us to make money servant of humanity instead of the other way around without giving too much power to any one governing body. I sense some good financial minds on this thread.... any thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18880329


you people. it started like this: people used gold coins and solver coins for barter. these satanic dudes came along with a safe and said we will hold those coins and give you paper IOU's to swap as currency so no one steals your coin. Then they said that they could lend out the paper IOU's fractionally, meaning if they had 10 dollars worth of coins in their safe they could print 1000 IOU's and lend them out with interest, putting people in debt to them. They could then seize that debt through labor or by taking shit like land and horses, maybe their young boy for servitutde. that's how all of this started. ok. now they just punch numbers on a screen and own your soul and time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


this scam is no different than Nigerians emailing you with shit. It is a scam, not even a pyramid scam, a crackhead scam that now rules the planet. People go look, we have built cities and have TV, but all of technology is used to create addictions and keep the scammers in control. it is rednecks and mexicans actually making cars, roads, and buildings -- debt is working as you receive fractional IOU's for your labor. then they added credit cards, payday loans, etc.

it really is that stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


No, you're absolutely right, and those are great points. But I didn't say I didn't get buying gold as a store of value. I merely said I didn't get the gold standard. It's a fraud too since the amount of money created is restricted artificially by a metal that's predominantly elite controlled. And if you're still creating money as debt.... and have to service it w/ interest all the time, then that restriction becomes prohibitive to creating jobs and things of value.

The fractional reserve and debt nature of the system it seems are the main things you're protesting and the gold advocates I believe keep those around.... it's just that they want the overall supply of money to be restricted by the gold supply. I think it would make more sense to consider gdp when deciding restrictions on annual printing, and not the quantity of a stupid rock. The assets of any nation (gold & otherwise) are basically the collateral for it's debt one way or another, so there's no reason to only consider our gold supply when figuring out how much we can print. Just my opinion. I think Ron Paul has even softened his stance on gold a bit too lately, and I've heard him talking about competing currencies, I guess one or more of which could be gold or silver backed for people who want that.
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Gold is hardly a "stupid rock". It has been used as money for several thousand years.
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you people. it started like this: people used gold coins and solver coins for barter. these satanic dudes came along with a safe and said we will hold those coins and give you paper IOU's to swap as currency so no one steals your coin. Then they said that they could lend out the paper IOU's fractionally, meaning if they had 10 dollars worth of coins in their safe they could print 1000 IOU's and lend them out with interest, putting people in debt to them. They could then seize that debt through labor or by taking shit like land and horses, maybe their young boy for servitutde. that's how all of this started. ok. now they just punch numbers on a screen and own your soul and time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


this scam is no different than Nigerians emailing you with shit. It is a scam, not even a pyramid scam, a crackhead scam that now rules the planet. People go look, we have built cities and have TV, but all of technology is used to create addictions and keep the scammers in control. it is rednecks and mexicans actually making cars, roads, and buildings -- debt is working as you receive fractional IOU's for your labor. then they added credit cards, payday loans, etc.

it really is that stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


No, you're absolutely right, and those are great points. But I didn't say I didn't get buying gold as a store of value. I merely said I didn't get the gold standard. It's a fraud too since the amount of money created is restricted artificially by a metal that's predominantly elite controlled. And if you're still creating money as debt.... and have to service it w/ interest all the time, then that restriction becomes prohibitive to creating jobs and things of value.

The fractional reserve and debt nature of the system it seems are the main things you're protesting and the gold advocates I believe keep those around.... it's just that they want the overall supply of money to be restricted by the gold supply. I think it would make more sense to consider gdp when deciding restrictions on annual printing, and not the quantity of a stupid rock. The assets of any nation (gold & otherwise) are basically the collateral for it's debt one way or another, so there's no reason to only consider our gold supply when figuring out how much we can print. Just my opinion. I think Ron Paul has even softened his stance on gold a bit too lately, and I've heard him talking about competing currencies, I guess one or more of which could be gold or silver backed for people who want that.
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Gold is hardly a "stupid rock". It has been used as money for several thousand years.
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Yeah, but the point is you can still use it as money while not restricting the money supply by pinning it only to gold. Gold and gdp don't necessarily grow at the same rate, so why pin to gold?
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i see this and laugh my ars off inside.... the sheep still deny this is bad after all in college economics this is good right
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Go to ZeroHedge and read the comments, they'll tell you as always,
Its all bullish, until it crashes.
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It's called

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ZeroHedge understands the problem.

That's why I suggested ZeroHedge. Not Shilling.
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It's called

Kick the can, on down the road.
--Tyler Durden, ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge understands the problem.

