Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea! | |
Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy stop making sense! Now, now, you know in the progressive world, all business owners are Scrooge McDucks with big vaults of money. And every day they go home and roll around in it and masturbate like monkeys while laughing evilly about how they have screwed their workers!!! don't forget the stir fried aborted fetus they enjoy every night |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28870983 United States 02/13/2013 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many employers will counter with something. They can require employees to pay an additional 10% for their medical insurance. Perhaps cut everyone to part time hours. Some who are barely making it will close up shop. |
Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31464593 the true fact is there should be no mim wage period ,why does someone have to pay a door greeter the same wage ,you would a check out cashier ,are stocker Thinking about it now, that is true. There should be no minimum wage. Let the employer decide who is worth what. It doesn't mean the person has to work for them. An employer could start someone out at 7 bucks and hour and if they don't like them they can get rid of them without much cost to the employer. But if they do like them they could give them a raise to 9, 10, 11 etc bucks if they wanted to keep the person. Nine dollars an hour will just mean that a teen or someone with no experience will not be getting a job at all. Or there will be no raises unless the person is stellar. Or one person will now be doing the work of two or more. It is a bad deal which will cause more unemployment and raise prices. thinking about it now, really? could have used you 50 yrs ago |
Desert Fox User ID: 8786935 United States 02/13/2013 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Quoting: l3ol3o Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. Bingo :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
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Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Quoting: l3ol3o Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. Bingo 99% of liberals understand economics? wow, ok, can you tell OWS? |
Desert Fox User ID: 8786935 United States 02/13/2013 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Quoting: l3ol3o Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. Bingo 99% of liberals understand economics? wow, ok, can you tell OWS? :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
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Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Quoting: l3ol3o Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. Bingo 99% of liberals understand economics? wow, ok, can you tell OWS? seriously, can someone get the hobos off the streets.. |
Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys. You won't do it! Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro? No, I detest the hypocrisy of air-headed multi-millionaire entertainers cheerleading Democrats and calling for higher taxes on their intellectual and moral betters, ie real America. I think it is only fair to place a burden on them equal to the burden they champion for us. fair point. |
DiamondGal User ID: 5598080 United States 02/13/2013 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will raise gas and groceries to match it... Quoting: Dr. Acula you may be making 9 dollars an hour... but you might as well be making the same as you are now... its an endless cycle of illusion... "yay i make more money! Damn milk costs 8 bucks a gallon now!" plus... 9 bucks an hour means more taxes will come out of your check... pushing you into a higher income bracket than you are now... its a way to fuck you while you cheer it on Totally agree with this comment plus I would like to add that employers will not hire as many people since they have to pay them more. They will just shift the work to the other employees who will be more than earning that $9.00 an hour doing all that work. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33959065 Argentina 02/13/2013 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will restart the internal economy of the country. If you give more money to the ones that have less they will buy national food and national machinery. So that will be more work for your people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33959065 I think is the right thing to do. What do you think trinity? How's that workin' out for you in Argentina......sounds pretty socialistic to me. Some numbers from Argentina since 2003 (Kirchner gov): - GDP grew by more than 80%, recording the fastest growth of our in decades. - Industrial production rose 107%. - Argentina was the only Latin American country that exports reprimarizó but, on the contrary, increased to reach the industry in 2011, 34% of total foreign sales. - It generated more than 5 million jobs. - Unemployment declined from 20% to 7%. - From 2003 to late 2012, the salary Minimum Living went from $ 200/mo pesos to $ 2900/mo pesos. - From 2003 to December 2011, poverty per person rose from 54% to 7% and extreme poverty from 28% to 2%. - The Universal Child Allowance reaches almost 4 million of children. - International reserves increased from U.S. $ 9.915 million to 45.000 million. - Tax revenue grew by almost 700%. - In 2002, the total public debt to GDP meant 166% in late 2011 was reduced to 42%. - In 