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How Do We Keep Military Veterans From Killing Themselves? My Solution: National Veteran Labor Centers

 
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The only way to help our returned soldiers recover from the

trauma of war, is through a social support network of peers

and the culmination of a positive self image. The way to

facilitate all of this, begins with a job. Having a job,

sets the groundwork for happiness, income, and family

stability as a result. If government run factories are

made, that hire only veterans as the workforce, this

environment can be created. The fellow factory workers will

have unorthodox daily routines at work, such as meetings to

discuss their traumas, facilitated by a councelor. They

will have above and beyond the norm, group activities

outside of the workplace, such as weekly company bbqs and

birthday celebrations. This will be more than a job, but

also a place for recovery and ongoing treatment, a place

for belonging. The most critical component will be the

function of the factory, the job itself must be in the vain

of helping society, providing something valuable to the

world, such as food, medicine, or shelter to the poor. All

of these things are needed by veterans as well as society,

we just need to rearange pre-existing facilities and funds

to make things function more logically. the costs will be

easily paid for through the greater gestalt of integrated

therapy and work.


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avoid to send people to kill innocents under great stress and doped by the army?
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avoid to send people to kill innocents under great stress and doped by the army?
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LOL what would Mousalinni say about your theory? screw you and screw your traitor nazi ass licking country
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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Ps the last thing a PTSD sufferer needs is other PTSD sufferers and the sooner people realise that the better.
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Ps the last thing a PTSD sufferer needs is other PTSD sufferers and the sooner people realise that the better.
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that is the opposite of reality, the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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Doyou suffer from it?
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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Doyou suffer from it?
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No I suffer from years of college leaning about it, and its treatment
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Ps the last thing a PTSD sufferer needs is other PTSD sufferers and the sooner people realise that the better.
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that is the opposite of reality, the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE
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I take it you speak from experience. Or are you just a learned person who means well?
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Ps the last thing a PTSD sufferer needs is other PTSD sufferers and the sooner people realise that the better.
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that is the opposite of reality, the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE
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I take it you speak from experience. Or are you just a learned person who means well?
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having people around who understand your suffering, and you might as aresult actually trust enough to open up to? one thing to know about mental disorders, is that you can not have any idea of the pain unless youve experienced it yourself. the one thing that can help are people who are willing to support you, and dont tret you like youre crazy, but treat youy liek apeer and a friend
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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But...you know NOTHING about the military. THAT is clear to me.

Your solution would keep them in a very similar situation to the one that caused the problem. You would keep them locked into a situation where they would be, again, underpaid, demonized, stigmatized, and away from their families. You obviously have NO clue about the military. I suggest you throw away your textbooks and learn something about the real world.
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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But...you know NOTHING about the military. THAT is clear to me.

Your solution would keep them in a very similar situation to the one that caused the problem. You would keep them locked into a situation where they would be, again, underpaid, demonized, stigmatized, and away from their families. You obviously have NO clue about the military. I suggest you throw away your textbooks and learn something about the real world.
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A sense of belonging is the one thing that the army has going for it, they make you part of a family. The trauma part is the war, that is not going to be part of the work environment. and it wouldnt keep them away from their families, anymore than any other job would, and underpaid is a n assumption dragged aout of nowhere

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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
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Doyou suffer from it?
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No I suffer from years of college leaning about it, and its treatment
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Just as I thought. Another well educated pussy trying to tell us our to live our lives. Are you here to save me from myself you good sir? Because you see I suffer from PTSD. Badly, I wont bore you with the details of my experiences it might scare you. What I will tell you thought Is that I was treated by the Dr with antidepressants 150-200 mg of deslefexamine (pristiq) over a period of 2 years and also some mood stabilizers epilim. They did not help. Now they are trying to reintegrate me into the workforce. I dont know what is worse having people telling you what you should do and how you feel every minute of the day or having gone through the traumatic events in the first place. The fact is my friend is that I now refuse to take drugs and I sure as fuck refuse to rejoin this fucking society if I choose to live homeless under a bridge that is my fucking choice at least no one can take this from me. But I can tell you categorically that the last thing I need is a fucking bleeding heart leading me back to society. And the other thing I dont need to associate with other PTSD tard. So excuse me mister college educated fuckwit if I say Go fuck yourself real hard.
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I like how you dipshits who have never served a day have all the answers.
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You clearly have no understanding of PTSD. A job is never going to help them. They need to be given freedom from the system. They are guilt ridden for what they have done eventhough most of them will never come to accept that. And that is just the begining. PTSD will be dif. for each individual. They need support forgiveness and love most of all that has to be delivered in a way that does not offend them.
 Quoting: Ozi dude 34311245


oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


But...you know NOTHING about the military. THAT is clear to me.

