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The Foundation of the Spiritual Universe is Stillness ~ The Foundation of the Physical Universe is Motion

 
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
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How do you know your thoughts are your thoughts? Who puts the thoughts there, where do they come from?
 Quoting: WindyMind


Consciousness. Source. The One. God. Whatever you want to call it. Just like nested toruses, one torus containing memories of the ones inside it, not the ones above it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


"Loose lips sink ships."

And sloppy words result in people being killed.

There are different sources of thoughts: those from the 'fallen' dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker' and those from the non-dualistic dimension of consciousness Created by God.

"As high as the heavens are above the earth are My thoughts above your thoughts..." Chapter 55:9 of the Book of Isaiah.

Michael
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You won't defeat anything if you play on their frequency.
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Haha, what you don't see is that I'm taking others with me.

I don't have many friends that will play this game with me.

So I make them.

First, the basics like seducing women, how the markets mark us, con us (spanglish) and accepting they stole proper love from us.

Then I usually try to ask them about god or technology or quantum physics or molecular biology but I've lost many a friend by pushing them too close to the edge...

That's why I'm lucky to have you guys.<3


This is round infinity.

Winner takes all. Perception as your trophy.

It is the pattern light resides in. Each in other defined in opposite. It is apparent as the skin it vibrates through.

Cheers
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


There is something to be found and said for each side.

There is ultimate knowing in darkness.
There is ultimate being in light.

One side isn't worth it and will spend forever trying to convince you it is.
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You are too entrapped in the experience and too identified with the story lines and the human made definitions of dualism.
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How do you know your thoughts are your thoughts? Who puts the thoughts there, where do they come from?
 Quoting: WindyMind


Consciousness. Source. The One. God. Whatever you want to call it. Just like nested toruses, one torus containing memories of the ones inside it, not the ones above it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


"Loose lips sink ships."

And sloppy words result in people being killed.

There are different sources of thoughts: those from the 'fallen' dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker' and those from the non-dualistic dimension of consciousness Created by God.

"As high as the heavens are above the earth are My thoughts above your thoughts..." Chapter 55:9 of the Book of Isaiah.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Mirror, Mirror
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The bricks get laid,
and they get torn up,
and laid again,
but the bricks always get torn up again.

Your friends won't wait,
so don't believe that shit,
when they say they'll wait.
Trust me: your friends will not wait for you.
Then you'll be stoned in some park,
just nodding your head and pinching your arms,
when a girl walks along.
She's humming your song,
with your t-shirt on.
that's when you're done,
Oh, that's when you're done...

There's a cotton crush,
down in the southern states.
But back up here, man, we've got
so much thread and space
to waste, waste, waste.


 Quoting: Septenary Man


Damn, I really like that.

Don't get your 'that's how you like to take credit anyways' comment.

It was for you! I hoped you would?

Sorry. I try to use your idioms so you conceptualize that much more simply. Sometimes language is harder than others realize.

Would give credit make more sense to you?

I said I'd need currency for real exchange.

I'm still waiting to talk with you about the game.

The one you swear you're not playing. The one you can't lose.
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
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Quite a few, actually. Many beings are waking up now.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


Don't be fooled. There is a difference between waking up to there is something more and awakening. Most ppl think they are awakened the moment they wake up to "that there is something more." Sometimes ppl receive a glimpse of the oneness and immediately think they are enlightened. It is true that more light is coming in to support spiritual advancement, but most are little babies in awe when they perceive a glimpse of magnificent existence and immediately apply their habits of owning those experiences and call themselves awake. In truth, they know nothing....yet :) The transcended ones are very few.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Everyone will wake up eventually and each ones path is different. So what someone gets a glimpse and thinks they are enlightened. So what they don't know much yet. I look at my own path and see how many times I have stumbled or mistook/mispreceived an experience and yet I regret nothing because it has brought me to where I am now...and that is not even the end. I will continue to wake up always and All ways. And so will everyone else. We all go back home eventually. It matters not at all how we get there.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


I wouldn't be so sure that everyone will get home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


That's okay...you don't have to be.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


This is usually what people say when they have no Knowledge of a subject; that it is nothing more than "semantics".

"Semantics" about the Doctrine of "resurrection" got tens of thousands of Albigensians and millions of Jews slaughtered over several hundred years of Christian anti-Semitism.

