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Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!

 
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Here is the big idea.

A minimum wage based on the skill set of each job.

Thus...

food server/store personnel/etc.. min $8 an hour
office job ... min 9.50 an hour
dock workers... min 11.50 hr
general labor... min 11.50 hr
skilled workers ... 16 min
skilled worker = anything with a issued license to do a trade skill.
truck drivers = min 23 an hr
auto workers = min 32.50 hr
rail road workers = min 28.50 hr
politicians = exempt from min wage law
police ,fire,ems,teachers, state employees = min 30 an hr

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Once again the middle class gets crapped on. Obviously the rich owners arent going to pick this bill up, they will cut hours, hire less people, and raise prices on goods and services. I can't blame most of them its their business they want paid. The easiest way to cut cost is cutting labor, its a simple idea and requires little effort on the part of owners. Unfortunetly workers will be expected to do double and triple the amount they should be doing and probably not see a penny raise for their efforts. Who will pick up the tab on this increase? Simple the middle class once again. We will be forced to buy goods at a higher price and that will take money out of our pockets that we cant afford to lose. I work my butt off and I'm an getting nowhere. The rebublicans are for the rich, the democrats are for the poor (and rich also), but nobody is for the middle class. The day the middle class dies is the day america dies, and I fear that day is fast approaching.
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You've never owned a business or managed one. I can tell because you think higher wages mean employers will cut hours. What you need to consider is that the business needs the number of labor hours it needs. If the price of labor goes up costs will be cut elsewhere but not from labor hours.

Think. Joe owns an oil change franchise. He does good busess. He's got lines three cars deep at every grease pit ot. He pays his monkeys minimum. Minimum goes up. If he thinks he's got to fire one man his customers are five deep, honking and swearing and driving to the competition.

The competitor who didn't cut his employees hours can't buy a new espresso machine this quarter but he doesn't go under either unless he's been running on no profit at all and has no savings either. That's either a very new business or a bad businessman.

There are more customers too because poor single working moms who hate to break their nails can afford to buy an oil change since their wages are higher.
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It's about time it is raised. It's been a long time coming.
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Re: Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!
Here is the big idea.

A minimum wage based on the skill set of each job.

Thus...

food server .. min $8 an hour
office job ... min 9.50 an hour
dock workers... min 11.50 hr
general labor... min 11.50 hr
skilled workers ... 16 min
skilled worker = anything with a issued license to do a trade skill.
truck drivers = min 23 an hr
auto workers = min 32.50 hr
rail road workers = min 28.50 hr
politicians = exempt from min wage law
police ,fire,ems,teachers, state employees = min 30 an hr
 Quoting: ~IS~


Let Moscow centrally plan it.

Seriously...if there are not enough truck drivers they will raise the pay....if there are too many they will lower it. That is how markets work and how they remain EFFICIENT at allocating resources. That mechanism is why we don't end up waiting in long lines for toilet paper.
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Re: Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!
Once again the middle class gets crapped on. Obviously the rich owners arent going to pick this bill up, they will cut hours, hire less people, and raise prices on goods and services. I can't blame most of them its their business they want paid. The easiest way to cut cost is cutting labor, its a simple idea and requires little effort on the part of owners. Unfortunetly workers will be expected to do double and triple the amount they should be doing and probably not see a penny raise for their efforts. Who will pick up the tab on this increase? Simple the middle class once again. We will be forced to buy goods at a higher price and that will take money out of our pockets that we cant afford to lose. I work my butt off and I'm an getting nowhere. The rebublicans are for the rich, the democrats are for the poor (and rich also), but nobody is for the middle class. The day the middle class dies is the day america dies, and I fear that day is fast approaching.
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You've never owned a business or managed one. I can tell because you think higher wages mean employers will cut hours. What you need to consider is that the business needs the number of labor hours it needs. If the price of labor goes up costs will be cut elsewhere but not from labor hours.

Think. Joe owns an oil change franchise. He does good busess. He's got lines three cars deep at every grease pit ot. He pays his monkeys minimum. Minimum goes up. If he thinks he's got to fire one man his customers are five deep, honking and swearing and driving to the competition.

