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Vol. Fire Dept. - infiltrated by feds.

 
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There are no links, videos, or anything else to confirm
what I am saying. Just my word.

I am a volunteer firefighter in a very rural area in the
middle of the U.S.
Tonight at our training/meeting...we had an individual
come and give us a speech. He was a DHS/FEMA liason for the area.
As soon as he began to speak, I knew exactly what he was going to say.
All the typical stuff...we are here to help....we will do our best to provide you with more money, resources, ect.
Our dept. will now be getting biometric badges for all members...badges with personal AND medical history.
I asked only one question....
Will this information be sent to a federal database?
He immidiately said yes...then stumbled on his words and said no...then went on to explain how it works, and then at the end of answering my question...he said...yes...it will be in a federal database.
He went on to tell us how we can get "free" trianing, with free travel, and room and board...and even free beer.
And of course all the sheeple at my dept. ate this garbage up.
The majority of the members of my fire dept. are over the age of 60. Veterans, people who lived in cities, former CIA folks, hillbillies...all kinds of folks.
And yet...they just ate this trash up.
They actually believed they would get a "free lunch".
I was litteraly getting an elevated heart rate, and sick to my stomach witnessing this.
I was holding back tears...it makes me so EFFING sad to watch this kind of thing happen.
After the meeting ...I did speak with my chief....who knows my views...and explained to him what happens when the fed steps in to "help". As always...it fell on deaf ears.
So once again....I was shown that no matter what happens, the Amerikan sheeple will take/put up with anything.
Just dangle a little cheese in their face, and they are yours for the raping.

I try very hard to think positive, and pray for some type of peaceful solution to this nightmare...
but sometimes you gotta face reality.
We are fucked.
Have a great day.
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I Feel your pain. Its like a runaway freight train with all the sheeple on board with smiles on their face, and the rest of have to watch helplessly as the wreckage unfolds.

Fucking sad days in America.
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Why is DHS infiltrating a little town volunteer FD? What reason did they give for being there and offering to give you guys money? What reason did he give for providing biometric badges with your personal info sent to a federal database?

This isn't your day job, right? I'd tell them my volunteer services are no longer available.
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That really sucks. Sorry for your loss.
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That really sucks. Sorry for your loss.
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OUR loss.
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Can you at least give us an idea of what big city you live near so we know where to expect an event
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We were doomed the moment Obama got elected.

Now, it is FAR worse, that he has been re-elected ( or due to vote fraud, more likely ).

The TSA molesters at the airports are just the BEGINNING.

To paraphrase some other GLP'er who wrote recently,


" I no longer want to live on THIS planet".
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Can you at least give us an idea of what big city you live near so we know where to expect an event
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This is happening around the whole country. It stems from taking in grant money, the rest is history...
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Why is DHS infiltrating a little town volunteer FD? What reason did they give for being there and offering to give you guys money? What reason did he give for providing biometric badges with your personal info sent to a federal database?

This isn't your day job, right? I'd tell them my volunteer services are no longer available.
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This is not my day job. It is a VOLUNTEER fire dept.
I joined because I believe in helping my community.

This is how it works...DHS/FEMA goes around to every county in the U.S. and selects certain individuals to "help" local vol. fire dept's. They get paid very little to do this, but they get the "authority" type of title. As we all know, damn near any sheeple will jump all over the chance to be part of the system. Once they have established a contact for every county, they then take said individual and give him a "play list" of things they need to do.
The reason for biometric badges is typical.
If you are on a fire/rescue scene...you just swipe your badge, so they then have a record of who is there, and what capacity they are functioning in. This is to secure our "safety". Im sure you can read into this scenario.
And yes....My chief is well aware of the fact that I am on the verge of quitting the team if this continues.
Does that answer your questions?
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Why is DHS infiltrating a little town volunteer FD? What reason did they give for being there and offering to give you guys money? What reason did he give for providing biometric badges with your personal info sent to a federal database?

This isn't your day job, right? I'd tell them my volunteer services are no longer available.
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This question has not been answered and needs to be.
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Can you at least give us an idea of what big city you live near so we know where to expect an event
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This is happening around the whole country. It stems from taking in grant money, the rest is history...
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I am in fema region 6. The ozarks.
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my family is NYFD and volunteer long island...and my kids volunteer in my township.

news to us. aint happening here in pa or there.
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my family is NYFD and volunteer long island...and my kids volunteer in my township.

news to us. aint happening here in pa or there.
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grants delivered through fema for volunteer groups...

Training and exercises for the public or civilian volunteer programs supporting first responders before, during, and after disasters that address the needs of the Whole Community

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my family is NYFD and volunteer long island...and my kids volunteer in my township.

news to us. aint happening here in pa or there.
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Give it time...
Like I said....I am in the middle of nowhere. One of the best kept secret rural areas in the country. But that of course is a thing of the past. Even the local middle/high school has quit issueing books to kids...now they get ipads.
We are talking about a town of less than 5000 people.
One little side note...a couple of years ago I went to a somewhat secret hangout area on the lake, there is a nice beach and a great rock to jump off of. The rock is about a twenty foot jump. I used to hang out there all the time...and of course jump off the rock. Then last year, I was jumping off the rock and hanging out, and a "deputy" on a jetski came up and told me it was illegal to jump off of anything over ten foot high. I of course laughed at him and told him to F off. Shortly after that, a cop came to the area and did a "look and see". I left, and have not been back since.
I just dont know what to say or where to begin.
The police state is simply out of control, and nobody seems to give a damn.
So now I just stay home...on my property, and try to fight evil anyway I can.
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Sorry, I really shouldn't find it funny that you're flipping out, but I do.

