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I had a very prophetic dream about God's Church

 
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I had a very prophetic dream about God's Church
I dream there alot of people gather together in like a square sitting outside and we were al talking, they were church people. I ask them that we must get together to reach out to go spread the message of the coming of the Lord but they were not interested.
There was a seaside near and Iooked at the water but the seawater was so dirty and I thought wow I never saw the sea this dirty. I walk back and on my way near the place there were fruit trees, but they all got like a disease they all die from the top and their branches are dry their leaves is hanging and most of it is dead. I walked back I went in this hall and all of a sudden I saw visions of faces infront of me, I hear the Lord spoke to me and tell me to pray for them because they are his lost sheep and I start praying and another face appear, and then the faces appear so fast and there were so many of them. And I felt Lord I can't handle all this and I just weep because there were just to much. I wakeup
1. unwiiling Church to spread Jesus message
2.dirty seawater - dirty world/ Church
3. sickfruit trees- people bare no fruit and the hopeless state of their lives
4 visions of faces: There are to little havesters.

Saints of God what are you busy with, ,Jesus told a woman that its time to preparer yourself to leave all that we own behind.
Start working for God and bring His haverst in.

Matt 22 God said the weddingfeast are ready but the people invited are not worthy of the honour.
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Definately a prophetic dream OP , I love the Lord but dont go to church anymore because here in the U.S. they dont tell the truth its all tounge and cheek ! Im glad I read this been thinking about God alot lately specaily since the U.S. is in such a tail spin God bless OP stay strong!
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Definately a prophetic dream OP , I love the Lord but dont go to church anymore because here in the U.S. they dont tell the truth its all tounge and cheek ! Im glad I read this been thinking about God alot lately specaily since the U.S. is in such a tail spin God bless OP stay strong!
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Thank you God bless Jesus said that we must go back to hoise churches
I can see you love the Lord, Church cant save you Jesus can, stay close to Him, pray for yoir friends and family tell them about Jesus and His coming.
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Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from?

Everything is about contrast.

Now concerning "The Word" vs "The scriptures"...

I'll give my reasons, why they are not the same. Below are a list of scriptures proving my point of view.

The word and the bible are NOT the same. Today we use the terms "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are the same thing.

The scriptures are true, but God, must make them real and alive to you, giving revelation of truth.

Although the bible is true, it has no life apart from God... We see this all throughout the OT and NT...

The Word; In the OT, it was "the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah". In the NT, it was "Peter rise and eat".

Today the so-called church has defined Christianity by "The Book". Why. Because they can control that, via their so-called doctrines, preaching, and one man shows.

They have refused for the longest time to let "THE BODY" of Christ minister to one another as the Spirit leads.

We should all say these words, "Speak Lord, here am I"...So that He may speak by His Spirit, but we don't. We confine God to "The Way" we do church, making him a slave to our agendas to our church services, our system.

History and the scriptures themselves prove this to be true.

During the dark ages, there was no printing press, and people couldn't read or write. Yet we know there were people who KNEW Christ, there was Madam Guyon, and Jean Nicholas Grou, just to name two.

Then of course the disciples couldn't read, but they had the living word, in flesh which was Christ. They lived by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God, as should we...

Jesus speaks of hearing much more than reading. He also condemns the Pharisees for looking to the scriptures, BUT not being willing to come to Him, the word of life.

We must come find a common denominator. In other words what gives us life. What allows for people to receive Christ, to experience Christ. It’s NOT The Bible:

The bible cannot be the one common denominator that leads us into all truth. Because many generations passed with people NOT having access to the scriptures, and many through out time could not read, so the inspiration has to be something else, something everyone could have access to in each age, and generation.

Jesus says my sheep hear my voice, man shall not live by bread alone.

So One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, above the leading of the Spirit, and above "The Spoken Word"…

The scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, but instead by the Spirit of promise, leading us into all truth

We would have two types of church, both are part of God's plan and draw a contrast with one another for all to see, in the unveiling. One church is led by the Spirit, hearing his voice, and then we have the other church, those reading and leaning only on "The book".

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, which is churchianity.

He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

So change is coming, we will see it soon, and when it happens, it will rip this so-called Christianity from the hands of these corrupt churches and there doctrines will become invalid.

Overnight their religious live will become irrelevant, Just like the pharisees became irrelevant when Jesus showed up. This will happen as we see the body of Christ manifest in our midst.

Light and darkness can not fellowship together, and God does not fellowship with darkness. It is not possible all of those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ.

But that encounter must take place...IF YOU want to know God.

You cannot fellowship with them, for where the Spirit of The Lord is, (in His people) that is the only place you can worship or fellowship.

You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and do church with all the people there.

I love the scriptures, I read them. I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known.

The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it. If we interpret it, we end up with a private interpretation.

The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them through the scriptures. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset.

To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. Maybe God opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive, and they became a "word" of God to you.

Lets make this more personal for clarity's sake.