Your solution would keep them in a very similar situation to the one that caused the problem. You would keep them locked into a situation where they would be, again, underpaid, demonized, stigmatized, and away from their families. You obviously have NO clue about the military. I suggest you throw away your textbooks and learn something about the real world.
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A sense of belonging is the one thing that the army has going for it, they make you part of a family. The trauma part is the war, that is not going to be part of the work environment. and it wouldnt keep them away from their families, anymore than any other job would, and underpaid is a n assumption dragged aout of nowhere
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May I ask, what experience do you have working with military? Your OP outlines a situation that few, if any, military members would choose to be a part of. These men do not want to be treated like you suggest. They want to move on and make a better place for themselves and their families. All your solution will do is keep them locked in their current state.

BTW, underpaid is not an assumption dragged out of nowhere. It's a fact of life for enlisted military, the very same people you say you want to help. It would be a government program, by your OP, therefore, unpaid/underpaid will be what happens. Fact.
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


Doyou suffer from it?
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No I suffer from years of college leaning about it, and its treatment
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Just as I thought. Another well educated pussy trying to tell us our to live our lives. Are you here to save me from myself you good sir? Because you see I suffer from PTSD. Badly, I wont bore you with the details of my experiences it might scare you. What I will tell you thought Is that I was treated by the Dr with antidepressants 150-200 mg of deslefexamine (pristiq) over a period of 2 years and also some mood stabilizers epilim. They did not help. Now they are trying to reintegrate me into the workforce. I dont know what is worse having people telling you what you should do and how you feel every minute of the day or having gone through the traumatic events in the first place. The fact is my friend is that I now refuse to take drugs and I sure as fuck refuse to rejoin this fucking society if I choose to live homeless under a bridge that is my fucking choice at least no one can take this from me. But I can tell you categorically that the last thing I need is a fucking bleeding heart leading me back to society. And the other thing I dont need to associate with other PTSD tard. So excuse me mister college educated fuckwit if I say Go fuck yourself real hard.
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It sounds to me like youre in pain. I have major depressive disorder with anxiety, ive been hospitolised for it. I also have a degree in psychology, im not ignorant to your suffering or a pussy. Ive had three different antidepressants, the first two i took for almost a year each, they made me a fuckign zombie, effed me over so bad. With all of my knowledge and experience I turned my back on treatment too, until it got so bad i was hospitolized. I tried again, a different one, and I 'responded' to it, jsut now getting back on my feet. recovery is a difficult process, but you have to keep trying, you cant turn your back, it's the same as giving up and laying down. having a mental disorder means you have to try that much harder at life than others. If the treatment failed, find a new doctor, find a new option, all antidepressants are different, they effect your brain totally different. Once you start feeling better, the one thing that will speed your recovery, aside from stop being in denial, is socail interaction. and if you find other people who understand what youre going through, you can relax around them as that you wont feel judged, but just be with a friend. never give up hope
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oh ok, so being HOMELESS and JOBLESS with PTSD is a wonderful solution, I know infinitely more about psychology then you, that is clear
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


But...you know NOTHING about the military. THAT is clear to me.

Your solution would keep them in a very similar situation to the one that caused the problem. You would keep them locked into a situation where they would be, again, underpaid, demonized, stigmatized, and away from their families. You obviously have NO clue about the military. I suggest you throw away your textbooks and learn something about the real world.
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A sense of belonging is the one thing that the army has going for it, they make you part of a family. The trauma part is the war, that is not going to be part of the work environment. and it wouldnt keep them away from their families, anymore than any other job would, and underpaid is a n assumption dragged aout of nowhere
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


May I ask, what experience do you have working with military? Your OP outlines a situation that few, if any, military members would choose to be a part of. These men do not want to be treated like you suggest. They want to move on and make a better place for themselves and their families. All your solution will do is keep them locked in their current state.

BTW, underpaid is not an assumption dragged out of nowhere. It's a fact of life for enlisted military, the very same people you say you want to help. It would be a government program, by your OP, therefore, unpaid/underpaid will be what happens. Fact.
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I have no experience working with military, but I know that the ones who are suffering greatly, have an inability to integrate normally into society, which is why there are so many homeless vets. What im suggesting is a place where they can find acceptance, and not feel like crazy people, and by being given that opportunity, they can recover and actually not be though of by anyone as crazy. If they work somewhere that specializes in employees with their handicap, they wont get fired and forever fall away into the abyss. it's a support network, and everything about it would be voluntary, you dont have to go to picinics or therapy, but you have people around who understand you that you can fall back on as friends
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But...you know NOTHING about the military. THAT is clear to me.