Everyone in my immediate family has run at a station in Northern Virginia for a span of two decades. As long as I can remember --since I was 6 or 7-- I've known that the majority of the non-pay crew members (volunteer) either worked directly for the gov't, or were fed contractors. At every level, in every field you can imagine. And, yes, that does involve members from the more crazy parts of the alphabet soup.

Like, there was one call where they were dispatched to a 'facility' for a fire alarm, and at some point security asked if anyone on the crew had a clearance. EVERYONE on that night raised their hand.

So the point is: there are people in Washington that, I don't know, might just want to make shit easier for fire fighters because HEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.

OR IT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST, IDK.

I'm probably just a shill.peace
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Yeah, it's the banker/corporate mafia siphoning wealth and intellectual property via the finance vortex, and then using the government as basically their collection agency, and as an enforcement body to bring people into federal receivership. Too bad the left right paradigm blinds us from the elite's tag team operation against us.
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Our fire dept. needs no fed. help.
We do just fine.
Im sure it sounds nice on the face of it all...but like I said...this DHS/FEMA guy actually offered us a "free lunch".
The things he said were totally scripted.
I know its hard for some to understand.
But the formula is the same...
when gov't. gets involved, everything goes to shit.
I forgot to mention, one of the things he went over in detail was the fact that he, or another representative will be on EVERY scene we respond to. Of course he will be making a complete report of who was there, and everything that took place, including any type of "interesting" conversation he heard.
Its nothing ground breaking, just another example of how our lives are being controled and supervised from every angle.
I am just sick of gov't. being involved in my life.
For F*cks sake....I moved out the middle of nowhere to try and maintain some type of free life.
Not gonna happen.
As far out in the woods as I am....the "man" is all over.
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You guys may want to look at creating your own currency as a hedge and just trying to become self sufficient to the point where federal funds (w/ strings attached) aren't necessary. The assets of your town or state are all the collateral needed for a parallel currency. The more food, water, etc. that you guys have the more self sufficient you can be and the more money you'll be able to create debt free. It's probably better to do on a state level though because it will be easier to be self sufficient using the resources of the entire state. You'll have to think it through and do some research to get an idea how it all could work, but it is an option.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Our fire dept. needs no fed. help.
We do just fine.
Im sure it sounds nice on the face of it all...but like I said...this DHS/FEMA guy actually offered us a "free lunch".
The things he said were totally scripted.
I know its hard for some to understand.
But the formula is the same...
when gov't. gets involved, everything goes to shit.
I forgot to mention, one of the things he went over in detail was the fact that he, or another representative will be on EVERY scene we respond to. Of course he will be making a complete report of who was there, and everything that took place, including any type of "interesting" conversation he heard.
Its nothing ground breaking, just another example of how our lives are being controled and supervised from every angle.
I am just sick of gov't. being involved in my life.
For F*cks sake....I moved out the middle of nowhere to try and maintain some type of free life.
Not gonna happen.
As far out in the woods as I am....the "man" is all over.
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So, if you guys don't need the help, are you required to let them come in? Do you know if they are legally allowed to interfere in this fashion, or do you think perhaps someone from your dept. just invited them in without maybe knowing what they would try?
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Wait a minute...

You have former CIA members in your volunteer fire squad and you think the infiltration is just now beginning?

Think for a moment...
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You guys may want to look at creating your own currency as a hedge and just trying to become self sufficient to the point where federal funds (w/ strings attached) aren't necessary. The assets of your town or state are all the collateral needed for a parallel currency. The more food, water, etc. that you guys have the more self sufficient you can be and the more money you'll be able to create debt free. It's probably better to do on a state level though because it will be easier to be self sufficient using the resources of the entire state. You'll have to think it through and do some research to get an idea how it all could work, but it is an option.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Not to be rude...but...
GET REAL.

90% of the people in this community are retired.
If you have a brain cell...you know the ramifications of this situtation.
On top of that, I have tried hard for years to wake these people up.
I have tried every angle possible.
People do not care. So long as the t.v. works, and wal-mart is open, they give a damn about anything else.
At the meeting tonight, I told a couple of people this...
"did you know that the DHS ranks returning veterans, and second amd. advocates as the number one threat to national security?" of course they just looked at me crosseyed.
It doesnt matter what you say, or what you show people.
The program is complete. Thats all I can figure out.
When you present people with FACTS...and they dont even care enought to ask an intelligent question...
I just dont know what to say.
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Wait a minute...

You have former CIA members in your volunteer fire squad and you think the infiltration is just now beginning?