The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, that you have to experienced God.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other.

Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about Moses, stating they were friends.

Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about, in the OT and the NT.

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God.

There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church.

From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", doctrines, theology, thoughts and ideas from the mind of men. This is not true of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How?

It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Could it be, that false Christianity is produced by the Bible. Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from? They got them from the mind of religious men, who got their ideas from the bible. Just like the pharisees.

Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church.

The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner.

The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); Now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him.

Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time. Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge.

We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they create laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines.

They also remove God's Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that deny the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

You may think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only to those of us who discernment It. It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated.

Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here.

Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life.

In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not.

God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, and all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone. "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible.

Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I believe the scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book".

We must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God. He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing. "Knowledge" OR "Life"...

Your Friend...

What some others have said:
He said to me "Because there is a deception in the church that is very subtle, but is robbing the church of its power." I cried out "Lord, what can this deception be"

He replied "They have called the Bible the word of God, but that name has been given to the One who is from the beginning."

SEARCHING THE SCRIPTURES

As I started reading through Scripture it was obvious that Jesus was and is The Word of God. The word “THE” is singular, meaning there is only one.


LOGOS OR RHEMA

At Bible College I was taught that the logo was the written word and rhema the quickened word.

In John chapter 1 where the Bible so plainly describes Jesus as being The Word of God the Greek word for 'word' is logos.

There is not an instance in all Scripture where the Bible is called The Word (or word) of God.


JESUS - THE WORD OF GOD

There are many instances in the Bible where The Word of God or The Word of The Lord is mentioned.

A couple that spring to mind immediately are:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh (Jesus), and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight, but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

The Word of God is the name, identity, title and honor given to Jesus alone. This is who He is. To call anything else The Word (or word) of God takes this away from Him.

If the Bible is the word of God, then God is four, not three. Father, Son (who is the Word Jn 1:14), the Holy Spirit and the word (Bible).

Scripture tells us 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


THE BIBLE - THE WORDS OF GOD

There is no justification for calling the Bible the word of God.

People have said to me that: All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and is therefore the word of God.

The Bible says differently:

Joh 3:34 For He whom God has sent speaks the Words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.

Rev 17:17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act with one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast until the Words of God will be fulfilled.

Below is a Scripture that is a bit different. Rhema is used for "My Words" which indicates fresh revelation such as you would expect from a living relationship with Jesus. If you hear what He is saying to you and are led and motivated by Him He will do what you ask of Him.

Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.


THE DIFFERENCE

According to Scripture, the Bible contains the words (plural) of God. This does not in any way detract from the title of The Word of God that belongs to Jesus.

The trouble is that because we are so used to calling the Bible The word of God we automatically think of the Bible when the word of God is mentioned. This is scripturally incorrect. It is second nature for so many of us to think of the Bible as the word of God we often give it the place that Jesus should have. The result is that we become Bible dependent rather than Jesus dependent.

We live in accordance with the Scriptures, which is good, but it leads us to depend on the Scriptures rather than the experiential life we should have with Jesus.

Consider the following Scriptures:

Psa 119:105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.
Psalm 119:105 is interpreted by many as the Bible being the lamp.

In fact, Jesus is the One who knows the beginning and the end. He is the Lamp unto my feet.

There are numerous instances right throughout the Bible where the Word of God came to various people giving instruction etc. I can assure you it wasn't the Bible that did that!

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I have heard many a sermon using this Scripture to justify calling the Bible the "Living Word". The Bible is however, unable to discern and I can assure you that it IS a book, inspired by God, made by man. Surely it is not hard to see this verse is talking about Jesus.

CONCLUSION

I have heard many good sermons, even excellent sermons, where the speaker has spoken of The Word of God, referring to the Bible. In every instance that I can recall, Jesus would have been glorified.



Scriptural Evidence the WORD OF GOD is not the Bible. by Jenny Duskey 1975

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God created the heaven and the earth by speaking, and what he spoke, as his Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, was his Word.

John wrote later:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

All things were made by the Word. They were not made by the scriptures, which were not there in the beginning but were themselves written later by people.

Moses spoke of the Word of God when he said to the people of Israel:

"For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it.

Moses was not speaking of the scriptures, for even the Old Testament had not yet been compiled; he did not mean only the words he himself had just spoken, for he knew that he was soon to die. He did not even mean the tablets of the commandments kept in the ark, because stone tablets could not be in the hearts and mouths of the people.

Moses meant the eternal Word of God, through which all things were created, which had come to him on Mt. Sinai, and which he now said was in the hearts of all the people of Israel as he urged them to hear it and do it.

The Word of God, what God speaks, has come to people in various ways (Heb. 1:1). The Word which was with God in the beginning and by which all things were created, of which Moses spoke, is the same Word which God spoke to Abraham, telling him to leave his home, to the other patriarchs, and to all the prophets, who prophesied only by the Word.

John continues:

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." This same Word, which was with God from the beginning, which was made flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.

