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The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE

 
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
dude, you have got to be kidding me...they are claiming no hostages?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Well a manhunt like the movie Shooter.

Dorner got setup and wants to clean his name.

If he had seal training, then he aint goingto hide in a cabin whitout escape routes. Seals are trained to adept to every situation.

LAPD is horseshot, like the movie assault on precinct 13. Those corrupt cops need to clean a job, but fail hard. Hope there are enough lose strings, to catch em all.

Another thing to note.

The man Dorner is a big person. If I see those pics.

Well the media agian is trying to blow it out of proportions with the lake, the lake is called "Big bear" right?

Dorner = Big Bear. They try to stigma him.

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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
what is a water transmission line with concrete box?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
dude, you have got to be kidding me...they are claiming no hostages?
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last night the police spokeswoman wasn't confirming any hostages
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
If not, WHERE is the second hostage?????
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Isn't one of them supposed to be in the hospital???
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Maybe I'm stupid but I think he's still alive. He planned this for YEARS.
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Local news said this morning that anyone who has aided Droner through this will pay the consequences and they also said they haven't figured out who will recieve the million dollars.

The million dollars = who told them first where Droner is - the old lady, the maid or the man who owned the truck Droner took?
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Maybe I'm stupid but I think he's still alive. He planned this for YEARS.
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I agree! I wish someone who has a truck would drive out there with me and check this out. I live 1 hour and half from Big Bear
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Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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So the police have killed ANOTHER innocent victim?
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Not surprising. Actually more believable.
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Reminds me of a few movies.

Shooter
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Dorner escaped to thug mansion and is working with Tupac on a game plan...
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
here is transcript of Fish and Game Patrick Foy from last night
[link to abcnews.go.com]

Listening, now, to the man carjacked by the suspect. We're going to turn, now, to lieutenant patrick foy. Lieutenant, your officers were the first to engage the suspect.

They were driving down the street in one direction. He was driving the opposite. And they were able to spot him that quickly?

They did. They were on the alert for the suspect's vehicle. They were paired up with deputies from san bernadino county.

And when the suspect drove by in the two buses -- he had two buses he was using as cover. They drove past him. They recognized the driver of the vehicle.

They recognized the vehicle. They turned around to pursue. But there was a minor delay.

The deputies were actually in the process of trying to deploy some spike strips. Ultimately, by the time they got around the two buses, the suspect had unknowingly made a road. Drove up glass road, whereas our two wardens and deputies continued on forward.

Ultimately, via the radio, they realized they had gone too far. They misse the turn. They let two additional patrol trucks -- three wardens and two patrol trucks know, they turned up glass road and ultimately came into contact with the suspect.

And that's where the first volley of gunfire took place. And how many of your officers were actually involved in this firefight. I think people would be surprised to know that fire and wildlife department authorities are involved in gun fights like this.

Unfortunately, we do get involved. It's been average of about one a year. We've had two in the last two months.

This particular one, obviously, was -- was a bad one, obviously. How was it that dorner was able to escape the officers and get his way into that cabin? Do you know?

What happened was, he was coming back down the road. We were looking for a purple colored nissan. And all of a sudden, this white pickup starts coming by in the opposite direction.

That was not the suspect vehicle we were looking for. The warden who was driving in the front vehicle all by himself, passed the new white pickup, looked and noticed it was the suspect. Ultimately, he had no time to warn his partner, who was coming up right behind him.

And by that time, dorner knew he had been recognized. He rolled down his window and opened fire on the officers that were in the second fish and game truck behind them. Go ahead, lieutenant.

It's all right. Go ahead. Yeah.

We are full police officers in california. Game wardens are police officers, just like everybody else. Ultimately, the officer who was driving that vehicle stopped and pulled out his patrol rifle and engaged probably 15 to 20 shots, as dorner was driving away.

Lieutenant, very quickly. Are you confident that there's nobody else in this area that's been hurt? Have you been able to search other cabins?

It turns out the suspect could have been in the area for nine days hiding. That's a hard one to answer. We're certainly working closely with the san bernadino's sheriff's office.

They've taken the lead on this investigation. They're working on that, going cabin-to-cabin, for quite some time now. That's part of the investigation
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Now on to the WALLET

If I'm not mistaken, California is in compliance with the Real ID Act and so their driver's licenses have RFID chips inside...is that correct?

Would they be able to track the location of the ID with the RFID chip inside? I don't know, but maybe another GLP'er knows...
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Now on to the WALLET

If I'm not mistaken, California is in compliance with the Real ID Act and so their driver's licenses have RFID chips inside...is that correct?

