Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone fits the discription of Peter of Rome! Not Peter Turkson! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34894122 United States 02/27/2013 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | VATICAN LETTER May-7-2010 Fatima debate: Some say 'third secret' is still secret By John Thavis Catholic News Service VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Ten years after the Vatican divulged one of the church's best-kept secrets -- the third part of the message of Fatima -- a small band of skeptics and critics are still questioning the official explanation. [SNIP] Most recently, several of these "diehard Fatimists" -- as a Vatican official once described them -- have suggested that the priestly sex abuse crisis in the church is a clear sign of the crisis of faith and pastoral negligence prophesied, they say, by Mary at Fatima. The conference took place a few days before Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Fatima, and organizers went out of their way to invite the pope and Vatican officials. None showed up. The pope's Vatican aides consider the "Fatimists" a fringe element that is best ignored. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, has said one of the reasons the third secret was made public in 2000 was that people were spreading "absurd theses" about catastrophic events or heresy at the top levels of the church. Cardinal Bertone, who was personally involved in the publication of the third secret, said he was puzzled that some still think the Vatican is hiding something. In 2006, an Italian journalist wrote a book titled "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" that laid out a Vatican conspiracy theory, prompting a new round of publicity. In 2007, Cardinal Bertone wrote his own book, "The Last Visionary of Fatima," which reiterated the official version of the Fatima messages and secrets and was based, he said, on long conversations with Carmelite Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last of the visionaries to die. In TV appearances, the cardinal strongly denied theories of a Vatican cover-up. Pope Benedict was also personally involved in publishing the third secret. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican's top doctrinal official, he presented the text of the secret to the press and wrote a lengthy commentary about it. That news conference on June 26, 2000, is still memorable for Vatican journalists. The stage was set for disclosure of a text that for decades was thought to be too disturbing to reveal. But instead, Cardinal Ratzinger began by deflating expectations and announcing that there was nothing apocalyptic. "No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled," he said. He went on to give a theological framework to the apparitions and messages of Fatima, insisting that in the church's tradition, "prophecy" is not like a "film preview," but more like offering signs that can be useful for Christians. Cardinal Ratzinger said that was how to understand the third secret's vision of a "bishop in white" who struggles up a hill amid corpses of slain martyrs, and then falls dead after being shot by soldiers. Whether this bishop symbolized Pope John Paul II, who was shot and wounded on May 13, 1981, or a "convergence" of several 20th-century pontiffs who helped the church ward off the dangers, it doesn't mean someone must be killed, the cardinal said. That explanation still sticks in the craw of "Fatimists," who say it deliberately removes the vision's apocalyptic scenario and lulls the faithful into a false sense of security. The Vatican's version, they say, suggests these problems are behind the church, when in their view the worst is yet to come. [SNIP AND END OF EXCERPT] Remember, this was written almost three years ago! I go to GLP mainly for entertainment, but if Bertone is the next pope (lower case intentional), then I would say that there is a LOT more that stinks in the Vatican than old men's farts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35261284 Italy 02/27/2013 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | already lot of treads about it... too many maybe... Thread: St Malacy Prophecy: what really tell about Peter II and who could he be? Thread: Tarcisio Bertone vs Judas Iscariot connection. A forewarning of the forthcoming false prophet. |
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eos User ID: 29094041 United States 02/27/2013 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the pope resigns the man in charge will be none other than Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone. This will be the case if/until a new pope is chosen. On March 1st Peter the Roman takes the reigns. Quoting: Fred 1081195 indeed, he is the "Camerlengo" and automatically becomes overseer of Vatican affairs, although it's unclear if he will seek the advice of the soon to be "Pope emeritus" Benedict XVI, or whatever term is used for this new and unprecedented status of a "retired" Pope who will moreover remain physically in the Vatican. there is no reason to be fixed on the notion of a "black pope" other than the prophesy of Malachy, and even then, black is equated to Jesuits, so the Malachy prophesy points to a Jesuit. for those who have followed the politics of this, regardless of Malachy being either a prophet or an instruction book, the reality is that the Vatican is firming up the worldly ownership of the wealth of the Church, and the most compelling aspect of this is to focus the power of the Cardinals in Rome. Thus, Peter the Roman, yes, is Bertone, and if we are going by Malachy (the source of the "Peter the Roman" prediction,) then Bertone fits very well--he will be shepherding the Church whether or not they vote him in as Pope anytime soon. [NOTE: EDITED for spelling--"camerlengo" and "malachy"] Last Edited by eos on 02/27/2013 09:22 AM --------------------------------eos--------------------------------------- the first will be last, the last first, captivity captive. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35364924 Germany 03/01/2013 06:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just found your site after doing some googling on Peter the Roman I have arrived at somehow the same conclusions as some users here but with a little twist I'll post something i wrote on another site -------------------------------------------------- Check this scenario... There's nothing that says Peter the Roman is a Pope, only that he will pasture his sheep in "the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church'. Even the phrases used for the previous popes is not of similar type, instead of a metaphorical description, there's simply a name AND there's no number next to his name. Some people suggested it means Peter is the same as the last pope (265 or 112). I say he's the leader of the church but not a pope. And like some said, all of the cardinals KNOW the prophecy and will surely NOT pick someone named Peter So hypothetically, how can the prophecy fulfill, with all these elements ? Let's recapitulate : there's some persecution, a leader (but not necessarily a pope) named Peter Romanus. If you want to add the Pius prophecy " The Pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests" then we can deduce this convoluted plot. The conclave will get together to elect a pope. Something happens, they all die, all the cardinals : a bomb, poison, whatever Can't vote for a new pope Who now will run the church ? The camerlingo who's already running it during the Interregnum Tarcisio PIETRO Evasio Bertone from Romana Irony : Tarcisio is an anagaram for Iscariot ! Judas ! He will NOT be a pope, there's no cardinals left to vote him in But he is the leader of the church, who is now in a severe tribulation after a huge persecution and for Pius ? well Benedict is still a pope albeit 'emeritus'. If such accident happens he will have to vacate Rome, walking over the bodies of his dead priests Voila !! it all fits and as for "I saw Satan as lightning fall from the heavens" ? Hello ? Hours after the resignation of the (last) pope, Satan enters the scene at the right moment ! (and fulfills another prophecy ! Betcha he's going to destroy all those cardinals ! [link to www.youtube.com] It's elegant, it's plausible, It's Dan Brownian ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24170033 Netherlands 03/01/2013 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got a strong feeling Peter Turkson is going to be the next pontifex, and not the current camerlengo Bertone here's why: Using simple numerology where a=1, b=2 etc.., i=9, j=1 etc.. The name Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson can be written: 7.5.2.5.9, 2.6.4.5.6, 1.7.7.9.1.8, 2.3.9.2.1.6.5 Add those numbers together and guess what you get? 112. Benedict XVI resigned on: 11-2-2013 His coat of arms: [link to nl.wikipedia.org] Depects the Aplha and omega, Yeshua told us that HE is the ALpha and Omega I am almost absolutely certain this is the one, because the dark on sure loves putting it infront of you, mimicing what once was. just my 2 cents |