Your solution would keep them in a very similar situation to the one that caused the problem. You would keep them locked into a situation where they would be, again, underpaid, demonized, stigmatized, and away from their families. You obviously have NO clue about the military. I suggest you throw away your textbooks and learn something about the real world.
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A sense of belonging is the one thing that the army has going for it, they make you part of a family. The trauma part is the war, that is not going to be part of the work environment. and it wouldnt keep them away from their families, anymore than any other job would, and underpaid is a n assumption dragged aout of nowhere
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


May I ask, what experience do you have working with military? Your OP outlines a situation that few, if any, military members would choose to be a part of. These men do not want to be treated like you suggest. They want to move on and make a better place for themselves and their families. All your solution will do is keep them locked in their current state.

BTW, underpaid is not an assumption dragged out of nowhere. It's a fact of life for enlisted military, the very same people you say you want to help. It would be a government program, by your OP, therefore, unpaid/underpaid will be what happens. Fact.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


I have no experience working with military, but I know that the ones who are suffering greatly, have an inability to integrate normally into society, which is why there are so many homeless vets. What im suggesting is a place where they can find acceptance, and not feel like crazy people, and by being given that opportunity, they can recover and actually not be though of by anyone as crazy. If they work somewhere that specializes in employees with their handicap, they wont get fired and forever fall away into the abyss. it's a support network, and everything about it would be voluntary, you dont have to go to picinics or therapy, but you have people around who understand you that you can fall back on as friends
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That's what you don't understand. They have networks already. Networks they've created on their own, made up of others that have been where they've been. They don't need or want this kind of help. They are strong people, mentally and physically. PTSD is being used to demonize the military. True, there are members that suffer from it, but they will not appreciate your solution. It sounds too much like a re-education camp. When you've spent your adult life standing against that kind of thinking, you will not go into it willingly. Some will never find their way back, that's always been true, but most will. If you really want to help the vets, you need to start by getting to know them...VERY well. You need to learn who they really are and why they do what they do. I think you'll be the one that's re-educated, they aren't what you've been told.
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Thanks for the thought but the shoe does not fit everyone. The way I deal with mine is through acceptance. I dont drink dont take drugs, I ride my bike and look after my three girls (their mother left me after 17 years). I dont need to be around people in fact it is the last thing I need. I do good things for the few in my circle and I dont take money for it I do it for love and respect. I dont need a job its the last thing I need. I need peace of mind. My contact with the world I can get here.
God bless you OP sorry if I got you wrong. You may be what some people need.
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Thanks for the thought but the shoe does not fit everyone. The way I deal with mine is through acceptance. I dont drink dont take drugs, I ride my bike and look after my three girls (their mother left me after 17 years). I dont need to be around people in fact it is the last thing I need. I do good things for the few in my circle and I dont take money for it I do it for love and respect. I dont need a job its the last thing I need. I need peace of mind. My contact with the world I can get here.
God bless you OP sorry if I got you wrong. You may be what some people need.
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thankyou. Yes I realize there is much about the subject i'm ignorant to. There must be some sort of solution though. the current one is abandoning the people we depend on to defend our country, must be a way to provide what's needed.
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A sense of belonging is the one thing that the army has going for it, they make you part of a family. The trauma part is the war, that is not going to be part of the work environment. and it wouldnt keep them away from their families, anymore than any other job would, and underpaid is a n assumption dragged aout of nowhere
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


May I ask, what experience do you have working with military? Your OP outlines a situation that few, if any, military members would choose to be a part of. These men do not want to be treated like you suggest. They want to move on and make a better place for themselves and their families. All your solution will do is keep them locked in their current state.

