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The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE

 
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
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Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


not sure but the hostages were not at big bear from what im getting...left hostages,fish&wildlife spotted him driving he opened fire on them..carjacked truck from dude with dog,crashed truck or whatever and fled to the shootout place
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Gotta love that his drivers license didnt burn up or completely melt in the fire that was too hot to search for hours.

Its always them IDs, passports ot drivers licenses, that make it.


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Thank you for saying something. Wasn't his WALLET found in San Diego, near the boat? How many of you keep your DL outside your Wallet (they knew it was his wallet..I'll look to see if I can find what was in it)?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE


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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Big Bear Lake had mines. Mines have tunnels. He had the intelligence and plenty of time to study the mines and their tunnels. Some BB Lake mines:

Arctic Canyon Pit
Balanced Rock Mine
Bessemer Mine
Blackhawk Mine
Blue Quartz Mine
Cushenbury Pit
Doble Mine
Gold Hill Mine
Green Rock Mine
Greenlead Mine
Harvey K Mine
Liberty Mine
Marble Canyon Pit
Mohawk Mine
Monte Cristo Mine
Onyx Mine
Rose Mine
Santa Fe Mine
Silver Reef Mine
Texas Rock Quarry
Wright Mine
 Quoting: Nine's


You are kidding right? He's studying underground mines and is hiding in them?

Ridiculous.
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Why do you think that is ridiculous?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


not sure but the hostages were not at big bear from what im getting...left hostages,fish&wildlife spotted him driving he opened fire on them..carjacked truck from dude with dog,crashed truck or whatever and fled to the shootout place
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


Where the hostages a couple or cleaning ladies?

A witness who says he's a relative of a couple tied up by a suspect told ABC7 that the pair was not injured
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Gotta love that his drivers license didnt burn up or completely melt in the fire that was too hot to search for hours.

Its always them IDs, passports ot drivers licenses, that make it.


[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Thank you for saying something. Wasn't his WALLET found in San Diego, near the boat? How many of you keep your DL outside your Wallet (they knew it was his wallet..I'll look to see if I can find what was in it)?
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All I can find was the wallet was turned in by a shuttle driving near the airport with a badge and photo id. It didn't say the photo ID was a DL. Still odd. Part of his ploy, most likely. Setting it up that he was either flying or boating out of SD.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Big Bear Lake had mines. Mines have tunnels. He had the intelligence and plenty of time to study the mines and their tunnels. Some BB Lake mines:

Arctic Canyon Pit
Balanced Rock Mine
Bessemer Mine
Blackhawk Mine
Blue Quartz Mine
Cushenbury Pit
Doble Mine
Gold Hill Mine
Green Rock Mine
Greenlead Mine
Harvey K Mine
Liberty Mine
Marble Canyon Pit
Mohawk Mine
Monte Cristo Mine
Onyx Mine
Rose Mine
Santa Fe Mine
Silver Reef Mine
Texas Rock Quarry
Wright Mine
 Quoting: Nine's


You are kidding right? He's studying underground mines and is hiding in them?

Ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2536940



Why do you think that is ridiculous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3513427


no,but people that lived in the house said it had escape routes from the basement...one was a fireman that grew up there
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Just an aside.....

Haven't been following this because it wreaks of bs, but just wondering, have any of his family been interviewed or friends.

Apart from us being told who he is, has this been corroborated (legitimately or otherwise) by the media?

Just curious?

Would not the press be clamouring to get to his next of kin?

Are we to again swallow yet another narrative culminating in the "bogey man" not being able to be publicly identified like with Osama?
 Quoting: Rose 34336710


Media put up a picture of his mother's house, which was being searched with a warrant. Also, a pic of Dorner's house in Las Vegas, which was said to have also been searched. The picture of Dorner's house showed his truck outside so I don't know when the pic was taken.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


not sure but the hostages were not at big bear from what im getting...left hostages,fish&wildlife spotted him driving he opened fire on them..carjacked truck from dude with dog,crashed truck or whatever and fled to the shootout place
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


Where the hostages a couple or cleaning ladies?

A witness who says he's a relative of a couple tied up by a suspect told ABC7 that the pair was not injured
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15939579


from what i gathered the cleaning ladies worked for the woman taken hostage
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Big Bear Lake had mines. Mines have tunnels. He had the intelligence and plenty of time to study the mines and their tunnels. Some BB Lake mines:

Arctic Canyon Pit
Balanced Rock Mine
Bessemer Mine
Blackhawk Mine
Blue Quartz Mine
Cushenbury Pit
Doble Mine
Gold Hill Mine
Green Rock Mine
Greenlead Mine
Harvey K Mine
Liberty Mine
Marble Canyon Pit
Mohawk Mine
Monte Cristo Mine
Onyx Mine
Rose Mine
Santa Fe Mine
Silver Reef Mine
Texas Rock Quarry
Wright Mine
 Quoting: Nine's


You are kidding right? He's studying underground mines and is hiding in them?

Ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2536940



Why do you think that is ridiculous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3513427


There was one man who had called in to a news station, not the owner of the cabin or her son. He said the cabin had a huge basement. Didn't mention any tunnel, though. This was during the shooting, so not sure if LAPD heard it or was told.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Big Bear Lake had mines. Mines have tunnels. He had the intelligence and plenty of time to study the mines and their tunnels. Some BB Lake mines:

Arctic Canyon Pit
Balanced Rock Mine
Bessemer Mine
Blackhawk Mine
Blue Quartz Mine
Cushenbury Pit
Doble Mine
Gold Hill Mine
Green Rock Mine
Greenlead Mine
Harvey K Mine
Liberty Mine
Marble Canyon Pit
Mohawk Mine
Monte Cristo Mine
Onyx Mine
Rose Mine
Santa Fe Mine
Silver Reef Mine
Texas Rock Quarry
Wright Mine
 Quoting: Nine's


You are kidding right? He's studying underground mines and is hiding in them?

Ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2536940



Why do you think that is ridiculous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3513427


There was one man who had called in to a news station, not the owner of the cabin or her son. He said the cabin had a huge basement. Didn't mention any tunnel, though. This was during the shooting, so not sure if LAPD heard it or was told.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27778286


when it was all going down it was said that fireman that grew up there made them aware that there was a 12x15 basement then later they mentioned that he mentioned that it had escape routes from it
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Just an aside.....

Haven't been following this because it wreaks of bs, but just wondering, have any of his family been interviewed or friends.

Apart from us being told who he is, has this been corroborated (legitimately or otherwise) by the media?

Just curious?

Would not the press be clamouring to get to his next of kin?

Are we to again swallow yet another narrative culminating in the "bogey man" not being able to be publicly identified like with Osama?
 Quoting: Rose 34336710


there are reports of his mom spotted at a bar watching the shootout while eating chip n dips
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
one route lead to stable...thats where all the horse talk in thread comes in the thread from yesterday with all posts and comments like 150+pages read through it and will help a lot...theres links to scanner archives and everything
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Just an aside.....

Haven't been following this because it wreaks of bs, but just wondering, have any of his family been interviewed or friends.

Apart from us being told who he is, has this been corroborated (legitimately or otherwise) by the media?

Just curious?

Would not the press be clamouring to get to his next of kin?

Are we to again swallow yet another narrative culminating in the "bogey man" not being able to be publicly identified like with Osama?
 Quoting: Rose 34336710


there are reports of his mom spotted at a bar watching the shootout while eating chip n dips
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yep drinking too lol
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


great question. he couldn't have been running around with all of it. couldn't have been zipping back and forth from one cabin to the other transporting stuff all this time. so which is it?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
There was a newspaper reporter there in the middle of this yesterday afternoon, about 4:30 est. Several posts on the long thread from yesterday. That reporter can clear up some of the timeline, who was where and which place.

If I can find the name and the paper he works for, I'll come back and post it here.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

You have probably seen it by now, but above is a link to the video of shootout taken by the reporter.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
There was a newspaper reporter there in the middle of this yesterday afternoon, about 4:30 est. Several posts on the long thread from yesterday. That reporter can clear up some of the timeline, who was where and which place.

If I can find the name and the paper he works for, I'll come back and post it here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3513427



[link to www.youtube.com]

You have probably seen it by now, but above is a link to the video of shootout taken by the reporter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3513427


thats fake..he disappeared fast...something evans...he just happend to be there when the first gunfight broke out and recorded it on phone lol
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Dorner was a fucking seal, he is not stupid enough to barricade himself without some escape route... He was trained for high risk situations and I believe he escaped through underground tunnel systems... DORNER STILL ALIVE.
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What??? When did he become a SEAL? He was a Naval Reservist. I feel like I am reading CNN- they had him as a lethal sniper.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Gotta love that his drivers license didnt burn up or completely melt in the fire that was too hot to search for hours.

Its always them IDs, passports ot drivers licenses, that make it.


[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: TeamReaper


THIS!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All of this guys...common sense I guess is not common no more eh?

A human body cannot be determined BUT a PLASTIC ID somehow is salvagable??? Crazy times.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Hostage discussion thread was already posted here -- Thread: What happened to Dorner's Hostage?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
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Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
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Seven Oaks Road just off of highway 38

Doesn't give the exact address, just the road.

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[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


[link to 7oaksmtncabins.com]

700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
ph: 909-794-1277
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


[link to 7oaksmtncabins.com]

700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
ph: 909-794-1277
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40700 Seven Oaks Rd.

[link to maps.google.ca (secure)]
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
he didn't have any hostages at the second house

that was the first house
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21548336


Were there two cabins or only one? His ammo and weapons were in the first cabin, right? And then there was the car chase where he would only have what he had on him not his full cache. So, if there were two cabins, WHERE DID ALL THE AMMO COME FROM THAT WAS EXPLODING DURING THE FIRE???

The cabin he was hiding out in before the shootout was in the 1200 block of Club View Drive.

What is the address of the cabin that was burned down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


[link to 7oaksmtncabins.com]

700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
ph: 909-794-1277
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opps I missed a few #'s on the address...it's

40700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Just look at the irony here...

"The Lodge is our recreation room with a ping pong table and a large fireplace (that can be used

when the fire danger is low)
"

[link to 7oaksmtncabins.com]

Maybe a tunnel was built as a fire safety precaution...
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opps I missed a few #'s on the address...it's

40700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


Ok, about 13 miles apart, so again where did the ammo come from that was exploding during the fire? He just had a shootout, so you would think he couldn't have that much ammo on him and he possibly had very little left on him.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.

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