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The Foundation of the Spiritual Universe is Stillness ~ The Foundation of the Physical Universe is Motion

 
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I think it is wash dishes do the laundry now.
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I think it is wash dishes do the laundry now.
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of course, my life is forever changed. It took a few years of meditation and stillness to get to those discoveries.

the experience of reality exposes the unreality of 'this place' ..there is no going back to pretending.

the drama lost it's luster...lol

we are immortals having a mortal, playstation type experience. For many reasons...i didn't go any further. So..after many years...i regressed ...

i just live each day...sometimes reactive...sometimes absolutely still...

it's just another day in forever
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Is there a purpose to your life after that? Is it just being part of everything and being in the flow of existence after the illusion lost its appeal or do you create a purpose? Is there a purpose for you (generally everyone) to their physical experience?
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well...what you've said is 'difficult'.

there is no 'purpose' to anything in reality except to just experience living...so, yes i do have to deliberately create what is 'important' and live according to it in order to remain sane.

When my children are all raised, i will go back to Nirvana and exit out after that.
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Is there a purpose to your life after that? Is it just being part of everything and being in the flow of existence after the illusion lost its appeal or do you create a purpose? Is there a purpose for you (generally everyone) to their physical experience?
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well...what you've said is 'difficult'.

there is no 'purpose' to anything in reality except to just experience living...so, yes i do have to deliberately create what is 'important' and live according to it in order to remain sane.

When my children are all raised, i will go back to Nirvana and exit out after that.
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Sounds like a plan, but why do you say you would go insane?
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and to the question about chopping wood and carrying water...

coming to the understanding of that sentence is the greatest of mysteries...really.

yes. ...i do need to chop wood and carry water...but .,..timing is everything....not sure what i'm waiting for...lol
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Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
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Timing is everything 'in time'. Within 'time' there are beings, some are very 'powerful' and they are able to manipulate this place by understanding the phrase 'there is no spoon'. ..it doesn't take much energy to move a mountain when you only change the film in the projector instead of trying to do something that is physically impossible.

Time is like a movie reel that has a beginning and an end. It will play as it will...and the sphere we live in can only be changed to the degree we are advanced and understand how to do...while those that are very 'powerful' manipulate things on a grand scale.

There is no injustice in any of this. Nothing real has ever been harmed!

so..while in this wheel of time, things have to 'happen' as they will...and so...as the wheel turns...it is 'timing'....

the only true choice we have is how to experience this life...HOW DO YOU WISH TO FEEL IS YOUR ONLY TRUE CHOICE. HOW DO YOU WISH TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

trying to 'help' others is as good a thing to do as anything else until you opt out by walking the lonely path...the narrow path. ..it's all delay until you walk the guru path. ALL OF IT is vanity...soloman was right. ...

Hermes said it best "do as thou wilt is the whole of the law"...

just remember that 'doing' is always vanity and will keep you in the layers of illusions until you choose to 'undo'...that is the last effort....
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well...what you've said is 'difficult'.

there is no 'purpose' to anything in reality except to just experience living...so, yes i do have to deliberately create what is 'important' and live according to it in order to remain sane.

When my children are all raised, i will go back to Nirvana and exit out after that.
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Sounds like a plan, but why do you say you would go insane?
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participating requires a reason...and a reason is either created by someone else for you by a religion or by programmed conditioning...or you have to make one up. ..

if you don't have a reason...there is no function. without function...you go nuts.

like a math equation...it has to flow...to live in a flow,...there must be a solution to the equation...so..you create an equation...and then live in it...like a house...
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Other religions mark the forehead as well.
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and to the question about chopping wood and carrying water...

coming to the understanding of that sentence is the greatest of mysteries...really.

yes. ...i do need to chop wood and carry water...but .,..timing is everything....not sure what i'm waiting for...lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19932676


Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Timing is everything 'in time'. Within 'time' there are beings, some are very 'powerful' and they are able to manipulate this place by understanding the phrase 'there is no spoon'. ..it doesn't take much energy to move a mountain when you only change the film in the projector instead of trying to do something that is physically impossible.

Time is like a movie reel that has a beginning and an end. It will play as it will...and the sphere we live in can only be changed to the degree we are advanced and understand how to do...while those that are very 'powerful' manipulate things on a grand scale.