When he spoke his teaching was the Word of God in him, the good news of the Kingdom which God had sent him to proclaim and which he embodied.

When "the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God" it was to hear this message he preached, not just the scriptures, which they could hear read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The seed which he was sowing and which his disciples are to sow and which will grow in the hearts of those who keep it is the Word of God.

Jesus does not use the phrase "word of God" to refer to the scriptures.

Usually, he says, "as it is written,” Sometimes he says as it was "spoken of by the prophet". Sometimes he simply uses the word "scriptures"

When Jesus uses the phrase "word of God" to refer to something in the scriptures, it is clear from the context that he means the word God spoke to someone, not the entire collection of scriptures.

For example, when he accuses the Pharisees of "making the word of God of none effect" the word of God means the specific commandment God spoke to Moses: "Honor thy father and thy mother," which Jesus has just quoted. He does not mean that the entire body of the scriptures was spoken by God;

Jesus warned that the scriptures are not sufficient to assure the presence of God's Word:

It is said over and over in the New Testament that the Word of God lives in God's people . . . and the word of God abideth in you.

The Word of God which lives in Christ's followers is none other than Christ and his Spirit.

The word is said to have powers which clearly belong to Christ and his Spirit.

Paul says to the elders of the church at Ephesus, "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. He goes on to say that the word of God is "the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints".

Later in the same letter Paul says "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" (Col. 3:16).

The letter to the Hebrews says: "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

James writes of "the en-grafted word, which is able to save your souls”.

Peter, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"
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The bible is the written word of god.

Religion is a farse.

The kingdom of god is within you. Seek and ye shall find.

The bible is an instruction manual for god's saints and prophets, it was never meant to be perverted by the doctrines of men.

Toss religion out the window, worship alone, pray for knowledge and understanding. No one can travel the road with you, the journey is solitary.
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John 6; 35-40 Jesus replied, I am the Bread of Life. He who comes to Me will never be hungry, and he who believes in and cleaves to trusts in and relies on Me will never thirst any more.
But I told you, although you have seen Me, still you do not believe and trust and have faith.
All whom My Father gives to Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out (I will never, no never, reject one of them who comes to Me)
For I have come down from Heaven not to do My own will and purpose but to do the will and purpose of Him who sent Me.
And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that I should not lose any of all that He has given Me, but that I should give new life and raise them all up the last day.
For this is My Father's will and His purpose, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in and cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Him should have eternal life, and will raise him up at the last day.
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thank you all awesome stuff people please read all of it God bless
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please post your dreams and visions here we will love to hear yours
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I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces.

Once my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. As early as 7yrs old I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What’s that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid.

I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say"

To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it through another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was Jesus, straight in front of me was the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big), three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl.

Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let’s go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?” I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that’s all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just “know” he’s suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). “Why don’t you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don’t drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God’s will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD!

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding). I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money. I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

This is why I believe we must have and will have change. As I search, I've come across a hand full of people that have the essence/smell of life and others who are just religious (relating to God only in their learning and mind), yet I yearn for true brethren and their fellowship, realizing that only God can cause these people to be gathered together and revealed to one another, and have them be in accord with one mind.

In contrast we never see this in churches, they are always attended by praying people, people arguing scriptures and doctrine, yet hardly ever displaying life as we see in the same revival periods. Yes I believe mercy, calls for a move of God again.

The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus". Being in his presence and service, is the key, Paul called this being a love slave, a life like Paul's multiplied thousands of times over will "again" cause the world to SEE and HEAR the TRUE gospel.

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"
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Hi Rod so nice to hear from you I still think this is the most amazing testimony I ever heard. Thank you for sharing this again. I just love it brother God bless keep on sharing.
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Blessings to you. Thank You for the kind words...

Will try and find a video, its only the audio portion of the greatest healing service I ever heard.




Hi Rod so nice to hear from you I still think this is the most amazing testimony I ever heard. Thank you for sharing this again. I just love it brother God bless keep on sharing.
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Witnesses said the man on the co was literally bones and skin, no muscle at all.

Then when the word was spoken to him to get up, muscle immediately formed and he was completely whole.

The crowd goes wild.



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The "church" is a misrepresentation of "gathering". When one or two are gathered, in HIS name. Let us gather before the Lord of the harvest.
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This man had seven visions about the end of the world. 5 have come true, 2 remain.

This is a meeting he spoke at in the 1960's. I spoke with 2 old men who knew William Branham, they were his friends.

This healing you are about hear in this video was his greatest.

Witnesses said the man on the cot was literally skin and bones, no muscle at all.

Then Branham spoken to him, telling him to get up!

Muscle immediately formed and he was completely whole.

The crowd goes wild! Hear it for yourself.




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Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from?

Everything is about contrast.

Now concerning "The Word" vs "The scriptures"...

I'll give my reasons, why they are not the same. Below are a list of scriptures proving my point of view.

