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FISHY DEATH - Pope John Paul II, That's Who! - An Old Mystery In The Rotten Vatican Archives

 
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FISHY DEATH - Pope John Paul II, That's Who! - An Old Mystery In The Rotten Vatican Archives
Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict XVI (ex), knows where a lot of bodies are buried.

Ratzinger was brought to the Vatican by Pope John Paul II, or rather, his handlers.

This article was sure news to me...

"The news circulated that John Paul II was fine again. But on Wednesday, March 23, he appeared at the window of his apartment with an angry, acrimonious face, tried to speak, but was not able to do so" -- because he had mysteriously been operated on for a tracheotomy and nobody knew quite why!

(SEE SCARY PICTURE AT LINK)

"No satisfactory explanation. Just an insistence on the same point: he had a cold and a light respiratory problem. Why the need for such a radical procedure as a tracheotomy, which had a side consequence of preventing him from speaking? No explanation."


Ten days later he was dead.

Nothing about his last weeks of life made sense.

Read:

[link to www.traditioninaction.org]
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well, the Declaration of Death (within the link you provided) stated Septic Shock. It is not uncommen that a Septic Shock, especially in elderly, causes multiple organ failure and is very often fatal.
It is possible that this cold resulted in a systemic bacterial infection which led to a septic shock. episodes of acute respiratory insuffiency indicate so as well.

as far as i am concerned, nothing fishy there
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Ratzinger was about to become Pope but instead they set John Paul II

since then Ratzinger hated j.Paul II and his crew

Popes are as effective as politicians..tehy are pretty much a façade nothing else

Who set you in position, will remove you, and retain the power all the time
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well, the Declaration of Death (within the link you provided) stated Septic Shock. It is not uncommen that a Septic Shock, especially in elderly, causes multiple organ failure and is very often fatal.
It is possible that this cold resulted in a systemic bacterial infection which led to a septic shock. episodes of acute respiratory insuffiency indicate so as well.

as far as i am concerned, nothing fishy there
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Except that he had the top medical team and tests around him, in and out of hospital visits.

A systemic bacterial infection would have been diagnosed before it got out of control.

Daily reports on the Pope's medical condition during these last weeks never mentioned systemic bacterial infection.

Please read the article over again, because you have made a comment which I don't believe is consistent with the facts.

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well, the Declaration of Death (within the link you provided) stated Septic Shock. It is not uncommen that a Septic Shock, especially in elderly, causes multiple organ failure and is very often fatal.
It is possible that this cold resulted in a systemic bacterial infection which led to a septic shock. episodes of acute respiratory insuffiency indicate so as well.

as far as i am concerned, nothing fishy there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33749227


Except that he had the top medical team and tests around him, in and out of hospital visits.

A systemic bacterial infection would have been diagnosed before it got out of control.

Daily reports on the Pope's medical condition during these last weeks never mentioned systemic bacterial infection.

Please read the article over again, because you have made a comment which I don't believe is consistent with the facts.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Well cause of Death was:

• Septic shock;
• Irreversible cardio-circulatory collapse

The septic shock resulted in heart failure. It can go off fast and sometimes its really only a matter of day(s). Look up the definition for septic shock.
Septic shock is the result of an infection which is systemic or sometimes local. Therefore a seperate mentioning of a bacterial infection in the death report was not neccesary. To get the right treatment, the type of bacteria has to be determind. Not all antibiotics fight all bacteria. To know the bacteria you first have to see what grows from a blood sample.This usually takes a couple of days, up to a week.
I work on a ICU, so i am only looking at the medical side here. I deal alot with the kind of stuff and only wanted to help explain.
Also the tracheotomy indicates that the condition and respiratory failure was much more serious then told.

He could have went back to hospital, being connected to a ventilator, being on high doses of cardiovascular supporting medication and high doses of antibiotics and so on.. with no guaranty of success. He did state he didnt want to be on tubes, which i can understand and this decision should be respected.
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well, the Declaration of Death (within the link you provided) stated Septic Shock. It is not uncommen that a Septic Shock, especially in elderly, causes multiple organ failure and is very often fatal.
It is possible that this cold resulted in a systemic bacterial infection which led to a septic shock. episodes of acute respiratory insuffiency indicate so as well.

as far as i am concerned, nothing fishy there
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33749227


Except that he had the top medical team and tests around him, in and out of hospital visits.

A systemic bacterial infection would have been diagnosed before it got out of control.

Daily reports on the Pope's medical condition during these last weeks never mentioned systemic bacterial infection.

Please read the article over again, because you have made a comment which I don't believe is consistent with the facts.
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Well cause of Death was:

• Septic shock;
• Irreversible cardio-circulatory collapse

The septic shock resulted in heart failure. It can go off fast and sometimes its really only a matter of day(s). Look up the definition for septic shock.
Septic shock is the result of an infection which is systemic or sometimes local. Therefore a seperate mentioning of a bacterial infection in the death report was not neccesary. To get the right treatment, the type of bacteria has to be determind. Not all antibiotics fight all bacteria. To know the bacteria you first have to see what grows from a blood sample.This usually takes a couple of days, up to a week.
I work on a ICU, so i am only looking at the medical side here. I deal alot with the kind of stuff and only wanted to help explain.
Also the tracheotomy indicates that the condition and respiratory failure was much more serious then told.

He could have went back to hospital, being connected to a ventilator, being on high doses of cardiovascular supporting medication and high doses of antibiotics and so on.. with no guaranty of success. He did state he didnt want to be on tubes, which i can understand and this decision should be respected.
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Sorry, you professional skeptics. Fail.

The Pope, in this case John Paul II, isn't just an old man waiting around for a lab to do a test and wondering if the doctor will call with the results today.

He is THE POPE - get it? He receives the best care in the world.

Read the article at the link, if you can be bothered.

And check out your history. Pope Paul VI was replaced with a double.

Pope John Paul I was poisoned.

Both in the 20th century.

You guys are so hung up on the trees, you miss the forest by a mile.

Clueless on GLP

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Sorry, you professional skeptics. Fail.

The Pope, in this case John Paul II, isn't just an old man waiting around for a lab to do a test and wondering if the doctor will call with the results today.

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Lol, even for the pope bacterias wont grow faster out a blood sample in a petri dish.

And I am only responding to the claim that the circumstances of death where fishy according to the declaration of death, which is supposely lacking satisfactory explanation - it doesnt.

Treatment of septic shock requiere high dosis of i.v. antibiotics, constant monitoring and very much so i.v noradrenalin. Especially with a ischemic heart disease the outcome is rather poor.

Oh, btw, even with a tracheotomie someone can speak with the help of a little valve attached to the top of the tube.

The claimes of the original pope beeing poisened and doubled i am not adressing at all here. Mabe so, maybe not....

But in the end it doesnt matter....
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Re: FISHY DEATH - Pope John Paul II, That's Who! - An Old Mystery In The Rotten Vatican Archives
um no the EXTREMELY "fishy" death was that of John Paul I...research that one.

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