Would they be able to track the location of the ID with the RFID chip inside? I don't know, but maybe another GLP'er knows...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


I could be wrong about this...
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I have been suspecting the very same thing.

I don't think he's dead.

I think he's going to surprise the LA Cops and kill more people and then disappear again.

Just sayin'

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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Now on to the WALLET

If I'm not mistaken, California is in compliance with the Real ID Act and so their driver's licenses have RFID chips inside...is that correct?

Would they be able to track the location of the ID with the RFID chip inside? I don't know, but maybe another GLP'er knows...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


I could be wrong about this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


wrong

[link to www.dmv.ca.gov]

Q: I heard that the REAL ID card will contain an RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chip, is this true?
A: No. The REAL ID card would not include an RFID chip. The RFID chip is part of the Enhanced Driver License (EDL) or Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) program. California does not issue an EDL.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
[link to ktla.com]

a play by play or yesterdays events. i consider them gospel.

you won't mistake a cleaning lady for a 270 lbs. man.
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If that is gospel then please, for the love of God go untie the other cleaning lady, because she is still there like the guy the writers from Grimm left in the basement....

I am assuming it is occurring to malfeasants out there that anyone who kills police from here on out and says "I am Dorner, IS Dorner"

The possibilities for copycat terror are endless. I am glad I will not be in LA this summer.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Who pinned this bullshit?

OP is confusing sequence of events.
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02/13/2013 08:23 PM
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I thought they found Dorner's ID at the dock a week ago when he allegedly tried to boat-jack that old man?
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Who pinned this bullshit?

OP is confusing sequence of events.
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STFU shill. Go back to playing WoW in your mom's basement.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
The most interesting part of today's press conference was how the LAPD said they did not burn down the cabin "intentionally" . How did they know people were suspecting that?
So they have to be monitoring online chatter ...

so they can press conference to cover their asses. right?
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the hostages were from a different house. he was tryign to escape police in a car when he crashed and ran into the house they burnt him alive in.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
ABC news here in Los Angles: (just caught some of it.

Man with a truck that claims 'the cabins' are his (his family's) Said he was shocked to see one burning. Anchor stated the cabins are FEDERALLY PROTECTED, so insurance will cover loss. His truck had writing 911 something (restoration?)

They talked about million dollar reward. A middle aged guy w/ a dog said he was the first to call in and id Dorner.
ONE cleaning woman claims the same.

A clause is in the reward though. Gunman needed to be alive and tried in order for the million dollars to be awarded. So far they are unclear as to who might get the reward... LOL
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will they pay the million? and 2 who...
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what is a water transmission line with concrete box?
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What are you talking about?
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
If not, WHERE is the second hostage?????
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was no hostages.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Now on to the WALLET

If I'm not mistaken, California is in compliance with the Real ID Act and so their driver's licenses have RFID chips inside...is that correct?

Would they be able to track the location of the ID with the RFID chip inside? I don't know, but maybe another GLP'er knows...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807846


The wallet should have burned up in the fire and his plastic driver's license should have melted.
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I thought they found Dorner's ID at the dock a week ago when he allegedly tried to boat-jack that old man?
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Yes, apparently he had two wallets (possibly more).
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Who pinned this bullshit?

OP is confusing sequence of events.
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STFU shill. Go back to playing WoW in your mom's basement.
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This is a convincing rebuttal.
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Re: The story is Dorner had TWO hostages, only ONE escaped, so the charred body is the OTHER HOSTAGE
Doesn't seem likely to me that Dorner had hostages in there because someone would have noticed them missing by now it would seem.

But it could be possible I guess that some homeless person was staying in the basement & evading the week-enders who owned the house by going out that tunnel when they came up. .

I know in my area it has been a common occurrence for the homeless to stay in the many empty houses around. There's been two reported in just the last month due to winter time. They live in the woods & camp grounds in warmer weather.

Just a possibility.

LAPD really wants this body to be Dorner. He's made fools out of them - just one man and they couldn't get him before now. But I'm wondering why they would lie and say the body is his if it isn't because they know Dorner would strike again. Are they planning on blaming future cop killings on someone else even knowing Dorner is still alive?

IDN, what is their advantage to lie about the body id after they do the tests? Anyone have any ideas on that?

I'm guessing if the tests id the body as Dorner's than it will actually be his body.

But who knows. Trying to be logical doesn't seem to work any more. The world has just gone too crazy. Nothing is as it seems any more.

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