That's why I suggested ZeroHedge. Not Shilling.
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Zerohedge gets the severity of the U.S.'s true financial situation. Their stuff's always a good read.
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this scam is no different than Nigerians emailing you with shit. It is a scam, not even a pyramid scam, a crackhead scam that now rules the planet. People go look, we have built cities and have TV, but all of technology is used to create addictions and keep the scammers in control. it is rednecks and mexicans actually making cars, roads, and buildings -- debt is working as you receive fractional IOU's for your labor. then they added credit cards, payday loans, etc.

it really is that stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34386416


No, you're absolutely right, and those are great points. But I didn't say I didn't get buying gold as a store of value. I merely said I didn't get the gold standard. It's a fraud too since the amount of money created is restricted artificially by a metal that's predominantly elite controlled. And if you're still creating money as debt.... and have to service it w/ interest all the time, then that restriction becomes prohibitive to creating jobs and things of value.

The fractional reserve and debt nature of the system it seems are the main things you're protesting and the gold advocates I believe keep those around.... it's just that they want the overall supply of money to be restricted by the gold supply. I think it would make more sense to consider gdp when deciding restrictions on annual printing, and not the quantity of a stupid rock. The assets of any nation (gold & otherwise) are basically the collateral for it's debt one way or another, so there's no reason to only consider our gold supply when figuring out how much we can print. Just my opinion. I think Ron Paul has even softened his stance on gold a bit too lately, and I've heard him talking about competing currencies, I guess one or more of which could be gold or silver backed for people who want that.
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Gold is hardly a "stupid rock". It has been used as money for several thousand years.
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Yeah, but the point is you can still use it as money while not restricting the money supply by pinning it only to gold. Gold and gdp don't necessarily grow at the same rate, so why pin to gold?
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You certainly have a point. The problem is a fiat currency is just that.
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Everything is going as planned for the collapse
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YES...moving along nicely....
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No, you're absolutely right, and those are great points. But I didn't say I didn't get buying gold as a store of value. I merely said I didn't get the gold standard. It's a fraud too since the amount of money created is restricted artificially by a metal that's predominantly elite controlled. And if you're still creating money as debt.... and have to service it w/ interest all the time, then that restriction becomes prohibitive to creating jobs and things of value.

The fractional reserve and debt nature of the system it seems are the main things you're protesting and the gold advocates I believe keep those around.... it's just that they want the overall supply of money to be restricted by the gold supply. I think it would make more sense to consider gdp when deciding restrictions on annual printing, and not the quantity of a stupid rock. The assets of any nation (gold & otherwise) are basically the collateral for it's debt one way or another, so there's no reason to only consider our gold supply when figuring out how much we can print. Just my opinion. I think Ron Paul has even softened his stance on gold a bit too lately, and I've heard him talking about competing currencies, I guess one or more of which could be gold or silver backed for people who want that.
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Gold is hardly a "stupid rock". It has been used as money for several thousand years.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Yeah, but the point is you can still use it as money while not restricting the money supply by pinning it only to gold. Gold and gdp don't necessarily grow at the same rate, so why pin to gold?
 Quoting: ^Faceless^


You certainly have a point. The problem is a fiat currency is just that.
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Yes, but gold is not manipulation free and in fact a gold cartel could mess with the price, causing booms and busts and slowly but surely repo what the economy creates. Let people build stuff.... repo. Let build.... repo. Boom/bust forever... slowly gobble up economy. In fact, that happens now to some extent but at least we can print to help make up for pieces of the pie extracted by the elite. But with a gold standard we wouldn't be able to do that and so it could be quite insidious. They boom and bust us into poverty and slowly extract the wealth and then we're stuck and not able to print our way out. Look to Europe; They thought socialism would save them but they kept the financial hijinks going on and got looted. And many of those countries gave up their printing power and you see the austerity and asset stripping being done now in place of being able to create that new capital. So, beware of the gold standard; It could end up way worse than what we have now and is another card played by the money changers. Notice that the gold standard advocates usually never want to address the money as debt issue either. If money is debt then you have to print to service the accumulating debt. The gold standard restriction then just exacerbates the descent into austerity and asset stripping. Ask the gold standard types why money should be debt while simultaneously we should restrict our printing to a rock that the elite control and can manipulate? Do they want us to be slaves?


You could implement additional controls to try to stop the manipulation, but we know the govt. is usually one step behind, so hoping that the regulations would keep gold manipulation under wraps is probably a silly assumption. So, it makes more sense just go go straight fiat. Again, it's still backed by whatever you can buy with it. That's why they talk about confidence so much. So, as long as we don't inflate too much, that confidence will be there and people can "back" their personal wealth with whatever they choose to buy. And more savings minded individuals can buy things that store value well like metals or land, etc. I understand that with straight fiat, you could overprint, but that's why I propose and annual limit tied to gdp. And the fed govt. could be corrupt and waste money, so that's why I propose perhaps dividing that power among the 50 states to keep it more in the people's grasp. At least, let's keep the option of printing because we might need it. It's nice to think that we won't need it and the elite will fund our businesses if need be. But, perhaps they won't. Google "elite hiding 18 trillion offshore". And in addition many of them have more material wealth than anyone needs anyway. I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just saying we might need to print sometimes and shouldn't restrict ourselves artificially, especially to a metal that has been known to be manipulated in the past.

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