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JUST-IN: American Airlines and US Airways Announce Merger

 
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Another Federal corporation. It's all arms of the government.
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Come on NPR carried thid story last week even...... BREAKING, Breaking, breaking as of last week. s226
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I am not here to argue who was better, but if you look at your past, Continental went bankrupt two times, and in 2008, Continental cut 3000 jobs, reduced salaries, and retired many aircraft. Your employees were screwed with those moves.

I can see where United made mistakes. I used to serve filet mignon dinners, complete with appetizers and desserts on short flights... such as, to and from Chicago to Newark to first class customers. That was ridiculous. Millions of dollars was wasted on food. Half the people didn't even eat, and food was tossed. Economy passengers were also served a hot meal. That was the way United operated.

On flights to and from EWR to LAX or SFO, we had shrimp cocktail for appetizers, carved roasts, filet mignon, etc. If we had 10 empty seats in first class...that was 10 wasted meals. In fact, on the transcontinental flights, all customers, whether first class, or economy, were served two hot meals...at no cost. Today, first class gets very little, and economy pays for cold food.

One time, I spent a layover with Southwest pilots and flight attendants in LAX. They could not believe that we served FOOD on our flights. They served peanuts. It was then that I realized why Southwest was doing so well financially....at least where the cost of food was concerned. They also were paid less than our pilots and flight attendants. As a flight attendant, I retired making $45 an hour, plus I was paid well for meals on layovers. On a Tokyo layover, I would get about $400.00 per trip (32 hour layover) whether I ate or not.

Also, apparently you are not familiar with the old United employee benefits either. Everyone, including retirees, had 24 companion passes per year. All companions paid for their seats (reduced fare), and of course, we all flew standby, as it is today. Today, because of Continental's rules, there are no more companion passes, so they are losing money because seats that companions paid for are empty. I do get to choose two "friends or relatives" who fly like I do...all free, but I still think we should get companion passes.

Not sure when you will retire, but you will see what I mean.
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We still get 24 buddy passes a year, to give to anybody we want.
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I am not here to argue who was better, but if you look at your past, Continental went bankrupt two times, and in 2008, Continental cut 3000 jobs, reduced salaries, and retired many aircraft. Your employees were screwed with those moves.

I can see where United made mistakes. I used to serve filet mignon dinners, complete with appetizers and desserts on short flights... such as, to and from Chicago to Newark to first class customers. That was ridiculous. Millions of dollars was wasted on food. Half the people didn't even eat, and food was tossed. Economy passengers were also served a hot meal. That was the way United operated.

On flights to and from EWR to LAX or SFO, we had shrimp cocktail for appetizers, carved roasts, filet mignon, etc. If we had 10 empty seats in first class...that was 10 wasted meals. In fact, on the transcontinental flights, all customers, whether first class, or economy, were served two hot meals...at no cost. Today, first class gets very little, and economy pays for cold food.

One time, I spent a layover with Southwest pilots and flight attendants in LAX. They could not believe that we served FOOD on our flights. They served peanuts. It was then that I realized why Southwest was doing so well financially....at least where the cost of food was concerned. They also were paid less than our pilots and flight attendants. As a flight attendant, I retired making $45 an hour, plus I was paid well for meals on layovers. On a Tokyo layover, I would get about $400.00 per trip (32 hour layover) whether I ate or not.

Also, apparently you are not familiar with the old United employee benefits either. Everyone, including retirees, had 24 companion passes per year. All companions paid for their seats (reduced fare), and of course, we all flew standby, as it is today. Today, because of Continental's rules, there are no more companion passes, so they are losing money because seats that companions paid for are empty. I do get to choose two "friends or relatives" who fly like I do...all free, but I still think we should get companion passes.

Not sure when you will retire, but you will see what I mean.
 Quoting: nutmeg


We still get 24 buddy passes a year, to give to anybody we want.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3057359


Retirees don't. So that means employees with a high seniority, who like those benefits, are not retiring as fast as they once did. (That's what we've heard). That means you have no chance to advance in seniority.