If you don't understand the origin of what I am talking about, why not just say that you don't understand or you don't believe, rather than calling it "semantics"?

If you say you don't believe it, fine by me.

But, when you call it "semantics" you are merely magnifying your lack of Knowledge.

Michael

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How do you know your thoughts are your thoughts? Who puts the thoughts there, where do they come from?
 Quoting: WindyMind


Consciousness. Source. The One. God. Whatever you want to call it. Just like nested toruses, one torus containing memories of the ones inside it, not the ones above it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


"Loose lips sink ships."

And sloppy words result in people being killed.

There are different sources of thoughts: those from the 'fallen' dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker' and those from the non-dualistic dimension of consciousness Created by God.

"As high as the heavens are above the earth are My thoughts above your thoughts..." Chapter 55:9 of the Book of Isaiah.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


And too many intelligent words keep you trapped in mind.
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How do you know your thoughts are your thoughts? Who puts the thoughts there, where do they come from?
 Quoting: WindyMind


Consciousness. Source. The One. God. Whatever you want to call it. Just like nested toruses, one torus containing memories of the ones inside it, not the ones above it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


"Loose lips sink ships."

And sloppy words result in people being killed.

There are different sources of thoughts: those from the 'fallen' dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker' and those from the non-dualistic dimension of consciousness Created by God.

"As high as the heavens are above the earth are My thoughts above your thoughts..." Chapter 55:9 of the Book of Isaiah.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


And too many intelligent words keep you trapped in mind.
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Don't be fooled. There is a difference between waking up to there is something more and awakening. Most ppl think they are awakened the moment they wake up to "that there is something more." Sometimes ppl receive a glimpse of the oneness and immediately think they are enlightened. It is true that more light is coming in to support spiritual advancement, but most are little babies in awe when they perceive a glimpse of magnificent existence and immediately apply their habits of owning those experiences and call themselves awake. In truth, they know nothing....yet :) The transcended ones are very few.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Everyone will wake up eventually and each ones path is different. So what someone gets a glimpse and thinks they are enlightened. So what they don't know much yet. I look at my own path and see how many times I have stumbled or mistook/mispreceived an experience and yet I regret nothing because it has brought me to where I am now...and that is not even the end. I will continue to wake up always and All ways. And so will everyone else. We all go back home eventually. It matters not at all how we get there.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


I wouldn't be so sure that everyone will get home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


That's okay...you don't have to be.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


...and everyone keeps dreaming their dream. Maybe some do not want to go home because they like it here. Ever heard of free will?
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


One of the fundamental assumptions of the consciousness of the 'thinker' is that every thought consists of an "analysis", that it is all "intellectual".

From the very get-go, it categorically denies that thoughts can come from anywhere else, from any other dimension of consciousness than the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

What I have written above is not any intellectual analysis, which consists of breaking things down into their component parts by the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

It is the description of a Revelation; and of Knowledge outside of the dimension of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Michael
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hf
- ? Nus.

-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


This is usually what people say when they have no Knowledge of a subject; that it is nothing more than "semantics".

"Semantics" about the Doctrine of "resurrection" got tens of thousands of Albigensians and millions of Jews slaughtered over several hundred years of Christian anti-Semitism.

If you don't understand the origin of what I am talking about, why not just say that you don't understand or you don't believe, rather than calling it "semantics"?

If you say you don't believe it, fine by me.

But, when you call it "semantics" you are merely magnifying your lack of Knowledge.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Michael, you have a lot of knowledge.

Me on the other hand, I know that I know nothing.
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At the end of the day no matter how smart you think you are you will never be smart enough to undertand GOD. GOD is tobe experienced not explained. The more I learnt about the world around me the more I realised how little I knew. And that goes for spirituality as well. There are some simple rules to follow the rest is just to be experience not controlled or understood. That comes after we leave this world.
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Everyone will wake up eventually and each ones path is different. So what someone gets a glimpse and thinks they are enlightened. So what they don't know much yet. I look at my own path and see how many times I have stumbled or mistook/mispreceived an experience and yet I regret nothing because it has brought me to where I am now...and that is not even the end. I will continue to wake up always and All ways. And so will everyone else. We all go back home eventually. It matters not at all how we get there.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


I wouldn't be so sure that everyone will get home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


That's okay...you don't have to be.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


...and everyone keeps dreaming their dream. Maybe some do not want to go home because they like it here. Ever heard of free will?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Of course I know free will...you simply misunderstand what I mean by home.