The word and the bible are NOT the same. Today we use the terms "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are the same thing.

The scriptures are true, but God, must make them real and alive to you, giving revelation of truth.

Although the bible is true, it has no life apart from God... We see this all throughout the OT and NT...

The Word; In the OT, it was "the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah". In the NT, it was "Peter rise and eat".

Today the so-called church has defined Christianity by "The Book". Why. Because they can control that, via their so-called doctrines, preaching, and one man shows.

They have refused for the longest time to let "THE BODY" of Christ minister to one another as the Spirit leads.

We should all say these words, "Speak Lord, here am I"...So that He may speak by His Spirit, but we don't. We confine God to "The Way" we do church, making him a slave to our agendas to our church services, our system.

History and the scriptures themselves prove this to be true.

During the dark ages, there was no printing press, and people couldn't read or write. Yet we know there were people who KNEW Christ, there was Madam Guyon, and Jean Nicholas Grou, just to name two.

Then of course the disciples couldn't read, but they had the living word, in flesh which was Christ. They lived by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God, as should we...

Jesus speaks of hearing much more than reading. He also condemns the Pharisees for looking to the scriptures, BUT not being willing to come to Him, the word of life.

We must come find a common denominator. In other words what gives us life. What allows for people to receive Christ, to experience Christ. It’s NOT The Bible:

The bible cannot be the one common denominator that leads us into all truth. Because many generations passed with people NOT having access to the scriptures, and many through out time could not read, so the inspiration has to be something else, something everyone could have access to in each age, and generation.

Jesus says my sheep hear my voice, man shall not live by bread alone.

So One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, above the leading of the Spirit, and above "The Spoken Word"…

The scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, but instead by the Spirit of promise, leading us into all truth

We would have two types of church, both are part of God's plan and draw a contrast with one another for all to see, in the unveiling. One church is led by the Spirit, hearing his voice, and then we have the other church, those reading and leaning only on "The book".

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, which is churchianity.

He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

So change is coming, we will see it soon, and when it happens, it will rip this so-called Christianity from the hands of these corrupt churches and there doctrines will become invalid.

Overnight their religious live will become irrelevant, Just like the pharisees became irrelevant when Jesus showed up. This will happen as we see the body of Christ manifest in our midst.

Light and darkness can not fellowship together, and God does not fellowship with darkness. It is not possible all of those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ.

But that encounter must take place...IF YOU want to know God.

You cannot fellowship with them, for where the Spirit of The Lord is, (in His people) that is the only place you can worship or fellowship.

You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and do church with all the people there.

I love the scriptures, I read them. I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known.

The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it. If we interpret it, we end up with a private interpretation.

The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them through the scriptures. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset.

To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. Maybe God opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive, and they became a "word" of God to you.

Lets make this more personal for clarity's sake.

The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, that you have to experienced God.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other.

Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about Moses, stating they were friends.

Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about, in the OT and the NT.

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God.

There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church.

From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", doctrines, theology, thoughts and ideas from the mind of men. This is not true of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How?

It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Could it be, that false Christianity is produced by the Bible. Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from? They got them from the mind of religious men, who got their ideas from the bible. Just like the pharisees.

Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church.

The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner.

The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); Now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him.

Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time. Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge.

We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they create laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines.

They also remove God's Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that deny the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

You may think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only to those of us who discernment It. It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated.

Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here.

Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life.

In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not.

God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, and all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone. "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible.

Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I believe the scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book".

We must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God. He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing. "Knowledge" OR "Life"...

Your Friend...

What some others have said:
He said to me "Because there is a deception in the church that is very subtle, but is robbing the church of its power." I cried out "Lord, what can this deception be"

He replied "They have called the Bible the word of God, but that name has been given to the One who is from the beginning."

SEARCHING THE SCRIPTURES

As I started reading through Scripture it was obvious that Jesus was and is The Word of God. The word “THE” is singular, meaning there is only one.


LOGOS OR RHEMA

At Bible College I was taught that the logo was the written word and rhema the quickened word.

In John chapter 1 where the Bible so plainly describes Jesus as being The Word of God the Greek word for 'word' is logos.

There is not an instance in all Scripture where the Bible is called The Word (or word) of God.


JESUS - THE WORD OF GOD

There are many instances in the Bible where The Word of God or The Word of The Lord is mentioned.

A couple that spring to mind immediately are:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh (Jesus), and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight, but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

The Word of God is the name, identity, title and honor given to Jesus alone. This is who He is. To call anything else The Word (or word) of God takes this away from Him.

If the Bible is the word of God, then God is four, not three. Father, Son (who is the Word Jn 1:14), the Holy Spirit and the word (Bible).

Scripture tells us 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


THE BIBLE - THE WORDS OF GOD

There is no justification for calling the Bible the word of God.

People have said to me that: All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and is therefore the word of God.

The Bible says differently:

Joh 3:34 For He whom God has sent speaks the Words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.