2002, the total public debt held by the private sector, foreign currency relative to GDP was 92% in August 2012 fell to 8.4%. - In 2002, the Debt Total Public, private held, relative to GDP was 124%, in August 2012 is only 12% and is much intra-public sector debt. - In 2002, Argentina was $ 2,250 each, in August 2012 we have $ 962, the decline has been more than 50% of the per capita debt in Argentina. - In 2002, was allocated 22% of tax revenues to pay debt interest, in August 2012, only 6%. - From 2003 to August 2012, retirees more than doubled, went from 3.5 to 7.11 million people covered by the insurance system. - The pension coverage rate is 95.1%, the highest rate throughout Latin America. - From 2003 to August 2012, increasing the minimum pension was 1254%. I'll say it again...the markets will determine the fate of of government intervention, not government intervening in the market. Argentina freezes prices to break inflation spiral [link to www.myfoxny.com] .....Polls show Argentines worry most about inflation, which private economists estimate could reach 30 percent this year....... It's comin'. I think it will be different... You only give points of views, I gave you numbers. For example, let's see what happened when Argentina freezes prices the last 3 times: 1952 Peron freezes prices inflation goes from 38% in 1952 to 3,8% the next year. At the same time the GDP grow 5,4% 1973 Peron is president again and the country have 100% of inflation. Peron freezes prices again and the inflation goes to 30% in only one year. 2006 Nestor Kirchner freezes prices and the inflation goes from 20% to 9,8% in only one year. So history says that you are wrong! Them you talk that this will bring inflation over 30%.... We allready have 30% at least!!! The real problem with Argentinean monetary system is that is infiltrated with too many dollars! And those dollars are in hands of the rich people... Argentina has 2300 dollars per capita. Brazil (6th economy of the world) have less than 13 dollars per person... The actual goverment it's trying to take out those dollars to control the inflation. We have been growing since 2003. Things change here after 2001. For example this year was record in car sales and people going to vacations in and out the country. But maybe you are right, your newspapper knows better... hehe! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11573500 United States 02/13/2013 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will raise gas and groceries to match it... Quoting: Dr. Acula you may be making 9 dollars an hour... but you might as well be making the same as you are now... its an endless cycle of illusion... "yay i make more money! Damn milk costs 8 bucks a gallon now!" plus... 9 bucks an hour means more taxes will come out of your check... pushing you into a higher income bracket than you are now... its a way to fuck you while you cheer it on And meanwhile, those on disability and retired will face higher prices, with no increase in income. The poor just keep getting poorer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34146475 United States 02/13/2013 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Quoting: l3ol3o Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. We have 30% youth unemployment. What shall we do? I know...we'll raise the cost of employing youths! There...all fixed!!!! Brilliant. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21057428 United States 02/13/2013 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea great idea 9 dollars an hour to some asshole who flips a burger or some idiot teenager who can't count back the correct change. Sorry but these minimum wage jobs are for people just starting out or people who are too dumb to realize they need to do something about there life. Why should a business owner have to pay someone with no skills a higher wage to do a job that is not meant for someone with the ability to make something better of themselves. How did that person earn it? Do you seriously think $9.00 an hour is alot? Have you ever tried to live on that wage? It's pitiful and still below the poverty line. People are suffering! And the sad part is that even tho it's an improvement, it's not going to help all that much because it's still too low compared to the actual cost of living in this country. I can't believe some of you americans deny others the right to a living wage, or in this case not even that. Mind blowing! Try blaming the real issue of no jobs here, which is these fat cats corporate billionaires sending all our jobs overseas! That's the real problem, not the poor jerk making minimum wage and trying to honestly work for a living! No wonder so many turn to crime to pay the bills cause this is ridiculous and other americans don't even stand behind their own. Really makes me sick. |