Home is a state of being that is actualy who you really are apart from the personality, physicality and altered ego. It is the greatest potential of who you are. And who eveyone is. So there is no question of wether one would want to go home or not. It is simply a truth.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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You won't defeat anything if you play on their frequency.
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Haha, what you don't see is that I'm taking others with me.

I don't have many friends that will play this game with me.

So I make them.

First, the basics like seducing women, how the markets mark us, con us (spanglish) and accepting they stole proper love from us.

Then I usually try to ask them about god or technology or quantum physics or molecular biology but I've lost many a friend by pushing them too close to the edge...

That's why I'm lucky to have you guys.<3


This is round infinity.

Winner takes all. Perception as your trophy.

It is the pattern light resides in. Each in other defined in opposite. It is apparent as the skin it vibrates through.

Cheers
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


There is something to be found and said for each side.

There is ultimate knowing in darkness.
There is ultimate being in light.

One side isn't worth it and will spend forever trying to convince you it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30272064


You are too entrapped in the experience and too identified with the story lines and the human made definitions of dualism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Where do you think my power comes from? I will tap any door there is and this is a farm so I'll keep them open.

I will not crumble. I will walk hand in hand as intended.

Eventually. For now, I'm just a boy who thinks too much...

and dates a psychologist who needs a detailed explanation of things. She wants be of this place and in it. I will respect her wishes.

But I will do everything I can to ensure the world for her is made to fit. I no longer care how many waves I cause by changing the pieces. This version wasn't working for most anyways.
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Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


One of the fundamental assumptions of the consciousness of the 'thinker' is that every thought consists of an "analysis", that it is all "intellectual".

From the very get-go, it categorically denies that thoughts can come from anywhere else, from any other dimension of consciousness than the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

What I have written above is not any intellectual analysis, which consists of breaking things down into their component parts by the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

It is the description of a Revelation; and of Knowledge outside of the dimension of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


This has yet to be described. Good luck!
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At the end of the day no matter how smart you think you are you will never be smart enough to undertand GOD. GOD is tobe experienced not explained. The more I learnt about the world around me the more I realised how little I knew. And that goes for spirituality as well. There are some simple rules to follow the rest is just to be experience not controlled or understood. That comes after we leave this world.
 Quoting: Ozi dude 34405469


I meant to say that under the disclosure that I dont really know anything so what I just said you can disregard if you wish it is just my experience. God Blesshf
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The bricks get laid,
and they get torn up,
and laid again,
but the bricks always get torn up again.

Your friends won't wait,
so don't believe that shit,
when they say they'll wait.
Trust me: your friends will not wait for you.
Then you'll be stoned in some park,
just nodding your head and pinching your arms,
when a girl walks along.
She's humming your song,
with your t-shirt on.
that's when you're done,
Oh, that's when you're done...

There's a cotton crush,
down in the southern states.
But back up here, man, we've got
so much thread and space
to waste, waste, waste.


 Quoting: Septenary Man


Damn, I really like that.

Don't get your 'that's how you like to take credit anyways' comment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30272064

It was for you! I hoped you would?

Sorry. I try to use your idioms so you conceptualize that much more simply. Sometimes language is harder than others realize.

Would give credit make more sense to you?

I said I'd need currency for real exchange.

I'm still waiting to talk with you about the game.

The one you swear you're not playing. The one you can't lose.


I like the way you communicate.

Do I give credit for stuff I post? I try to. But there is so much information, and I have done it before, that it gets repetitive, and many times now, I might just leave it out. The ones that help me 'see' things know this, and I believe they do not mind.

Do I like taking credit for something? I enjoy the dialogue that results from it. I enjoy that people enjoy the work I put together. It makes me feel good that I can help others see things that I have seen, and that I think are amazing. If I had no one to share with, there would not be as much desire to explore this, as I feel the dialogue is what creates the movement of new exploration into fascinating areas of thought.

I do not desire currency for exchange of these thoughts. Matter of fact, I pay for the opportunity to share these thoughts. $10 a month, otherwise I am perma-banned.