BTW, underpaid is not an assumption dragged out of nowhere. It's a fact of life for enlisted military, the very same people you say you want to help. It would be a government program, by your OP, therefore, unpaid/underpaid will be what happens. Fact.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


I have no experience working with military, but I know that the ones who are suffering greatly, have an inability to integrate normally into society, which is why there are so many homeless vets. What im suggesting is a place where they can find acceptance, and not feel like crazy people, and by being given that opportunity, they can recover and actually not be though of by anyone as crazy. If they work somewhere that specializes in employees with their handicap, they wont get fired and forever fall away into the abyss. it's a support network, and everything about it would be voluntary, you dont have to go to picinics or therapy, but you have people around who understand you that you can fall back on as friends
 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science


That's what you don't understand. They have networks already. Networks they've created on their own, made up of others that have been where they've been. They don't need or want this kind of help. They are strong people, mentally and physically. PTSD is being used to demonize the military. True, there are members that suffer from it, but they will not appreciate your solution. It sounds too much like a re-education camp. When you've spent your adult life standing against that kind of thinking, you will not go into it willingly. Some will never find their way back, that's always been true, but most will. If you really want to help the vets, you need to start by getting to know them...VERY well. You need to learn who they really are and why they do what they do. I think you'll be the one that's re-educated, they aren't what you've been told.
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I'm sure you are right. But i am sure that the support of peers who are going through the same thing is what has been shown to be effective. having people who understand your suffering is very important, it stops you from being isolated
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geez-is cut Opie some slack.
S/he has a reasonable idea.
Our fighting MEN came came home from WWII similarly traumatized but we were the victors then so in addition to the strokes from being winners and (perhaps even more importantly) BELIEVEING in the basic goodness or righteousness of that win (I mean like wheres the self esteem from basically being mercs for corporate greedheads and the oil indistry?), they also came home to female companionship and instant families (where do you think those cursed boomers came from?), a GI Bill to get them readay for "living-wage" paying JOBS (manufacturing, construction, beginning data/symbolic analysts and the burdgeoning professional class).
Yes they paid a big price (as do all fighting men and now women) and they were rewarded or at least eased back into a functioning society.

we and they have none of that now.

read abiout bin laden's shooter here:

[link to www.esquire.com]

so at least opie is thinking about the problem and a way to provide the greatest amount of good to the largest number of cohorts within the returning vet population.

I think his idea is a sound one because what the vets are really returning to is sitting around with nothing to do but try to piece together ruined or, at a minimum, interrupted lives and marriages without their former daily adrenaline high and no support (without a bunch of paperwork and persistence) for processing their trauma and emotions, no thanks or jobs from their former indirect employers (I'm looking at you oil industry and KBR and Halliburton et al), no benefits (without a fight and again a mountain of paperwork that seems designed to deny you benefits rather than grant access to them) and nothing but unpaid BILLS, BILLS, BILLS, and MORE BILLS!

Did you see that other thread about hourly veteran suicides?

Thread: Every 65 Minutes Another Veteran Commits Suicide. What's Wrong With This Picture?

BTW This very issue may also have to do with the push for gun control - after all what do most troops bring home from deployment - weapons. Obama's taking about bringing home more vets so, yeah with the issues dicussed above that's going to work out well...

Hopefully they will organize as they have done before (google "bonus army" or 1933's smaller "bonus march" in the wake of WWI) and march on Washington to demand not just change (hope and chains anyone), not just a new deal but a WHOLE NEW DECK cause the current one's screwed blued tattooed stacked and marked and we are all the suckers until such time as we recognize how broken the system is and then, if we do nothing more than complain here we transform from suckers to being complicit in our own exploitation. Complaint without action is tacit agreement to continued abuse.
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Doyou suffer from it?
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No I suffer from years of college leaning about it, and its treatment









AAAAHHHHHH! Things just became very very clear!

Get in the ditch before you decide what people need! If you don't know what the ditch is and haven't lived it you shouldn't be commenting about PTSD!
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geez-is cut Opie some slack.
S/he has a reasonable idea.
Our fighting MEN came came home from WWII similarly traumatized but we were the victors then so in addition to the strokes from being winners and (perhaps even more importantly) BELIEVEING in the basic goodness or righteousness of that win (I mean like wheres the self esteem from basically being mercs for corporate greedheads and the oil indistry?), they also came home to female companionship and instant families (where do you think those cursed boomers came from?), a GI Bill to get them readay for "living-wage" paying JOBS (manufacturing, construction, beginning data/symbolic analysts and the burdgeoning professional class).
Yes they paid a big price (as do all fighting men and now women) and they were rewarded or at least eased back into a functioning society.

we and they have none of that now.

read abiout bin laden's shooter here:

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so at least opie is thinking about the problem and a way to provide the greatest amount of good to the largest number of cohorts within the returning vet population.

