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The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE

 
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
[link to ktla.com]

a play by play or yesterdays events. i consider them gospel.

you won't mistake a cleaning lady for a 270 lbs. man.
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burned is burned, just bones
 Quoting: JUST HERE


lol

you knos hos much fire it takes to completly burn a body. and how strong it has to be?

but i mean i havnt seen what happened after it started smoking

i heard theres basicly nothing left of the house?
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02/13/2013 06:36 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
They probably killed the housekeeper trying to take down Dorner, and will cover it up.
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02/13/2013 06:38 PM

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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
[link to ktla.com]

a play by play or yesterdays events. i consider them gospel.

you won't mistake a cleaning lady for a 270 lbs. man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34023421

Why couldn't the cleaning lady be fat? Cleaning takes some heft. That cleaning lady coulda been a 300 pounder in a mumu.
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02/13/2013 06:41 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
[link to ktla.com]

a play by play or yesterdays events. i consider them gospel.

you won't mistake a cleaning lady for a 270 lbs. man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34023421


The report is that a "charred body was found" it does not describe the size or mass of the remains.

No details on Housekeeper #2, only says #1 escaped and called the police. Was Dorner in the cabin when #1 escaped? An immediate bullet to #2's head cannot be ruled out.

Just pointing out the holes in the story as of now. What happened to Housekeeper #2?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


Maybe they forgot about her in all the excitement and left her there still tied up.

This thing is turning into a can of worms, isn't it?
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02/13/2013 06:45 PM

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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Court Documented proof Dorner's ID and wallet were found days ago.

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02/13/2013 06:45 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
so dorners reopened case will still be heard?

as the police chief said, ' it's for transparency to the public, not to appease dorner'.
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02/13/2013 06:45 PM

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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Gotta love that his drivers license didnt burn up or completely melt in the fire that was too hot to search for hours.

Its always them IDs, passports ot drivers licenses, that make it.


[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Well his Mom was out drinking wine & eating chips while watching the standoff at a local restaurant. Article sounded like she wasn't that upset.

[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]
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02/13/2013 06:48 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Big Bear Lake had mines. Mines have tunnels. He had the intelligence and plenty of time to study the mines and their tunnels. Some BB Lake mines:

Arctic Canyon Pit
Balanced Rock Mine
Bessemer Mine
Blackhawk Mine
Blue Quartz Mine
Cushenbury Pit
Doble Mine
Gold Hill Mine
Green Rock Mine
Greenlead Mine
Harvey K Mine
Liberty Mine
Marble Canyon Pit
Mohawk Mine
Monte Cristo Mine
Onyx Mine
Rose Mine
Santa Fe Mine
Silver Reef Mine
Texas Rock Quarry
Wright Mine
 Quoting: Nine's


You are kidding right? He's studying underground mines and is hiding in them?

Ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2536940


www.hiphopandpolitics.com this is the suicide note he definately had plans and know how.(if the letter is real) I say if because it was handwritten but according to Dorner he always typed his reports because he had bad handwriting.The to make things really wierd he support gun control in letter right.He's a sailor who couldnt operate a small boat wow let alone untie it?He served in Beharain tunnels everywhere there so he has experience with tunnel engineer maps.In the snip of the radio conversations the lady cop said she spotted a rpg, Dorner wrote down his weapons including class 3 weapons.An rpg would have wiped out a lot of cops; they would of scattered like roaches.Too many discrepencies in the media stories.When his truck broke down why take the time to burn it and leave weapons behind, giving up clues to his whereabouts? I have a lot of questions, I do not think he is alive.I feel he was dead for about a week (bloodstain on cabin walls)he didnt write anything,just all wrong he found evidence and was killed for it
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02/13/2013 06:51 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
opps I missed a few #'s on the address...it's

40700 Seven Oaks Rd
Angelus Oaks, CA 92305
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


Ok, about 13 miles apart, so again where did the ammo come from that was exploding during the fire? He just had a shootout, so you would think he couldn't have that much ammo on him and he possibly had very little left on him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


imho, the ammo that was "exploding" was misfired incendiary rounds that were launched into the cabin at first. By my estimate, they unloaded at least 10 canisters in there and they are known to misfire.As the fire got going, they cooked off.
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02/13/2013 06:59 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Court Documented proof Dorner's ID and wallet were found days ago.

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Peace.
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what exactly does that page prove?
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02/13/2013 07:00 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.
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Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
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02/13/2013 07:01 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Court Documented proof Dorner's ID and wallet were found days ago.