Rev 17:17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act with one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast until the Words of God will be fulfilled.

Below is a Scripture that is a bit different. Rhema is used for "My Words" which indicates fresh revelation such as you would expect from a living relationship with Jesus. If you hear what He is saying to you and are led and motivated by Him He will do what you ask of Him.

Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.


THE DIFFERENCE

According to Scripture, the Bible contains the words (plural) of God. This does not in any way detract from the title of The Word of God that belongs to Jesus.

The trouble is that because we are so used to calling the Bible The word of God we automatically think of the Bible when the word of God is mentioned. This is scripturally incorrect. It is second nature for so many of us to think of the Bible as the word of God we often give it the place that Jesus should have. The result is that we become Bible dependent rather than Jesus dependent.

We live in accordance with the Scriptures, which is good, but it leads us to depend on the Scriptures rather than the experiential life we should have with Jesus.

Consider the following Scriptures:

Psa 119:105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.
Psalm 119:105 is interpreted by many as the Bible being the lamp.

In fact, Jesus is the One who knows the beginning and the end. He is the Lamp unto my feet.

There are numerous instances right throughout the Bible where the Word of God came to various people giving instruction etc. I can assure you it wasn't the Bible that did that!

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I have heard many a sermon using this Scripture to justify calling the Bible the "Living Word". The Bible is however, unable to discern and I can assure you that it IS a book, inspired by God, made by man. Surely it is not hard to see this verse is talking about Jesus.

CONCLUSION

I have heard many good sermons, even excellent sermons, where the speaker has spoken of The Word of God, referring to the Bible. In every instance that I can recall, Jesus would have been glorified.



Scriptural Evidence the WORD OF GOD is not the Bible. by Jenny Duskey 1975

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God created the heaven and the earth by speaking, and what he spoke, as his Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, was his Word.

John wrote later:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

All things were made by the Word. They were not made by the scriptures, which were not there in the beginning but were themselves written later by people.

Moses spoke of the Word of God when he said to the people of Israel:

"For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it.

Moses was not speaking of the scriptures, for even the Old Testament had not yet been compiled; he did not mean only the words he himself had just spoken, for he knew that he was soon to die. He did not even mean the tablets of the commandments kept in the ark, because stone tablets could not be in the hearts and mouths of the people.

Moses meant the eternal Word of God, through which all things were created, which had come to him on Mt. Sinai, and which he now said was in the hearts of all the people of Israel as he urged them to hear it and do it.

The Word of God, what God speaks, has come to people in various ways (Heb. 1:1). The Word which was with God in the beginning and by which all things were created, of which Moses spoke, is the same Word which God spoke to Abraham, telling him to leave his home, to the other patriarchs, and to all the prophets, who prophesied only by the Word.

John continues:

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." This same Word, which was with God from the beginning, which was made flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.

When he spoke his teaching was the Word of God in him, the good news of the Kingdom which God had sent him to proclaim and which he embodied.

When "the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God" it was to hear this message he preached, not just the scriptures, which they could hear read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The seed which he was sowing and which his disciples are to sow and which will grow in the hearts of those who keep it is the Word of God.

Jesus does not use the phrase "word of God" to refer to the scriptures.

Usually, he says, "as it is written,” Sometimes he says as it was "spoken of by the prophet". Sometimes he simply uses the word "scriptures"

When Jesus uses the phrase "word of God" to refer to something in the scriptures, it is clear from the context that he means the word God spoke to someone, not the entire collection of scriptures.

For example, when he accuses the Pharisees of "making the word of God of none effect" the word of God means the specific commandment God spoke to Moses: "Honor thy father and thy mother," which Jesus has just quoted. He does not mean that the entire body of the scriptures was spoken by God;

Jesus warned that the scriptures are not sufficient to assure the presence of God's Word:

It is said over and over in the New Testament that the Word of God lives in God's people . . . and the word of God abideth in you.

The Word of God which lives in Christ's followers is none other than Christ and his Spirit.

The word is said to have powers which clearly belong to Christ and his Spirit.

Paul says to the elders of the church at Ephesus, "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. He goes on to say that the word of God is "the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints".

Later in the same letter Paul says "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" (Col. 3:16).

The letter to the Hebrews says: "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

James writes of "the en-grafted word, which is able to save your souls”.

Peter, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"
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wow oh wow, you have hit the nail on the head so to speak. a pity you do not live here in australia i would love to fellowship with you. you are a blessing. thanks
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Every since the end of the NT church (last apostle), "MEN" have been able to copy the church, or the move of God.

But not this time. Even today many hold positions of power and authority in our modern day churches, some are priests, pastors, teachers, and leaders.

Many are respected, and sincere. Some decided at a young age to become priests, and church leaders.

They went to seminaries, and schools of higher learning, much like one may choose to go to dental school, yet they don't know Jesus.

They read the right books, they read their bibles, they pray, they lead church assemblies.