The competitor who didn't cut his employees hours can't buy a new espresso machine this quarter but he doesn't go under either unless he's been running on no profit at all and has no savings either. That's either a very new business or a bad businessman.

There are more customers too because poor single working moms who hate to break their nails can afford to buy an oil change since their wages are higher.
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clappa This is what I've been trying to explain to these imbeciles.
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Re: Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!
Wont meant a thing other than less profit for CEOs... they might pass it to us or simply persist for more automation and robotics. They have a robotic system now that can cook and assemble hamburgers with all the fixings. I dont agree to this cause people need work, But its what might happen
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I had a dicussion about something similar with a freind recently. Looking at the past as a example. The only reason slaves were freed was because they were no longer needed. Machines, cars, better farming made slaves obsolete. Workers were needed to man the farms, factories, etc. Now machines are replacing the workers in these jobs and people could start being phased out. You are seeing the start of this with the extinction of the middle class. Soon it will be rich and poor. Basically all the poor could be almost considered slaves. They will be giving food, water, goods based on how they serve the elite. Wars and fighting will continue. Meanwhile the elite will enjoy the life of luxury. They will have printers that will be able to print any food they want, robots to serve them, humans to entertain them, and if they want to spend a weekend in space there will be a nice place on the moon, or mars if it suits them.
Well anyways that what we talked about. Not sure how true it could turn out to be, but if history repeats itself we could be like the freed slaves that years later were put on welfare to keep them mind controlled. Only we wont be free, but we will be on welfare.
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Re: Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea!
Here is the big idea.

A minimum wage based on the skill set of each job.

Thus...

food server .. min $8 an hour
office job ... min 9.50 an hour
dock workers... min 11.50 hr
general labor... min 11.50 hr
skilled workers ... 16 min
skilled worker = anything with a issued license to do a trade skill.
truck drivers = min 23 an hr
auto workers = min 32.50 hr
rail road workers = min 28.50 hr
politicians = exempt from min wage law
police ,fire,ems,teachers, state employees = min 30 an hr
 Quoting: ~IS~


Let Moscow centrally plan it.

Seriously...if there are not enough truck drivers they will raise the pay....if there are too many they will lower it. That is how markets work and how they remain EFFICIENT at allocating resources. That mechanism is why we don't end up waiting in long lines for toilet paper.
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I guess it needs to be harder to get a drivers license then.

Trust me you don't have enough, federal mandates are getting harder everyday.

People arent willing to drive all over the country , never be home, or deal with all the bs company's want.

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Biden's response: "This is a big fucking deal!"
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VERY BAD IDEA
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Once again the middle class gets crapped on. Obviously the rich owners arent going to pick this bill up, they will cut hours, hire less people, and raise prices on goods and services. I can't blame most of them its their business they want paid. The easiest way to cut cost is cutting labor, its a simple idea and requires little effort on the part of owners. Unfortunetly workers will be expected to do double and triple the amount they should be doing and probably not see a penny raise for their efforts. Who will pick up the tab on this increase? Simple the middle class once again. We will be forced to buy goods at a higher price and that will take money out of our pockets that we cant afford to lose. I work my butt off and I'm an getting nowhere. The rebublicans are for the rich, the democrats are for the poor (and rich also), but nobody is for the middle class. The day the middle class dies is the day america dies, and I fear that day is fast approaching.
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You've never owned a business or managed one. I can tell because you think higher wages mean employers will cut hours. What you need to consider is that the business needs the number of labor hours it needs. If the price of labor goes up costs will be cut elsewhere but not from labor hours.

Think. Joe owns an oil change franchise. He does good busess. He's got lines three cars deep at every grease pit ot. He pays his monkeys minimum. Minimum goes up. If he thinks he's got to fire one man his customers are five deep, honking and swearing and driving to the competition.

The competitor who didn't cut his employees hours can't buy a new espresso machine this quarter but he doesn't go under either unless he's been running on no profit at all and has no savings either. That's either a very new business or a bad businessman.