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Peace.
 Quoting: AwakenedDude


what exactly does that page prove?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


That he went shopping for a new wallet in Big Bear and then went to the DMV to get another drivers license.
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02/13/2013 07:02 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.
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Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
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02/13/2013 07:21 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
wait wait wait.

in the very very begining, there were 2 old people,
a man and his wife.
they were tied up, but the wife got away and called 911.
she id'd dorner.
later she was taken "to the retirement home".


it wasn't until hours into the standoff, they
discovered
2 random female maids who were ALSO tied up in a different
cabin.

so there were 4 hostages,
but the "old couple", who were renting the cabin from the park ranger,
have TOTALLY DISAPEARED....

WHERE ARE THEY?
THE WIFE WAS THE ORIGINAL ID'ER!!!!!!
Anonymous Coward
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02/13/2013 07:22 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
Anonymous Coward
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02/13/2013 07:24 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


i heard HER say it herself on ktla
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02/13/2013 07:25 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
these cabins are government owned, so I don't know why it's being reported that Candy Martin owns them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


i just listened to the press conference and they did not mention the male/female old couple hostages. why no mention of them anymore? and who really owns the cabin?
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02/13/2013 07:26 PM
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He didn't escape, he was took out, like the others. And they didn't care that it was obvious, that is what scares me, how bold and blatent it was. Like a public lesson.
 Quoting: CeeLite


One can only hope that 2nd Ammenment patriots will act with as much feerocity, lethality and conviction for their cause as Dornerdid for his. The lesson as I see it will be when they come to take the guns they will show no mercy so .....
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02/13/2013 07:28 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
wait wait wait.

in the very very begining, there were 2 old people,
a man and his wife.
they were tied up, but the wife got away and called 911.
she id'd dorner.
later she was taken "to the retirement home".


it wasn't until hours into the standoff, they
discovered
2 random female maids who were ALSO tied up in a different
cabin.

so there were 4 hostages,
but the "old couple", who were renting the cabin from the park ranger,
have TOTALLY DISAPEARED....

WHERE ARE THEY?
THE WIFE WAS THE ORIGINAL ID'ER!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


yes, someone please answer this. they have listed FOUR hostages.
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02/13/2013 07:31 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
here is what i remember when ktla was talking to owner of the first cabin they showed when this bs started yesterday -Cindy Martin. it was the location that wasn't totally in the woods that later burned - it was the one that had more yard/open space around it and had clear tire tracks in the snow. So this owner Cindy was telling them via phone that the tire tracks were probably from her sisters who had stayed at that cabin over the previous weekend.
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02/13/2013 07:35 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
yet authorities aren't confirming ANY hostages
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Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


i just listened to the press conference and they did not mention the male/female old couple hostages. why no mention of them anymore? and who really owns the cabin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34354234


the government does
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02/13/2013 07:37 PM
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Where is the interview with the hostage that escaped?
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02/13/2013 07:37 PM
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Because she called in to the police and said it was her cabin. I heard the local reporter say it live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34348145


well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


i just listened to the press conference and they did not mention the male/female old couple hostages. why no mention of them anymore? and who really owns the cabin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34354234


right? the couple have diapeared.
and they were the ones who started the WHOLE THING!
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well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


i just listened to the press conference and they did not mention the male/female old couple hostages. why no mention of them anymore? and who really owns the cabin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34354234


the government does
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looking for facts not guesses. link?
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well, I've seen a record that it is government owned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT A MAN NAMED "SILVERMAN"
OWNED THE CABIN AND RENTED IT TO THE "OLD COUPLE"
WHO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPEARED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


i just listened to the press conference and they did not mention the male/female old couple hostages. why no mention of them anymore? and who really owns the cabin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34354234


the government does
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 906056


stop shill.
the govt' DOES NOT OWN THOSE CABINS.
the cabin was 84 years old.
there are no "gov't owned" vacation rentals up there.

Doesn't anyone remeber the "firefighter" who "grew up in the cabin" they set on fire?????
he was the one who told them about the basement and "tunnels"
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
wait...

1. regarding incendiary rounds...r u talking about bullets? I used to fire tracers included in my combat load as an 11B and I never had a "late" tracer so to speak. so what kind of incendiaries? I don't think PD has HE nor Incendiaries in their TOE.

2. can anyone confirm those cabins are government owned?

3. yes, that is a lot of ammo, especially if you consider the government story so far...that he ran into the cabin apparently picked at random. if anyone listens to the radio traffic that had the "burn the mother....." line in it, you'll hear one of the popo's talking about a "RPG" - those warheads are very distinctive and can't be mistaken for anything else.

so the more you look into it the more f'ed up the PD narrative becomes
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02/13/2013 07:42 PM
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ok...cabin ownership cleared...thanks
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
yet authorities aren't confirming ANY hostages
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omg you are kidding me!!!!!!!
it was all about the poor hostages yesterday.
especially "the elderly woman".

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