There is no injustice in any of this. Nothing real has ever been harmed!

so..while in this wheel of time, things have to 'happen' as they will...and so...as the wheel turns...it is 'timing'....

the only true choice we have is how to experience this life...HOW DO YOU WISH TO FEEL IS YOUR ONLY TRUE CHOICE. HOW DO YOU WISH TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

trying to 'help' others is as good a thing to do as anything else until you opt out by walking the lonely path...the narrow path. ..it's all delay until you walk the guru path. ALL OF IT is vanity...soloman was right. ...

Hermes said it best "do as thou wilt is the whole of the law"...

just remember that 'doing' is always vanity and will keep you in the layers of illusions until you choose to 'undo'...that is the last effort....
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Experience what? There is nothing there :)

What you talk of is projections of mind. If your experience was transcending, you would know that. It is possible to reach enlightenment and then to fall back into ignorance. be careful of that pitfall. The Guru path is all ego but there were some gurus that were crucial to spiritual evolution of seekers. They served as pointer to truth. At some point the guru is unnecessary. Most self proclaimed gurus want to bind the students to him/her. that is one sign of how to discern between the fake and the real guru of which there are very few if any at this time.
Undoing is all that matters until you reach that point of nothing.
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tru enuf...the carbon base life form...the fallen state...the parasite consciousness...
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Sounds like a plan, but why do you say you would go insane?
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participating requires a reason...and a reason is either created by someone else for you by a religion or by programmed conditioning...or you have to make one up. ..

if you don't have a reason...there is no function. without function...you go nuts.

like a math equation...it has to flow...to live in a flow,...there must be a solution to the equation...so..you create an equation...and then live in it...like a house...
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Birds don't have a reason neither created by religion or by themselves. They don't seem insane.
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tru enuf...the carbon base life form...the fallen state...the parasite consciousness...
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Density and low frequency ignorance.
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and to the question about chopping wood and carrying water...

coming to the understanding of that sentence is the greatest of mysteries...really.

yes. ...i do need to chop wood and carry water...but .,..timing is everything....not sure what i'm waiting for...lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19932676


Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


Timing is everything 'in time'. Within 'time' there are beings, some are very 'powerful' and they are able to manipulate this place by understanding the phrase 'there is no spoon'. ..it doesn't take much energy to move a mountain when you only change the film in the projector instead of trying to do something that is physically impossible.

Time is like a movie reel that has a beginning and an end. It will play as it will...and the sphere we live in can only be changed to the degree we are advanced and understand how to do...while those that are very 'powerful' manipulate things on a grand scale.

There is no injustice in any of this. Nothing real has ever been harmed!

so..while in this wheel of time, things have to 'happen' as they will...and so...as the wheel turns...it is 'timing'....

the only true choice we have is how to experience this life...HOW DO YOU WISH TO FEEL IS YOUR ONLY TRUE CHOICE. HOW DO YOU WISH TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

trying to 'help' others is as good a thing to do as anything else until you opt out by walking the lonely path...the narrow path. ..it's all delay until you walk the guru path. ALL OF IT is vanity...soloman was right. ...

Hermes said it best "do as thou wilt is the whole of the law"...

just remember that 'doing' is always vanity and will keep you in the layers of illusions until you choose to 'undo'...that is the last effort....
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Experience what? There is nothing there :)

What you talk of is projections of mind. If your experience was transcending, you would know that. It is possible to reach enlightenment and then to fall back into ignorance. be careful of that pitfall. The Guru path is all ego but there were some gurus that were crucial to spiritual evolution of seekers. They served as pointer to truth. At some point the guru is unnecessary. Most self proclaimed gurus want to bind the students to him/her. that is one sign of how to discern between the fake and the real guru of which there are very few if any at this time.
Undoing is all that matters until you reach that point of nothing.
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experience living. You are alive. You are an awareness, that is all that you are. ...and the ONLY thing you can do is choose. All else is illusion...but it is whay you chose to do...to be here to experience PAIN.

This is as real as you make it.

you presume to know that I didn't 'transcend' illusion. That is your presumption.

I did fall back from the free state. No need to warn me,...lol...already done...but I have a perfect understanding of how to return,..it isn't an idea or a pleasant fiction from a book. Once you've been 'out' you can't forget that you've been there, nor can you forget how to return.