Basically they copy everything you and I do in our day to day lives as Christians.

When the first revealing came, it started with Luther. God revealed grace to Luther. Many opposed him, and many jumped on the band wagon.

Many men found themselves in agreement with Luther, they agreed in their mind, but very many of them, as we see today, never knew Jesus.

These movements turned into divisions (denominations). This has continued even until today.

Men will part friendships, or treat you differently if you question the doctrines they hold dearly. There is no freedom for you to believe one way and me another.

One day I'm your brother because I agree with you, and then the next day, I voice a differing opinion, and the next thing I know your treating me just a little bit differently.

That's why I say, and have said even in your church; I will never part ways with a brother or divide with a brother over doctrines. The higher command is to Love.

But the Ecklesia can't divide, for she is going to hear the same thing, she didn't put herself into the body of Christ, and she can't take herself out of the body of Christ.

But this next move will not be copied. Those who hear will find themselves distinguished from those who don't hear.

You either hear Him or you won't. You can't fake that. You can't copy what is coming.
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This man had seven visions about the end of the world. 5 have come true, 2 remain.

This is a meeting he spoke at in the 1960's. I spoke with 2 old men who knew William Branham, they were his friends.

This healing you are about hear in this video was his greatest.

Witnesses said the man on the cot was literally skin and bones, no muscle at all.

Then Branham spoken to him, telling him to get up!

Muscle immediately formed and he was completely whole.

The crowd goes wild! Hear it for yourself.




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Wow thank you awesome stuff!!
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The "church" is a misrepresentation of "gathering". When one or two are gathered, in HIS name. Let us gather before the Lord of the harvest.
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This is true I agree we need to stay on our knees for the church and people that 's in church that follow man and not Jesus Matt 23 -13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders. For you shut the kingdom of Heaven in men's faces; for you neither enter yourselves, nor do you allow those who are about to go in to do so.
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In the wilderness a young man cries. Who will heed his warning? Stars begin to dance across the skies. The earth goes into mourning.




I remember strange things happening when I went to church after running away for so many years due to darkness. I decided to do it for god as a sacrifice. Next thing I know, a pastor is doing a special prayer. He laid hands on me. I believe my mother who is extremely gifted did as well. If anyone else did I am not aware of it. Next thing I know is that I seem to have dark enemies everywhere. Witches seem to have been trying to attack me around the time. Angel like creatures seem to have appeared in the skies. It seems that they protect me. I had a dream. I shall try to explain it as I remember it. Maybe you could pray to god about who I may be. In the dream I had a message of some sort. There was a lot of tall trees, like we were deep in the woods. All around I saw these poor little homes. The poverty seemed great. I would try to tell my message to many many people but they would not listen. All ages from seniors to children. They would mock and laugh in disbelief. When I got to the little child, it dared not believe. Next thing I know is stars begin to dance across the skies. Like shooting stars or moving constelations. Maybe both. I think they were angels. Well, all the trees to the left and right caught on fire. I went into the really really big wealthy looking white building in the center. It was so big I think it was taller than the trees. Well, inside and out there was no signs of flames. However, I was searching desperately for something I believe in my mothers closet. Then I awoke. Ever since I have been in like panic mode. I have been mourning and weeping constantly. Trying to warn everyone.
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The "church" is a misrepresentation of "gathering". When one or two are gathered, in HIS name. Let us gather before the Lord of the harvest.
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This is true I agree we need to stay on our knees for the church and people that 's in church that follow man and not Jesus Matt 23 -13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders. For you shut the kingdom of Heaven in men's faces; for you neither enter yourselves, nor do you allow those who are about to go in to do so.
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May the Lord be Lord, may we be yoked to HIM through truth, not fear, but awe, discovering who we are as HE moves. Evolving, with the water of life and fruit of the tree of life and we are branches and leaves of that tree, each in their order. And every man yoked to one another in the Christ, the sacrificed lamb and who was a model for us in this time. However you are led to this, this unites you, along with all of creation that stands before the throne, interceding one for another worship in truth and all of creation "such that none should perish, and all come to everlasting life" Somehow we all have a part to play in this. But it is HIS part, for HIS pleasure. And yours even though at times this is difficult to understand. It will be right in the end, that is HIS promise. And HE is not a breaker of promises, like HIS Christ who IS not a breaker of promises but the word made flesh, the whole of the law made son of man, or truth to live by while in this mortal part. That the prophets told about and the early gatherings recorded. The whole of it nothing can touch, not even a lie.
Test all things. Beware of the leaven of the pharisees, a little spoils the lot. When the first liar beguiled eve by confusing her, with the seed of lie, that allowed sin.
Consider the parable of the Good Samaritan. And baseline of the Christ. And the law given in the desert. Love the Lord your God with all and neighbour as self. Is it not this simple? Efficiency. Agreement, increase, alignment, resonance. In order to love your neighbour you must die to self, dying to self makes one evolve, this produces fruit, in its season (the result of elimination of corrupt data). It is willful progression towards truth overcoming fear in itself and helps build our inner man that effects our outer skin. Or rather, we run towards the prize. There is greater synergy. We move faster and closer … let HIS will be done for it is good, Let there be agreement in earth and heaven.
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WE LIVE BY FAITH in Jesus NOT BY SIGHT
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That is not important.
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Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from?