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Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea great idea 9 dollars an hour to some asshole who flips a burger or some idiot teenager who can't count back the correct change. Sorry but these minimum wage jobs are for people just starting out or people who are too dumb to realize they need to do something about there life. Why should a business owner have to pay someone with no skills a higher wage to do a job that is not meant for someone with the ability to make something better of themselves. How did that person earn it? Do you seriously think $9.00 an hour is alot? Have you ever tried to live on that wage? It's pitiful and still below the poverty line. People are suffering! And the sad part is that even tho it's an improvement, it's not going to help all that much because it's still too low compared to the actual cost of living in this country. I can't believe some of you americans deny others the right to a living wage, or in this case not even that. Mind blowing! Try blaming the real issue of no jobs here, which is these fat cats corporate billionaires sending all our jobs overseas! That's the real problem, not the poor jerk making minimum wage and trying to honestly work for a living! No wonder so many turn to crime to pay the bills cause this is ridiculous and other americans don't even stand behind their own. Really makes me sick. Why should you deserve the what is a living wage? being young & suffering should make you strive to want more and work harder, not expect more free shit. but young people are not being hired because of minimum wage laws so they are not getting the funds & experience they need |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33959065 Argentina 02/13/2013 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DeadBeacon How's that workin' out for you in Argentina......sounds pretty socialistic to me. Some numbers from Argentina since 2003 (Kirchner gov): - GDP grew by more than 80%, recording the fastest growth of our in decades. - Industrial production rose 107%. - Argentina was the only Latin American country that exports reprimarizó but, on the contrary, increased to reach the industry in 2011, 34% of total foreign sales. - It generated more than 5 million jobs. - Unemployment declined from 20% to 7%. - From 2003 to late 2012, the salary Minimum Living went from $ 200/mo pesos to $ 2900/mo pesos. - From 2003 to December 2011, poverty per person rose from 54% to 7% and extreme poverty from 28% to 2%. - The Universal Child Allowance reaches almost 4 million of children. - International reserves increased from U.S. $ 9.915 million to 45.000 million. - Tax revenue grew by almost 700%. - In 2002, the total public debt to GDP meant 166% in late 2011 was reduced to 42%. - In 2002, the total public debt held by the private sector, foreign currency relative to GDP was 92% in August 2012 fell to 8.4%. - In 2002, the Debt Total Public, private held, relative to GDP was 124%, in August 2012 is only 12% and is much intra-public sector debt. - In 2002, Argentina was $ 2,250 each, in August 2012 we have $ 962, the decline has been more than 50% of the per capita debt in Argentina. - In 2002, was allocated 22% of tax revenues to pay debt interest, in August 2012, only 6%. - From 2003 to August 2012, retirees more than doubled, went from 3.5 to 7.11 million people covered by the insurance system. - The pension coverage rate is 95.1%, the highest rate throughout Latin America. - From 2003 to August 2012, increasing the minimum pension was 1254%. I'll say it again...the markets will determine the fate of of government intervention, not government intervening in the market. Argentina freezes prices to break inflation spiral [link to www.myfoxny.com] .....Polls show Argentines worry most about inflation, which private economists estimate could reach 30 percent this year....... It's comin'. you're trusting gov't estimates from a gov't media? mmkay... just checkin You are right!!! We have to still trusting in the IMF and the world bank? no? Like we did in the 90's and then they f... all of us in 2001. no? Oh! no! wait! Maybe we have to trust in the private sector! The same companies that said it was all ok in the 90's and now it's all wrong because we don't ask for loans to them??? Oh! no! wait! Maybe we have to trust in the media! That here is totally controled by goldman sachs (Clarin, TN, La nacion, more than 100 tv channels, more than 80 magazines, etc...). Maybe they will tell us the thrut, no? hehehehehe!!! just cheking... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33936240 United States 02/13/2013 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will raise gas and groceries to match it... Quoting: Dr. Acula you may be making 9 dollars an hour... but you might as well be making the same as you are now... its an endless cycle of illusion... "yay i make more money! Damn milk costs 8 bucks a gallon now!" plus... 9 bucks an hour means more taxes will come out of your check... pushing you into a higher income bracket than you are now... its a way to fuck you while you cheer it on It also means, that IF you can find a job it will be part time only and you may be fire, to hire anyone more qualified. Then the extra cost is transfered to the consumer, hurting the poor, women and children the most. Thank you Oreo, you son of a bitch, how white of you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34146475 United States 02/13/2013 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea great idea 9 dollars an hour to some asshole who flips a burger or some idiot teenager who can't count back the correct change. Sorry but these minimum wage jobs are for people just starting out or people who are too dumb to realize they need to do something about there life. Why should a business owner have to pay someone with no skills a higher wage to do a job that is not meant for someone with the ability to make something better of themselves. How did that person earn it? Do you seriously think $9.00 an hour is alot? Have you ever tried to live on that wage? It's pitiful and still below the poverty line. People are suffering! And