I have friends working for United, who have offered to give me their buddy passes since they never travel, so I'm lucky and not hurting, but other retirees don't have that privilege.

Also, rumor goes that the airline will be cutting health benefits for retirees. This doesn't affect me, as I have military spouse healthcare benefits, but it will affect others.

Last Edited by nutmeg on 02/14/2013 01:59 PM
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Kinda like B of A buying Countrywide back in the day...
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Government Airways is now boarding
 Quoting: BossPickupTrucks 33245673


And government run operations are always profitable.


It's called a flag carrier, Air France is a perfect example of what to expect when your country subsidized travel. (remember the Air France pilot asking passengers for gas money)? I'll even cite the article:

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Maybe when travel grinds to a halt the TSA will become obsolete?, at least in the airports.
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Government Airways is now boarding
 Quoting: BossPickupTrucks 33245673


And government run operations are always profitable.


It's called a flag carrier, Air France is a perfect example of what to expect when your country subsidized travel. (remember the Air France pilot asking passengers for gas money)? I'll even cite the article:

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Maybe when travel grinds to a halt the TSA will become obsolete?, at least in the airports.
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BTW this would never be considered an ANTI-TRUST issue, not in Amerika.
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AMERICAN, US AIRWAYS ANNOUNCE $11 BILLION MERGER

DALLAS (AP) — American Airlines and US Airways say they have agreed to merge in an $11 billion deal to create the world's biggest airline.

The combined carrier will be called American Airlines but run by US Airways CEO Doug Parker.

The boards of the two airlines unanimously approved the deal late Wednesday, and the companies announced the agreement Thursday.

The merger would reduce the number of major U.S. airlines to four: the new American, United, Delta and Southwest.


[link to bigstory.ap.org]
 Quoting: DoorBert




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I retired in 2003, but I have 36 years seniority with the original "United Airlines." Although we merged with Continental, it is still called "United," but it is run by Continental CEO Jeff Smizek, who had six months experience as CEO of Continental before the big merger in 2010. All other VIP's are from Continental. Everything is run their way.

United and Continental, more or less, worked as separate airlines, with separate computer systems, until March, 2012, when they officially changed to the Continental way of doing things, and I've heard that it was a disaster. They switched to Continental's antiquated computer system and all hell broke loose.

"....after spending months preparing for the change — including training about 15,000 employees on the new software — United said on Sunday that technical issues had flared up at airports across the system, causing delays."
[link to www.nbcnews.com]

I heard that employees were angry, and we lost a lot of customers throughout the past year because of delays, cancellations, and disgruntled employees. Continental flight attendants and pilots refused to call the new airline "United" in their inflight announcements. They would refer to it as "Continental." Customers recognized the animosity.

The "new" airline has approximately 5,675 daily flights to 372 airports on six continents. The funny thing thing is, I have read numerous complaints from customers online saying they want the old "Continental" back...that they like the way it was run, and they never liked United. Little do they know that the new "United" is managed solely by Continental. LOL
 Quoting: nutmeg


I worked for continental for some time now, we had to do things our way, the old united way is what made your company bankrupt. ESOP anyone?hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8549154


By the way....I was a flight attendant, and flight attendants were not involved with ESOP. We didn't have to take a cut in pay. I do know that those employees who did were not happy. They took pay cuts while the CEO and senior management got raises and million dollar bonuses! Corporate Greed!

Here's a great article explaining how the typical employee feels about "owning a company," and it explains that ESOP was not solely responsible for United having problems. It points out that there are companies who have ESOP and are successful.

"But what United’s failure shows, Kurland says, is that workers have not yet adapted to their true calling, which is as owners. Americans too often measure their worth by the size of their biweekly paychecks, not by the wealth they’re accumulating in capital. For this, he blames labor unions, who get their power from wages, and he blames management, who often think of their workers as being as dispensable as machines."
[link to www.salon.com]

Last Edited by nutmeg on 02/14/2013 04:53 PM
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Big news! Thanks for sharing it.
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