Everything is about contrast.

Now concerning "The Word" vs "The scriptures"...

I'll give my reasons, why they are not the same. Below are a list of scriptures proving my point of view.

The word and the bible are NOT the same. Today we use the terms "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are the same thing.

The scriptures are true, but God, must make them real and alive to you, giving revelation of truth.

Although the bible is true, it has no life apart from God... We see this all throughout the OT and NT...

The Word; In the OT, it was "the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah". In the NT, it was "Peter rise and eat".

Today the so-called church has defined Christianity by "The Book". Why. Because they can control that, via their so-called doctrines, preaching, and one man shows.

They have refused for the longest time to let "THE BODY" of Christ minister to one another as the Spirit leads.

We should all say these words, "Speak Lord, here am I"...So that He may speak by His Spirit, but we don't. We confine God to "The Way" we do church, making him a slave to our agendas to our church services, our system.

History and the scriptures themselves prove this to be true.

During the dark ages, there was no printing press, and people couldn't read or write. Yet we know there were people who KNEW Christ, there was Madam Guyon, and Jean Nicholas Grou, just to name two.

Then of course the disciples couldn't read, but they had the living word, in flesh which was Christ. They lived by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God, as should we...

Jesus speaks of hearing much more than reading. He also condemns the Pharisees for looking to the scriptures, BUT not being willing to come to Him, the word of life.

We must come find a common denominator. In other words what gives us life. What allows for people to receive Christ, to experience Christ. It’s NOT The Bible:

The bible cannot be the one common denominator that leads us into all truth. Because many generations passed with people NOT having access to the scriptures, and many through out time could not read, so the inspiration has to be something else, something everyone could have access to in each age, and generation.

Jesus says my sheep hear my voice, man shall not live by bread alone.

So One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, above the leading of the Spirit, and above "The Spoken Word"…

The scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, but instead by the Spirit of promise, leading us into all truth

We would have two types of church, both are part of God's plan and draw a contrast with one another for all to see, in the unveiling. One church is led by the Spirit, hearing his voice, and then we have the other church, those reading and leaning only on "The book".

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, which is churchianity.

He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

So change is coming, we will see it soon, and when it happens, it will rip this so-called Christianity from the hands of these corrupt churches and there doctrines will become invalid.

Overnight their religious live will become irrelevant, Just like the pharisees became irrelevant when Jesus showed up. This will happen as we see the body of Christ manifest in our midst.

Light and darkness can not fellowship together, and God does not fellowship with darkness. It is not possible all of those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ.

But that encounter must take place...IF YOU want to know God.

You cannot fellowship with them, for where the Spirit of The Lord is, (in His people) that is the only place you can worship or fellowship.

You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and do church with all the people there.

I love the scriptures, I read them. I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known.

The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it. If we interpret it, we end up with a private interpretation.

The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them through the scriptures. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset.

To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere. Maybe God opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive, and they became a "word" of God to you.

Lets make this more personal for clarity's sake.

The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, that you have to experienced God.

It would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other.

Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about Moses, stating they were friends.

Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about, in the OT and the NT.

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God.

There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church.

From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", doctrines, theology, thoughts and ideas from the mind of men. This is not true of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How?

It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Could it be, that false Christianity is produced by the Bible. Where did the seed sown by the enemy get their religious ideas from? They got them from the mind of religious men, who got their ideas from the bible. Just like the pharisees.

Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church.

The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner.

The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); Now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him.

Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time. Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge.

We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they create laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines.

They also remove God's Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that deny the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Spirit.

You may think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only to those of us who discernment It. It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated.

Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here.

Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life.

In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not.

God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, and all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone. "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible.

Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I believe the scriptures, are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the Jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book".

We must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God. He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing. "Knowledge" OR "Life"...

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What some others have said:
He said to me "Because there is a deception in the church that is very subtle, but is robbing the church of its power." I cried out "Lord, what can this deception be"

He replied "They have called the Bible the word of God, but that name has been given to the One who is from the beginning."

SEARCHING THE SCRIPTURES

As I started reading through Scripture it was obvious that Jesus was and is The Word of God. The word “THE” is singular, meaning there is only one.


LOGOS OR RHEMA

At Bible College I was taught that the logo was the written word and rhema the quickened word.

In John chapter 1 where the Bible so plainly describes Jesus as being The Word of God the Greek word for 'word' is logos.

There is not an instance in all Scripture where the Bible is called The Word (or word) of God.


JESUS - THE WORD OF GOD

There are many instances in the Bible where The Word of God or The Word of The Lord is mentioned.