About 'the game' you keep mentioning. There are different layers in all of this. If I find someone being a dick and is uninteresting, then I move on. If I find someone being a dick, but is interesting, then I can continue. If you define that as a game, then so be it.
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At the end of the day no matter how smart you think you are you will never be smart enough to undertand GOD. GOD is tobe experienced not explained. The more I learnt about the world around me the more I realised how little I knew. And that goes for spirituality as well. There are some simple rules to follow the rest is just to be experience not controlled or understood. That comes after we leave this world.
 Quoting: Ozi dude 34405469


Emphasis is on: Do not try to control or force the experience. Do not try too hard understand either. That may just give you a headache. Just be and enjoy all that is.
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I wouldn't be so sure that everyone will get home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


That's okay...you don't have to be.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


...and everyone keeps dreaming their dream. Maybe some do not want to go home because they like it here. Ever heard of free will?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Of course I know free will...you simply misunderstand what I mean by home.

Home is a state of being that is actualy who you really are apart from the personality, physicality and altered ego. It is the greatest potential of who you are. And who eveyone is. So there is no question of wether one would want to go home or not. It is simply a truth.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


The ones who screw up to bad and refuse to correct, may just perish...and not go home. I know what you mean by home.
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


I have found that in some cases it is good to over-analyze, then drop back and distill the information. Then, experience the distilled portion. After experiencing it, it is embedded, for lack of a better word.

Knowledge is Wisdom without Experience
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That's okay...you don't have to be.
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...and everyone keeps dreaming their dream. Maybe some do not want to go home because they like it here. Ever heard of free will?
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Of course I know free will...you simply misunderstand what I mean by home.

Home is a state of being that is actualy who you really are apart from the personality, physicality and altered ego. It is the greatest potential of who you are. And who eveyone is. So there is no question of wether one would want to go home or not. It is simply a truth.
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The ones who screw up to bad and refuse to correct, may just perish...and not go home. I know what you mean by home.
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This is what I love about GLP...so many different takes on things. I agree to disagree with you.
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There was no beginning or end. There IS no beginning or end. Just changes.
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Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
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Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
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This is usually what people say when they have no Knowledge of a subject; that it is nothing more than "semantics".

"Semantics" about the Doctrine of "resurrection" got tens of thousands of Albigensians and millions of Jews slaughtered over several hundred years of Christian anti-Semitism.

If you don't understand the origin of what I am talking about, why not just say that you don't understand or you don't believe, rather than calling it "semantics"?

If you say you don't believe it, fine by me.

But, when you call it "semantics" you are merely magnifying your lack of Knowledge.

Michael
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And why should I be worried that people see my lack of knowledge?

I see it as a good thing, as they can help show me the knowledge I am missing if they so wish.

Using the 'Semantics' excuse is a form of laziness more-so than a lack of knowledge, in my opinion. For example, I understood perfectly what you said in the context it was given. But, since you already get it, why should I express to you that I already get it, it being the idea you posted.

I don't really care if people see how stupid I am because of magnifying my lack of knowledge. It doesn't bother me in the least.
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Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


I have found that in some cases it is good to over-analyze, then drop back and distill the information. Then, experience the distilled portion. After experiencing it, it is embedded, for lack of a better word.

Knowledge is Wisdom without Experience
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That is still a very mental approach and due to seeming exciting can perpetuate indefinitely until you may get tired of it and let it all go.
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...and everyone keeps dreaming their dream. Maybe some do not want to go home because they like it here. Ever heard of free will?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Of course I know free will...you simply misunderstand what I mean by home.

Home is a state of being that is actualy who you really are apart from the personality, physicality and altered ego. It is the greatest potential of who you are. And who eveyone is. So there is no question of wether one would want to go home or not. It is simply a truth.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


The ones who screw up to bad and refuse to correct, may just perish...and not go home. I know what you mean by home.
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This is what I love about GLP...so many different takes on things. I agree to disagree with you.
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You seem like a very compassionate being. You have reserved a place in heaven for the Elite. You want everyone to go home with you.
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Just because you can't remember, does not mean that no one can remember.

Yes, there was a beginning to the consciousness of the "self". It is in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, yes, the consciousness of the 'thinker' begins when it 'thinks' itself into existence.