There are more customers too because poor single working moms who hate to break their nails can afford to buy an oil change since their wages are higher.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1648847


I do manage one, although I don't own it. I know what goes on in the closed door meetings and cutting labor is far to often the answer. I seen what happened with obamacare. Its was easy to avoid just cut employees to less that 25 hours and ask more from them. The same will happen when the minimum wage goes up. Part time employees will be even more part time and full timers will be asked to pick up the slack. That is how it works, well unless you work for an oil company then money is no object. Money dont grow in trees, but it is buried under ground as they say.
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Once again the middle class gets crapped on. Obviously the rich owners arent going to pick this bill up, they will cut hours, hire less people, and raise prices on goods and services. I can't blame most of them its their business they want paid. The easiest way to cut cost is cutting labor, its a simple idea and requires little effort on the part of owners. Unfortunetly workers will be expected to do double and triple the amount they should be doing and probably not see a penny raise for their efforts. Who will pick up the tab on this increase? Simple the middle class once again. We will be forced to buy goods at a higher price and that will take money out of our pockets that we cant afford to lose. I work my butt off and I'm an getting nowhere. The rebublicans are for the rich, the democrats are for the poor (and rich also), but nobody is for the middle class. The day the middle class dies is the day america dies, and I fear that day is fast approaching.
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You've never owned a business or managed one. I can tell because you think higher wages mean employers will cut hours. What you need to consider is that the business needs the number of labor hours it needs. If the price of labor goes up costs will be cut elsewhere but not from labor hours.

Think. Joe owns an oil change franchise. He does good busess. He's got lines three cars deep at every grease pit ot. He pays his monkeys minimum. Minimum goes up. If he thinks he's got to fire one man his customers are five deep, honking and swearing and driving to the competition.

The competitor who didn't cut his employees hours can't buy a new espresso machine this quarter but he doesn't go under either unless he's been running on no profit at all and has no savings either. That's either a very new business or a bad businessman.

There are more customers too because poor single working moms who hate to break their nails can afford to buy an oil change since their wages are higher.
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clappa
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The resident should not have the power to do that.

Per the treasonous United States Constitution, all matters not entailed, and no power not specially given by it to the Federal Government of the United States, shall be relegated to the States as Individuals.
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lol

that means more people will have to be fired

brilliant!
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You can count on it.

Its good to see I'm not the only person with my Christmas tree still up.
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Once again the middle class gets crapped on. Obviously the rich owners arent going to pick this bill up, they will cut hours, hire less people, and raise prices on goods and services. I can't blame most of them its their business they want paid. The easiest way to cut cost is cutting labor, its a simple idea and requires little effort on the part of owners. Unfortunetly workers will be expected to do double and triple the amount they should be doing and probably not see a penny raise for their efforts. Who will pick up the tab on this increase? Simple the middle class once again. We will be forced to buy goods at a higher price and that will take money out of our pockets that we cant afford to lose. I work my butt off and I'm an getting nowhere. The rebublicans are for the rich, the democrats are for the poor (and rich also), but nobody is for the middle class. The day the middle class dies is the day america dies, and I fear that day is fast approaching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34059504


You've never owned a business or managed one. I can tell because you think higher wages mean employers will cut hours. What you need to consider is that the business needs the number of labor hours it needs. If the price of labor goes up costs will be cut elsewhere but not from labor hours.

Think. Joe owns an oil change franchise. He does good busess. He's got lines three cars deep at every grease pit ot. He pays his monkeys minimum. Minimum goes up. If he thinks he's got to fire one man his customers are five deep, honking and swearing and driving to the competition.

The competitor who didn't cut his employees hours can't buy a new espresso machine this quarter but he doesn't go under either unless he's been running on no profit at all and has no savings either. That's either a very new business or a bad businessman.

There are more customers too because poor single working moms who hate to break their nails can afford to buy an oil change since their wages are higher.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1648847