A couple that spring to mind immediately are:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh (Jesus), and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight, but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

The Word of God is the name, identity, title and honor given to Jesus alone. This is who He is. To call anything else The Word (or word) of God takes this away from Him.

If the Bible is the word of God, then God is four, not three. Father, Son (who is the Word Jn 1:14), the Holy Spirit and the word (Bible).

Scripture tells us 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


THE BIBLE - THE WORDS OF GOD

There is no justification for calling the Bible the word of God.

People have said to me that: All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and is therefore the word of God.

The Bible says differently:

Joh 3:34 For He whom God has sent speaks the Words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.

Rev 17:17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act with one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast until the Words of God will be fulfilled.

Below is a Scripture that is a bit different. Rhema is used for "My Words" which indicates fresh revelation such as you would expect from a living relationship with Jesus. If you hear what He is saying to you and are led and motivated by Him He will do what you ask of Him.

Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.


THE DIFFERENCE

According to Scripture, the Bible contains the words (plural) of God. This does not in any way detract from the title of The Word of God that belongs to Jesus.

The trouble is that because we are so used to calling the Bible The word of God we automatically think of the Bible when the word of God is mentioned. This is scripturally incorrect. It is second nature for so many of us to think of the Bible as the word of God we often give it the place that Jesus should have. The result is that we become Bible dependent rather than Jesus dependent.

We live in accordance with the Scriptures, which is good, but it leads us to depend on the Scriptures rather than the experiential life we should have with Jesus.

Consider the following Scriptures:

Psa 119:105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.
Psalm 119:105 is interpreted by many as the Bible being the lamp.

In fact, Jesus is the One who knows the beginning and the end. He is the Lamp unto my feet.

There are numerous instances right throughout the Bible where the Word of God came to various people giving instruction etc. I can assure you it wasn't the Bible that did that!

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I have heard many a sermon using this Scripture to justify calling the Bible the "Living Word". The Bible is however, unable to discern and I can assure you that it IS a book, inspired by God, made by man. Surely it is not hard to see this verse is talking about Jesus.

CONCLUSION

I have heard many good sermons, even excellent sermons, where the speaker has spoken of The Word of God, referring to the Bible. In every instance that I can recall, Jesus would have been glorified.



Scriptural Evidence the WORD OF GOD is not the Bible. by Jenny Duskey 1975

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God created the heaven and the earth by speaking, and what he spoke, as his Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, was his Word.

John wrote later:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

All things were made by the Word. They were not made by the scriptures, which were not there in the beginning but were themselves written later by people.

Moses spoke of the Word of God when he said to the people of Israel:

"For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it.

Moses was not speaking of the scriptures, for even the Old Testament had not yet been compiled; he did not mean only the words he himself had just spoken, for he knew that he was soon to die. He did not even mean the tablets of the commandments kept in the ark, because stone tablets could not be in the hearts and mouths of the people.

Moses meant the eternal Word of God, through which all things were created, which had come to him on Mt. Sinai, and which he now said was in the hearts of all the people of Israel as he urged them to hear it and do it.

The Word of God, what God speaks, has come to people in various ways (Heb. 1:1). The Word which was with God in the beginning and by which all things were created, of which Moses spoke, is the same Word which God spoke to Abraham, telling him to leave his home, to the other patriarchs, and to all the prophets, who prophesied only by the Word.

John continues:

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." This same Word, which was with God from the beginning, which was made flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.

When he spoke his teaching was the Word of God in him, the good news of the Kingdom which God had sent him to proclaim and which he embodied.

When "the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God" it was to hear this message he preached, not just the scriptures, which they could hear read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The seed which he was sowing and which his disciples are to sow and which will grow in the hearts of those who keep it is the Word of God.

Jesus does not use the phrase "word of God" to refer to the scriptures.

Usually, he says, "as it is written,” Sometimes he says as it was "spoken of by the prophet". Sometimes he simply uses the word "scriptures"

When Jesus uses the phrase "word of God" to refer to something in the scriptures, it is clear from the context that he means the word God spoke to someone, not the entire collection of scriptures.

For example, when he accuses the Pharisees of "making the word of God of none effect" the word of God means the specific commandment God spoke to Moses: "Honor thy father and thy mother," which Jesus has just quoted. He does not mean that the entire body of the scriptures was spoken by God;

Jesus warned that the scriptures are not sufficient to assure the presence of God's Word:

It is said over and over in the New Testament that the Word of God lives in God's people . . . and the word of God abideth in you.

The Word of God which lives in Christ's followers is none other than Christ and his Spirit.

The word is said to have powers which clearly belong to Christ and his Spirit.

Paul says to the elders of the church at Ephesus, "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. He goes on to say that the word of God is "the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints".

Later in the same letter Paul says "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" (Col. 3:16).

The letter to the Hebrews says: "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

James writes of "the en-grafted word, which is able to save your souls”.

Peter, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"
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