Are the Knights of Malta enemies or allies of the Templars/Masons ?

Any specialist in secret societies could clarify that?

The easiest way understand it and the way I do is this, all these secret societies and governents and intelligence agencies work together but they also work against each other and are even warring within with one another, I know that makes no sense but when did sense play a role

That REALLY makes no sense at all...

Some people claim the Freemasons and the Catholic Church are "at war".

Others claim the Catholic Church (including the Knights of Malta) and the Freemasons are "best friends forever"

Makes no sense...

I know but there is a rumour, probably bullshit that there's a feud within the Rockefeller family and between David Rockefeller and the rothschilds, I don't actually believe that but if they are big Satan worshippers there will never be proper unity and amongst them

Knights Templar
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The Cross pattée, a symbol commonly associated with both the historic and modern Knights Templar.

Officially known as The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta of England and Wales, this order is colloquially known as the Knights Templar. Local bodies of Knights Templar are known as Preceptories; local bodies of Knights of St Paul are known as Chapters; local bodies of Knights of Malta are known as Priories; all operate under a Grand or Great Priory, often with an intermediate level of Provincial Priories. Although some jurisdictions maintain a separate Great Priory of the Temple and Great Priory of Malta (as, for example, in England), the Grand Master and other officers of both Great Priories hold simultaneous equal office in both bodies. Three degrees are administered in this system:
The Degree of Knight Templar (Order of the Temple)
The Degree of Knight of St. Paul (incorporating the Mediterranean Pass)
The Degree of Knight of Malta (Order of Malta)

Membership is by invitation and candidates are required to be Master Masons, holders of the degree of the Holy Royal Arch and to sign a declaration that they profess the Doctrine of the Holy and Undivided Trinity.

The Jesuits are the moles planted by the Knights Templar in the Catholic Church, so naturally, they pretend to be enemies of the Knights Templar and friends of the Catholic Church.

But then again, the Catholic Church must have planted their own moles among the Jesuits and the Freemasons :)

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The earliest reference to a Masonic (Warranted) Lodge in Malta is in an extant French document dating at 14th February 1730; noting a donation of an annual 150 Scudi by Bailiff Wolfgang Philip Guttenberg, a notable dignitary of the Order of the Knights of St. John, to establish a Lodge named Parfait Harmonie, operating under the Marseilles Jurisdiction. By the year 1741 the Craft was established and practised to an extent that it attracted the unwelcome attention of the Catholic Inquisition that pursued its practitioners, obliging several Knights of the Order together with Maltese Nobles to leave these Islands. Ironically yet unsurprisingly it is the records of the Inquisition that provide most recorded evidence of Masonic activity.

The foremost of this evidence is the ‘Processo Lante’, dated 1776, which deals in great detail with events of 1756 when Manuel Pinto de Fonesca was Grand Master of the Order of St. John (1741-1773). It further refers to the sympathetic tolerance of Masonic allegiances by Emmanuel De Rohan, Grand Master of the Order of St. John (1775-1797) (of whom A.M. Broadley writes ‘was initiated into Freemasonry, presumably in Parma, by the Duke of Parma’); and who is elsewhere recorded as having been severely censored by Rome for his failure to promptly enforce an anti-Masonic Papal Bull in Malta.

Depends on which way you are looking at it. The Freemason's have degrees named for both, so if you believe they are the remaining Templar then you might say friends. Historically, not so much. After the Templar were disbanded by the pope most of their wealth and property went to the Hospitallers, something the Templars and Jacques de Molay fought tooth and nail against. They fought side by side often but did not like each other. There was a ridiculous amount of resentment after the fact, and some believe that the 1381 peasants rebellion was a strike against the Hospitallers and the crown by Templar agents. So take your pick. I would say, NO if the Templars are still around they probably don't like the Knights of Malta much at all.

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The island of Malta is renowned for its anti-masonic views however the brethren still meet regularly.

This is true.

It's best understood this way: there's a Secret.

