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Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!

 
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Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income.

Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%.

Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even!

Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10.

You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work.

You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves.
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Where are all of these jobs you want people to get?
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People struggled to pay the rent when minimum wage was $1.25. They struggled to pay the rent when it was $2.25. They struggled to pay the rent when it was $3.25. When it was $4.25. Etc., Etc. and today....people on minimum wage struggle to pay the rent.

It will be the same if minimum wage is $400 an hour.

The only thing it does is let them steal your savings through inflation.

But certain idiots clap and applaud every single time as if they had just gotten Christmas!!!

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lol

that means more people will have to be fired

brilliant!
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Good if they can't pay fair wages they deserve to be out of business..
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Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income.

Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%.

Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even!

Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10.

You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work.

You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves.
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no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs
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I never claimed a person stayed on forever. Most are young - under 25 - and will get off eventually. They still deserve to have a wage which is worthwhile and pays the bills, right? Kids are saving for college, moms want part-time jobs, old people want to supplement their SS, poor people want to get off entitlements. We need to pay them a living wage.
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lol

that means more people will have to be fired

brilliant!
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Good if they can't pay fair wages they deserve to be out of business..
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See that won't happen. And if they don't let some people go to balance the profit margin they will compensate instead.

This will happen by reducing current employee hours to between 15-25 a week. Then they will hire part time employees to fill in the coverage gap, but only as many as they absolutely need. By doing this each employee will have a higher wage, but take in less with working less hours in a higher tax bracket. To top it off they will lose their benefits that they have.

Essentially government titty sucking will become more rampant and they will have control over a large percentage of the food, health, housing, and utility needs of the lower to middle class.

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Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10.

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Unless you are the employer, it is none of your business who "deserves" what. You don't know, you are morally obliged to butt out, and you should shut up and worry about your own life.
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Correct. Plus, still no one can tell me why not make it 20, 30, or 40 dollars an hour.
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A loaf of bread will probably be $9.00 by the time it goes into effect.
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Re: Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!
Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income.

Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%.

Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even!

Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10.

You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work.

You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves.
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no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs
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I never claimed a person stayed on forever. Most are young - under 25 - and will get off eventually. They still deserve to have a wage which is worthwhile and pays the bills, right? Kids are saving for college, moms want part-time jobs, old people want to supplement their SS, poor people want to get off entitlements. We need to pay them a living wage.
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"deserve" who are you to decide?
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Raising the minimum wage is a guaranteed job killer. If Obama was serious about creating jobs he would've lowered the minimum wage to something like $3/hour. At that rate I'd hire more people but at $9 I have to cut some. Not to worry, a $20 software package will fill the void in no time.
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Who would work for $3/hour?
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Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4.
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You get paid more...and get demoted to part time...gonna be a fair trade right?

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How about a MAXIMUM wage?
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start with celebrities and athletes

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clappa
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Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys.

You won't do it!
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go obama go
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It will not make a difference if taxes continue to climb.
In reality after taxes those 9 dollars become 4.50 an hour take home.
About 50 percent.

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Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4.
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Exactly. Plus the first thing a small business does is lay one off in able to still make a profit. I have seen it.
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Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4.
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wait til the bottled water the wanna be elite buy goes to 5 dollars. soda wont cut it
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A loaf of bread will probably be $9.00 by the time it goes into effect.
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A gallon of milk averages $5.00 in some places, usually around $3.50.
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You get paid more...and get demoted to part time...gonna be a fair trade right?

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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4.
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the true fact is there should be no mim wage period ,why does someone have to pay a door greeter the same wage ,you would a check out cashier ,are stocker
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How about a MAXIMUM wage?
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start with celebrities and athletes

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clappa
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Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys.

You won't do it!
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Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro?
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wow

ITT: we do not understand inflation

economies are complex and if you mess with one part of it, there are changes in the others
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start with celebrities and athletes

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clappa
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Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys.

You won't do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33732417


Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro?
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Collectivism and Stateism. Us vs. Them. Circus and bread for the peasants = Sports and the Media circus.

Once we get past this degenerate frame of thought and look at other people as individuals the system will fall.

People need to find their own identities instead of claiming identity through a team, city, state or country.
We are individual human beings before labels and citizens.

Think about it.
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Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place.
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clappa
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Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys.

You won't do it!
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Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro?
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Collectivism and Stateism. Us vs. Them. Circus and bread for the peasants = Sports and the Media circus.

Once we get past this degenerate frame of thought and look at other people as individuals the system will fall.

People need to find their own identities instead of claiming identity through a team, city, state or country.
We are individual human beings before labels and citizens.

Think about it.

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I don't need to "think about it" thanks tho
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lol what is the current US minimum wage..?
$9 a hour is what we pay our 16 year old's.

If its such a bad thing then why not lower the minimum..?

When was the last time a pay level has been put up, and what roll on effect did it have.

Will business owners fleece and use this as a means to justify a price hike and to sack individuals..?
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Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place.
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stop making sense!
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Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place.
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stop making sense!
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Now, now, you know in the progressive world, all business owners are Scrooge McDucks with big vaults of money. And every day they go home and roll around in it and masturbate like monkeys while laughing evilly about how they have screwed their workers!!!
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no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs
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Except, you know, Obamaphonies.
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right, the perpetually dependent. they are in this scenario of being forever controlled by the gov't. it's so sad, but it's nothing we can fight against because they choose it
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We can stop paying for them to breed.

Shrug.
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how. if you cut them off you're am evil selfish bastard who hates children. how do you fight this?
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Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4.
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the true fact is there should be no mim wage period ,why does someone have to pay a door greeter the same wage ,you would a check out cashier ,are stocker
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Thinking about it now, that is true. There should be no minimum wage.

Let the employer decide who is worth what. It doesn't mean the person has to work for them. An employer could start someone out at 7 bucks and hour and if they don't like them they can get rid of them without much cost to the employer. But if they do like them they could give them a raise to 9, 10, 11 etc bucks if they wanted to keep the person.

Nine dollars an hour will just mean that a teen or someone with no experience will not be getting a job at all. Or there will be no raises unless the person is stellar. Or one person will now be doing the work of two or more. It is a bad deal which will cause more unemployment and raise prices.
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If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea.

Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services.
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