But, as Agent Smith says in Matrix Revolutions: "Whatever has a beginning has an end, Neo."

The consciousness that is non-temporal and non-spatial is the consciousness Created by God.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


This is usually what people say when they have no Knowledge of a subject; that it is nothing more than "semantics".

"Semantics" about the Doctrine of "resurrection" got tens of thousands of Albigensians and millions of Jews slaughtered over several hundred years of Christian anti-Semitism.

If you don't understand the origin of what I am talking about, why not just say that you don't understand or you don't believe, rather than calling it "semantics"?

If you say you don't believe it, fine by me.

But, when you call it "semantics" you are merely magnifying your lack of Knowledge.

Michael
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Michael, you have a lot of knowledge.

Me on the other hand, I know that I know nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Knowledge is not something that a person has, because there is no 'spatiality of consciousness' to have it.

Knowledge is observed.

It is not a question of having Knowledge or not having Knowledge.

It is a question of seeing or being blind.

People can be taught how to see; but they cannot be taught how to have a Knowledge that cannot be had.

It is like pouring boiling water into a bottle made of ice.

Michael
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The bricks get laid,
and they get torn up,
and laid again,
but the bricks always get torn up again.

Your friends won't wait,
so don't believe that shit,
when they say they'll wait.
Trust me: your friends will not wait for you.
Then you'll be stoned in some park,
just nodding your head and pinching your arms,
when a girl walks along.
She's humming your song,
with your t-shirt on.
that's when you're done,
Oh, that's when you're done...

There's a cotton crush,
down in the southern states.
But back up here, man, we've got
so much thread and space
to waste, waste, waste.


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Damn, I really like that.

Don't get your 'that's how you like to take credit anyways' comment.
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It was for you! I hoped you would?

Sorry. I try to use your idioms so you conceptualize that much more simply. Sometimes language is harder than others realize.

Would give credit make more sense to you?

I said I'd need currency for real exchange.

I'm still waiting to talk with you about the game.

The one you swear you're not playing. The one you can't lose.
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I like the way you communicate.

Do I give credit for stuff I post? I try to. But there is so much information, and I have done it before, that it gets repetitive, and many times now, I might just leave it out. The ones that help me 'see' things know this, and I believe they do not mind.

Do I like taking credit for something? I enjoy the dialogue that results from it. I enjoy that people enjoy the work I put together. It makes me feel good that I can help others see things that I have seen, and that I think are amazing. If I had no one to share with, there would not be as much desire to explore this, as I feel the dialogue is what creates the movement of new exploration into fascinating areas of thought.

I do not desire currency for exchange of these thoughts. Matter of fact, I pay for the opportunity to share these thoughts. $10 a month, otherwise I am perma-banned.

About 'the game' you keep mentioning. There are different layers in all of this. If I find someone being a dick and is uninteresting, then I move on. If I find someone being a dick, but is interesting, then I can continue. If you define that as a game, then so be it.


You paid in the beginning. I never said you misappropriated credit. I promise I understand your intentions.

The currency I speak of is the information.

I think the bans are cute. I could not afford $10 a month if I wanted to. Not for this.

the game of light before darkness; the game of life before death

You are not scared therefore you may contemplate freely.

Have you settled as to what all this means and what it all could be?

But back to the currency thing; I just meant if you give me shit I'll give you shit. You hand me gold and I'll ask you where it came from, hold it and hand it back to you. I prefer grey clay to yellow.

I do this as much for me as I do for you. You'd be surprised what the ego comes up with unchecked.
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Semantics.

Yes, some will say we have a beginning to this life, and an end to this life....and can be correct. At the same time, they can be wrong, as we go on 'living' after death.

I was speaking in the broadest sense.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The danger of over analyzing, and trying to overstand everything there is intellectually and with mind is that one disables their ability to actually experience it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


I have found that in some cases it is good to over-analyze, then drop back and distill the information. Then, experience the distilled portion. After experiencing it, it is embedded, for lack of a better word.

Knowledge is Wisdom without Experience
 Quoting: Septenary Man


That is still a very mental approach and due to seeming exciting can perpetuate indefinitely until you may get tired of it and let it all go.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


I do both. Don't feel like going into it though. Doesn't matter if you realize I do, or do not. It is what it is.

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