I do manage one, although I don't own it. I know what goes on in the closed door meetings and cutting labor is far to often the answer. I seen what happened with obamacare. Its was easy to avoid just cut employees to less that 25 hours and ask more from them. The same will happen when the minimum wage goes up. Part time employees will be even more part time and full timers will be asked to pick up the slack. That is how it works, well unless you work for an oil company then money is no object. Money dont grow in trees, but it is buried under ground as they say.
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Also remember the last thing businesses want to do is raise prices above competitors. Think of your oil change example. Company A raises prices and keep all employees hours the same, while company B keeps prices low and cuts hours all the while pushing the employees to change the oil faster and faster. Yes it may be faster at company A, but company B is cheaper and we find in the world of consumers the cheaper one will always win out. Prices will rise over time its inevitable, and the natural flow of goods. However business always attempt to have lower prices than competitors and that limits how they make that money back. You can always push employees harder and faster, and keep prices down and customers flowing.
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Man Obama is just so stupid it is crazy. Must have been a drug dealer before congress, because he couldn't have possibly paid bills on a real salary. May God Strike his dumb ass with lightening.
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It means cost of living is about to go up a whole bunch, but the drooling masses will still be thanking him.
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It's going to keep going up anyway so why not increase the wage?
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AUSTRALIA MINIMUM WAGE.

For junior employees, the minimum rates are:

Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.

For apprentices, the rates are:

Year 1 of apprenticeship $10.22
Year 2 of apprenticeship $12.08
Year 3 of apprenticeship $14.87
Year 4 of apprenticeship $17.65.





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We should follow Australia's example here in the U.S.

I wonder if we lower the minimum wage to $2.00, will the cost of living come down with it? I bet not.
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You must be aware of some really fucking hideous employer.

Who is it? Who is this beast who forces his employees to work at gunpoint for slave wages the employees don't agree to?
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I can only imagine how hideous mine would be without a union.
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Well doesn't that just figure.

A fucking union parasite on top of every other disease you carry.
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Your corporate masters shove it down a little too far today?
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AUSTRALIA MINIMUM WAGE.

For junior employees, the minimum rates are:

Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.

For apprentices, the rates are:

Year 1 of apprenticeship $10.22
Year 2 of apprenticeship $12.08
Year 3 of apprenticeship $14.87
Year 4 of apprenticeship $17.65.





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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32851975


We should follow Australia's example here in the U.S.

I wonder if we lower the minimum wage to $2.00, will the cost of living come down with it? I bet not.
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A gallon of milk where I live is 1.99. How much is it in Australia? I'm betting alot higher would love to know. Someone post please.
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We WILL boycott any business that bitches (even once) about this wage increase!

They will pay for their GREED.

We have done it before and we will do it again!
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We WILL boycott any business that bitches (even once) about this wage increase!

They will pay for their GREED.

We have done it before and we will do it again!
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lol
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And how in the FUCK are you going to pay for the mandated obamacare, which will cost about $20,000 a year???
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We WILL boycott any business that bitches (even once) about this wage increase!

They will pay for their GREED.

We have done it before and we will do it again!
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There will be no bitching, businesses will make their money. They will raise prices and cut hours. Only ones bitching will be the employee with 10 hours on his check.
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We WILL boycott any business that bitches (even once) about this wage increase!

They will pay for their GREED.

We have done it before and we will do it again!
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lol
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It is funny. Funny how Applebees, Chick-fil-A and Papa Johns had a HUGE decrease in business after we boycotted their asses.

They even had to come crying back for forgiveness! LOL
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I'm a socialist too!! woo hooo I invented the even pay formula. Every company will use it to achieve socialism.
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I can only imagine how hideous mine would be without a union.
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Well doesn't that just figure.

A fucking union parasite on top of every other disease you carry.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Your corporate masters shove it down a little too far today?
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I don't have "corporate masters", you worthless DNC parrot.

I'm one of those individuals you're so terrified of and unfamiliar with.
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Diseases and parasites can be pretty terrifying.

capi
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this is obama's way of raising TAXES. shhhhh dont tell any1.
for every dollar u get he<the gov> gets more.
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Well doesn't that just figure.

A fucking union parasite on top of every other disease you carry.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Your corporate masters shove it down a little too far today?
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I don't have "corporate masters", you worthless DNC parrot.

I'm one of those individuals you're so terrified of and unfamiliar with.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Diseases and parasites can be pretty terrifying.

:capi:
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Great picture. That's the sort of thing they looked at while they were standing in line in Moscow all day hoping there would be a little chicken skin left on the shelf when they got to the front.

Worker's paradise and all that.
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Well, since all these companies think they will outsmart the Obamacare fees by part-timing their employees, seems like they are gonna make the business owners pay either way...


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this is obama's way of raising TAXES. shhhhh dont tell any1.
for every dollar u get he<the gov> gets more.
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