This Secret has a lot of parts, and it goes way back in time, and it's connected to a lot of things, but it's basically "The Secret."

All over the world, powerful people have identified each other by whether or not they knew this Secret, and what secret societies they used to control their particular part of the world.

The clash of these secret societies is what is called history. These days, they all know each other, and to the extent that they are all based on keeping this Secret a secret, they work together to hide it from the riff raff, and to keep various levels of it locked away from their own members according to a "level" system.

But.

The Mayan calendar didn't come from the Mayans - it was given to them, as well as a lot of other ancient cultures, and is part of the Secret. So secret societies have spent a lot of time destroying those cultures to hide the calendar. Most of the Central American butchery was about punishing the Mayans for not staying dead.

Anyway, the calendar is real, and the changing of the world "ages" is real, and it's all part of the Secret.

And time's almost up.

So, the secret societies, and factions within the secret societies, are arguing and fighting about what to do about the ending of this age. Because certain opportunities have been presented to them which would make this transition much more peaceful and safe - if they let go of their fraudulent claims to power. If they don't, their power will be taken from them anyway. So their only real decision is if they want to go screaming or not (or, realistically, without any time for a scream).

Problem is, despite their claims of superiority and illumination, members of secret societies aren't actually the most rational people on the planet. They've got egos the size of planets, and they spend their lives indulging themselves and consciously practicing sadistic enjoyment as a function of their self-worth.

So there's a bit of disagreement among them not just on how to proceed in the face of the ending of the age, but also whether or not to even admit they have a problem. Remember, they see themselves as gods who decide what reality is for everyone - they are not used to being told "time's up." And their practiced solution for anything they don't like is to either destroy it, or ignore it into non-existence.

FYI, these people do not represent the rest of the Galaxy. In fact, they have pissed off a lot of Beings not from Earth, who are here actively watching them melt down, and praying they make the wrong decisions so they get maximally wiped.

Basically, they're shitheads who have it coming, who are screaming their innocence while stabbing each other in the back and trying to nuke the planet because they can't be Maximum Overlords anymore.

And that's why, even though they all exist in secret societies that hide the Secret from the rest of the world, they hate each other and sabotage and undermine each other every chance they get.

Oh yeah, that big Secret? It's demon possession. Humans really aren't that bad of a lot. But they've been sabotaged by demons hopping from body to body across history, being served by traitors to the human race who serve them to get ahead. That's the big Secret that all the secret societies protect and enable.

But here's the fun part - those demons are TRAPPED under what we would call spells (but are actually mantra/yantra energy nets). They're used as power tools by these so-called witches and sorcerers. BUT, at the change of the age, at the end of the calendar, the ability of the secret societies to keep these demons trapped ENDS, because the energy matrix within which their spells changes to an environment in which they just don't have enough power to keep the net strong. And so, the demons will rip the net, and escape.

And they know who their jailers are.

Tick tock.

of course it makes sense. think of it this way, hold your friends close, hold your enemies closer.

the restrainer will step out of the way and hell will break loose in other words?

IT should be possible for members of both groups to join the other group as their ideologies do not conflict.

ENEMIES!!

The Knights Templar are underground, and no longer affiliated with any of the modern day Christian groups.

Well they both fought in the Crusades

Kiss them both in ? Man the question is why do you live on the planet.