Think for a moment...
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There is one guy...that I know of...that is former CIA.
Being former CIA doesnt mean much. He was a bean counter or some such type job. He isnt James Bond. He may keep in contact with the TPTB...but I am not worried about him.
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If you quit, that's when they put you on the list.
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Wait a minute...

You have former CIA members in your volunteer fire squad and you think the infiltration is just now beginning?

Think for a moment...
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Once recruited in " Criminals In Action" its for life! Dont get me started lol!
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You guys may want to look at creating your own currency as a hedge and just trying to become self sufficient to the point where federal funds (w/ strings attached) aren't necessary. The assets of your town or state are all the collateral needed for a parallel currency. The more food, water, etc. that you guys have the more self sufficient you can be and the more money you'll be able to create debt free. It's probably better to do on a state level though because it will be easier to be self sufficient using the resources of the entire state. You'll have to think it through and do some research to get an idea how it all could work, but it is an option.

[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Not to be rude...but...
GET REAL.

90% of the people in this community are retired.
If you have a brain cell...you know the ramifications of this situtation.
On top of that, I have tried hard for years to wake these people up.
I have tried every angle possible.
People do not care. So long as the t.v. works, and wal-mart is open, they give a damn about anything else.
At the meeting tonight, I told a couple of people this...
"did you know that the DHS ranks returning veterans, and second amd. advocates as the number one threat to national security?" of course they just looked at me crosseyed.
It doesnt matter what you say, or what you show people.
The program is complete. Thats all I can figure out.
When you present people with FACTS...and they dont even care enought to ask an intelligent question...
I just dont know what to say.
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Yeah, well, I've noticed the same thing, but am just trying to be optimistic. The lefties out there want to hate capitalism and bring in a controlled society. And the banking system eventually results in receivership, so these two groups it seems are conspiring to create one, and many didn't see it coming cause the right wing is more about bowing to existing businesses than creating new ones. I've learned so many lessons over the last few years, and I'm sure people like you have too. If only we could start over, I'll be we could make society work really well. But for now, those people in a trance may just have to see shit get really bad before they'll actually believe anything you say. Til then.... hope things don't get too bad.
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Wait a minute...

You have former CIA members in your volunteer fire squad and you think the infiltration is just now beginning?

Think for a moment...
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There is one guy...that I know of...that is former CIA.
Being former CIA doesnt mean much. He was a bean counter or some such type job. He isnt James Bond. He may keep in contact with the TPTB...but I am not worried about him.
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That's not what I mean.

Regardless of what his job was, even if he was just a janitor, you know he's not gonna have a problem with federal involvement, so you shouldn't be surprised.

Regarding your post, I'm torn.

Part of it reminds me of the concept of "the Militarization of Mayberry" (a reference to the Andy Griffith show) in which small town law enforcement has been militarized by the Feds. Very scary.

Another part of me thinks you're reading too much into it in the sense that federal funding of otherwise local fire departments could be a good thing if equipment and training is enhanced for firefighting purposes.

While the fed gov. does very evil things, it still has a function which isn't always benign. And since you're dealing with fighting fires, and not arresting civilians, it doesn't seem as bad as what the feds are doing to police forces.

But with police, it's different, b/c most local police are happy to be part of the Gestapo.

With a volunteer FD, it could just be upgrading of equipment and improvement of technique.
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There leaving no stone unturned! They want to infiltrate everything! Im a former hotshot I was young then ! I was absolutely floored when I saw how the Fed rolls! The U.S. gubment is wicked to the core! There looking for yesems and thats it! Hell? Look at " Americorps" and all that crap its just discusting!
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thanks for the intel OP

intresting and sounds like the most rural areas are the ones they are most concerned with. no suprise since these areas are more lilely to still have some of the "We The People" in them.


things are bad everywhere in the US.. I think our only hope is finding all the pieces to the missing 13th amendment puzzel and finally proving beyond all doubts in lawful assembly of the people and then charge all involved with treason by grand jurys formed by We The People.
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If you quit, that's when they put you on the list.
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Definitely don't quit. You need to try and stick around to be a voice when needed. Where is there to run? No "new world's" left unfortunately, except in space, but it will take some time before that becomes cheap & safe enough for mass transit. Could move to an island, but with limited resources come limited job opportunities. Think long term. The tide will turn eventually. Some people just have to see the evil before they get it unfortunately.
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Its sucks how in two decades the average U.S. citizen is like yay!!! I love gubment! I was actualy dating a gal who said " I dont like you talking bad about the government" she,s no longer around lol!
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thanks for the intel OP

intresting and sounds like the most rural areas are the ones they are most concerned with. no suprise since these areas are more lilely to still have some of the "We The People" in them.


things are bad everywhere in the US.. I think our only hope is finding all the pieces to the missing 13th amendment puzzel and finally proving beyond all doubts in lawful assembly of the people and then charge all involved with treason by grand jurys formed by We The People.
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We actually do have a lot of laws and tools on our side, but people don't know about citizen's arrests, jury nullification, public money, 16th amendment not being ratified, etc.. Also, many people in the system are probably overall good but need the money and/or are mesmerized by the propaganda saying tptb are the good guys. We have some things on our side, but just need enough aware people to get things moving in the right direction again.

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