I think his idea is a sound one because what the vets are really returning to is sitting around with nothing to do but try to piece together ruined or, at a minimum, interrupted lives and marriages without their former daily adrenaline high and no support (without a bunch of paperwork and persistence) for processing their trauma and emotions, no thanks or jobs from their former indirect employers (I'm looking at you oil industry and KBR and Halliburton et al), no benefits (without a fight and again a mountain of paperwork that seems designed to deny you benefits rather than grant access to them) and nothing but unpaid BILLS, BILLS, BILLS, and MORE BILLS!

Did you see that other thread about hourly veteran suicides?

Thread: Every 65 Minutes Another Veteran Commits Suicide. What's Wrong With This Picture?

BTW This very issue may also have to do with the push for gun control - after all what do most troops bring home from deployment - weapons. Obama's taking about bringing home more vets so, yeah with the issues dicussed above that's going to work out well...

Hopefully they will organize as they have done before (google "bonus army" or 1933's smaller "bonus march" in the wake of WWI) and march on Washington to demand not just change (hope and chains anyone), not just a new deal but a WHOLE NEW DECK cause the current one's screwed blued tattooed stacked and marked and we are all the suckers until such time as we recognize how broken the system is and then, if we do nothing more than complain here we transform from suckers to being complicit in our own exploitation. Complaint without action is tacit agreement to continued abuse.
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thankyou
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Doyou suffer from it?
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No I suffer from years of college leaning about it, and its treatment
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AAAAHHHHHH! Things just became very very clear!

Get in the ditch before you decide what people need! If you don't know what the ditch is and haven't lived it you shouldn't be commenting about PTSD!





I remember in class once, we were discussing whether someone suffering from a disorder was the most qualified to treat it. One example was an anger management concellor, who himself had anger issues. He was giving a talk to the group, someone commented at him, and he walked into the audience and beat the guy to death with his bare hands.

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thankyou
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sorry for the misspelling - didn't proof it before posting.
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:lulz:

I like how you dipshits who have never served a day have all the answers.
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^this. the OP and the first few posters don't have what it takes to wear the uniform.
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OP, I believe your heart is in the right place. I truly do. It's just impossible to explain the mindset of the military here. I know what I know because I carried a brown ID card for 30 years and I carry the retired version today. Military families are like no family you've ever met. The things we deal with, no civilian family has ever had to. That's one clue for you. We deal with it all, so others might not have to. We deal with it all, so that, hopefully, our children won't have to when they're grown. Maybe it's a fool's errand, but we hope.

You're right, there should be a solution, but we know how the government treats us. It's not the answer. If you really want to help, get to know some of us. Don't judge, listen with your ears and your heart. It'll take some time and effort, but I promise you, it's worth it.
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OP, I believe your heart is in the right place. I truly do. It's just impossible to explain the mindset of the military here. I know what I know because I carried a brown ID card for 30 years and I carry the retired version today. Military families are like no family you've ever met. The things we deal with, no civilian family has ever had to. That's one clue for you. We deal with it all, so others might not have to. We deal with it all, so that, hopefully, our children won't have to when they're grown. Maybe it's a fool's errand, but we hope.

You're right, there should be a solution, but we know how the government treats us. It's not the answer. If you really want to help, get to know some of us. Don't judge, listen with your ears and your heart. It'll take some time and effort, but I promise you, it's worth it.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


well maybe then it should be run by a panel of military veterans, in some democratic way, but paid for by the gov. whatever the solution is. thankyou for your insights though
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The only way to help our returned soldiers recover from the

trauma of war, is through a social support network of peers

and the culmination of a positive self image. The way to

facilitate all of this, begins with a job. Having a job,

sets the groundwork for happiness, income, and family

stability as a result. If government run factories are

made, that hire only veterans as the workforce, this

environment can be created. The fellow factory workers will

have unorthodox daily routines at work, such as meetings to

discuss their traumas, facilitated by a councelor. They

will have above and beyond the norm, group activities

outside of the workplace, such as weekly company bbqs and

birthday celebrations. This will be more than a job, but

also a place for recovery and ongoing treatment, a place

for belonging. The most critical component will be the

function of the factory, the job itself must be in the vain

of helping society, providing something valuable to the

world, such as food, medicine, or shelter to the poor. All

of these things are needed by veterans as well as society,

we just need to rearange pre-existing facilities and funds

to make things function more logically. the costs will be

easily paid for through the greater gestalt of integrated

therapy and work.

 Quoting: Samuel Bachelor Of Science



Amazing thoughts, Comrade!! We can make our own workers paradise starting with the cannon fodder.

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