this is probably the best one to quote, the Templars and

the Knights of Malta fought together on the same side,

they had their usual tactical spats about things, but

were allies, common enemy, later the Templars got

burned, 1307-1324, you know the drill, alot of the Templar

stuff was given to the Knights of Malta by, I'll call them

Rome, whatever, later, Knights of Malta got the betrayal

too, original ones that is, here is a link,

The Cathedral Museum of Mdina contains the archives of the Roman Inquisition on Malta, one of two complete sets of Inquisitorial archives in Europe. Sicilian Inquisitors had jurisdiction over Malta before 1561, and occasionally visited the island. The Bishop of Malta handled most problems of ecclesiastical discipline. But when the Emperor Charles V gave the island of Malta to the Order of the Hospital in 1530, he also introduced possible conflicts between two ecclesiastical overlords. Pope Pius IV ordered a resident inquisitor on Malta in 1561, where the office lasted until 1798. The Roman Inquisition on Malta ostensibly guarded against the introduction of Lutheranism and rooted out heresy, ignorance, and superstition. But the Inquisitor also checked the power of the Grand Master on Malta and reported to the pope about the ecclesiastical misconduct of the Knights and their servants. The Maltese Inquisitor's tribunal in Birgu formed one of the three centers of ecclesiastical power on Malta, balancing the Bishop in Mdina, and the Grand Master in Valletta. The office of the Inquisitor provided a stepping-stone to ecclesiastical promotion. Many inquisitors went on to become bishops and cardinals, and two -- Fabio Chigi and Antonio Pignatelli - became Popes (Alexander VII and Innocent XII). The French abolished the tribunal when they took the island in 1798, and its records were transferred to the Cathedral, where they remain to this day.

The inquisition on Malta had no connection with the Spanish Inquisition, which Ferdinand and Isabella set up to enforce religious conformity in Spain. Instead, the word "inquisition" describes the nature of tribunal, which summoned those accused of religious improprieties and interrogated them to determine the facts of the case. Like the Spanish Inquisition, the interrogation could include torture. Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, the Roman Inquisition on Malta released few people to the secular arm for execution (church courts could not execute the condemned, and heresy was considered a capital crime).

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anyway, this represented the break between the original

Knights of Malta, and Rome, like the Templars, now just

to keep things very confusing, Rome has their own,

replacements, for the Knights Templar, and the Knights of

Malta, you can tell the original, from these new ones,

by their faces, their deeds, what you guys are good at,

the original, are Masons, so the question is not so simple,

as stated in the title, sorry, and remember, anyone can

use the symbols, of anyone, so don't make the mistake of

simply following symbols, not that easy, they needed to

make replacements, to save face, so to speak, after

betraying the originals.

Cool
So we're left with empty shells and sorcerers with their asses creamed?

So...

Are the Knights of Malta enemies or allies of the Templars/Masons ?


The Knights Templar (Freemasons) are best friends forever with the Knights of Malta, or are they enemies?


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Does it really matter?

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The knights of Malta and Knights of Templar were created for different reasons but are coordinated and worked and work together.
The knight of Malta are a Christian Society that work and fight to defend Christian faith in places that you don't want to go...
The knights of Templar are financiers and fund such operations, in the past, through taxes sanctioned by kings, but now through collateral of untold assets...

This is a one time post to let you know that they do exist but it is also a plea to don't go searching to find secret tunnels, or pits or anything else...you will find nothing..we have what we need..let us do our job

Stay away and let us do or job..the alternative is not a pleasant one

The Knights Templar were folded over into the Knights of Malta by decree of Pope Urban. Most Templars complied, some just quit. All their properties and riches went to the Knights of Malta who continued to defend the Catholic faith from the enemies of Christianity. Anyone who claims to be a Templar today is a liar, they are no more.

To be a Knight of Malta (SMOM) you must prove that you have never been a member of an organization that is opposed to Catholicism, i.e., Freemasonry.
Freemasonry falsely coopted the legendary exploits of the Knights of Malta and Knights Templar and tried to claim it as its own. This travesty of truth continues to this day.

I have a friend that is a prominent U.S. Congressman who expressed interest in becoming a Knight of Malta, but he was unanimously denied because of his Masonic past. He even offered to quit Freemasonry to become an actual Knight of Malta and he was still denied. Freemasonry and Catholicism are like oil and water, they do not mix well.

Here is a link to the real Knights of Malta, don't be fooled by all of the "false orders" claiming to be the actual thing:

[link to www.orderofmalta-federal.org]

So............................are we talking about Archons, jinns? - did this start with Solomon and his ring that bound the demons/jinns - how about YWH what his part?

Who rules the world...

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