the sad part is that even tho it's an improvement, it's not going to help all that much because it's still too low compared to the actual cost of living in this country. I can't believe some of you americans deny others the right to a living wage, or in this case not even that. Mind blowing! Try blaming the real issue of no jobs here, which is these fat cats corporate billionaires sending all our jobs overseas! That's the real problem, not the poor jerk making minimum wage and trying to honestly work for a living! No wonder so many turn to crime to pay the bills cause this is ridiculous and other americans don't even stand behind their own. Really makes me sick. We have 30% youth unemployment. How do we show our compassion? Let's raise the cost of hiring them! And I'm sure raising the cost of hiring people will make those evil corporations decide to bring jobs back from overseas. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33298613 United States 02/13/2013 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now the socialists think it's ok to take 40-60% of what average people make? It is all going to collapse. Obamma doesn't have a clue, he likes to spend spend spend. |
Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States 02/13/2013 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the banks and .gov weren't confiscateing so much money people would have more to put back in. And all those .gov mandated regulations, it's no wonder most people are struggling. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33298613 Now the socialists think it's ok to take 40-60% of what average people make? It is all going to collapse. Obamma doesn't have a clue, he likes to spend spend spend. he does have a clue. that's a the problem. |
davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 02/13/2013 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems all the people without skills or education think this is their ticket out of poverty. Quoting: TDJ Your real ticket out of poverty is mentioned above, education and/or job skills to back up a good attendance record and good attitude towards work and other employees. People will pay a good employee well because they are hard to find, shitty $9/hr employees are everywhere 9 bucks an hour and guess what, they are still in poverty. aslong as we are at it why not make 10 dollars, 20, 30 an hour? i mean why stop at 9? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21057428 United States 02/13/2013 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea great idea 9 dollars an hour to some asshole who flips a burger or some idiot teenager who can't count back the correct change. Sorry but these minimum wage jobs are for people just starting out or people who are too dumb to realize they need to do something about there life. Why should a business owner have to pay someone with no skills a higher wage to do a job that is not meant for someone with the ability to make something better of themselves. How did that person earn it? Do you seriously think $9.00 an hour is alot? Have you ever tried to live on that wage? It's pitiful and still below the poverty line. People are suffering! And the sad part is that even tho it's an improvement, it's not going to help all that much because it's still too low compared to the actual cost of living in this country. I can't believe some of you americans deny others the right to a living wage, or in this case not even that. Mind blowing! Try blaming the real issue of no jobs here, which is these fat cats corporate billionaires sending all our jobs overseas! That's the real problem, not the poor jerk making minimum wage and trying to honestly work for a living! No wonder so many turn to crime to pay the bills cause this is ridiculous and other americans don't even stand behind their own. Really makes me sick. Why should you deserve the what is a living wage? being young & suffering should make you strive to want more and work harder, not expect more free shit. but young people are not being hired because of minimum wage laws so they are not getting the funds & experience they need A "wage" isn't free, it's money paid for work done. Not all minimum wage jobs are all teenagers, and I'd be willing to bet that most aren't teenagers. Am I the only person that sees this? It's like nazi germany mentality.......point the finger at your own and attack them instead of identifying the real problem. The real problem is that they sent our jobs overseas! Now everyone is fighting for the little jobs left here and yelling about the poor making too much money, even tho it's still under the poverty line! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34146475 United States 02/13/2013 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And all those .gov mandated regulations, it's no wonder most people are struggling. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33298613 The best way to get a "livable wage" is to start your own business. But the politicians have piled so many regulations to create barriers to entry and preserve the status quo for the giant conglomerates. Try to start up a lemonade stand. Within an hour the police, health inspectors, and zoning code enforcement will have you shut down and fined. A huge percentage of restaurants that start up...fail. There are no more mom and pop ANYTHING and this is why. We already have McDonald's, barber shops, and eye care centers inside Wal-Mart. Pretty soon we'll all rent cots inside a Wal-Mart. |