The guru path is all ego? from what experience have you learned that nonsense?

it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru.

sure , there are gurus today that are not gurus...they are pretenders that want an audience.

i am not a guru...at least not for the last 12 years. ...i am a vain man walking in duality speaking of a memory of reality.
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participating requires a reason...and a reason is either created by someone else for you by a religion or by programmed conditioning...or you have to make one up. ..

if you don't have a reason...there is no function. without function...you go nuts.

like a math equation...it has to flow...to live in a flow,...there must be a solution to the equation...so..you create an equation...and then live in it...like a house...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19932676


Birds don't have a reason neither created by religion or by themselves. They don't seem insane.
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watch how they kick the babes kick each other out of the nest to assure their survival. Their nature is vicious. ...
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Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
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Timing is everything 'in time'. Within 'time' there are beings, some are very 'powerful' and they are able to manipulate this place by understanding the phrase 'there is no spoon'. ..it doesn't take much energy to move a mountain when you only change the film in the projector instead of trying to do something that is physically impossible.

Time is like a movie reel that has a beginning and an end. It will play as it will...and the sphere we live in can only be changed to the degree we are advanced and understand how to do...while those that are very 'powerful' manipulate things on a grand scale.

There is no injustice in any of this. Nothing real has ever been harmed!

so..while in this wheel of time, things have to 'happen' as they will...and so...as the wheel turns...it is 'timing'....

the only true choice we have is how to experience this life...HOW DO YOU WISH TO FEEL IS YOUR ONLY TRUE CHOICE. HOW DO YOU WISH TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

trying to 'help' others is as good a thing to do as anything else until you opt out by walking the lonely path...the narrow path. ..it's all delay until you walk the guru path. ALL OF IT is vanity...soloman was right. ...

Hermes said it best "do as thou wilt is the whole of the law"...

just remember that 'doing' is always vanity and will keep you in the layers of illusions until you choose to 'undo'...that is the last effort....
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Experience what? There is nothing there :)

What you talk of is projections of mind. If your experience was transcending, you would know that. It is possible to reach enlightenment and then to fall back into ignorance. be careful of that pitfall. The Guru path is all ego but there were some gurus that were crucial to spiritual evolution of seekers. They served as pointer to truth. At some point the guru is unnecessary. Most self proclaimed gurus want to bind the students to him/her. that is one sign of how to discern between the fake and the real guru of which there are very few if any at this time.
Undoing is all that matters until you reach that point of nothing.
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experience living. You are alive. You are an awareness, that is all that you are. ...and the ONLY thing you can do is choose. All else is illusion...but it is whay you chose to do...to be here to experience PAIN.

This is as real as you make it.

you presume to know that I didn't 'transcend' illusion. That is your presumption.

I did fall back from the free state. No need to warn me,...lol...already done...but I have a perfect understanding of how to return,..it isn't an idea or a pleasant fiction from a book. Once you've been 'out' you can't forget that you've been there, nor can you forget how to return.

The guru path is all ego? from what experience have you learned that nonsense?

it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru.

sure , there are gurus today that are not gurus...they are pretenders that want an audience.

i am not a guru...at least not for the last 12 years. ...i am a vain man walking in duality speaking of a memory of reality.
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Nothing was presumed, maybe only questioned whether you fell back from the free state. Words often lead to misunderstanding.
But if you know, then you would not be concerned with the dark manipulative entities. They are projections, astral and mind. A much lower state than the one you referred to before.
The guru or messiah complex that happens to people after they experience enlightenment is what was meant. That has a foundation in ego. Today everyone can be their own guru. Believing that you need to go around and save everyone only because you saw the big picture, is ego.
Enlightened people chop wood, carry water. You wouldn't be able to tell that they are realized.
"it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru." This statement is not true anymore. We have different energies supporting realization as you mentioned before it's all about undoing. If you know that, you don't need a guru.

Did you have one? You said you didn't read it in books, but you talk about those things being impossible without a guru. You do sound like someone who had a guru whether he/she was genuine or not :)

You also seem to be attached to that reality you returned to. No need to answer that. Just meditate on it...
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Birds don't have a reason neither created by religion or by themselves. They don't seem insane.
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watch how they kick the babes kick each other out of the nest to assure their survival. Their nature is vicious. ...
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Aren't you so much more than a bird?? How does that enable you to live and to experience?
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fold clothes, put away groceries
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cook food, eat, sleep, do something for a living, spread joy with smiles from the heart.
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and to the question about chopping wood and carrying water...

coming to the understanding of that sentence is the greatest of mysteries...really.

yes. ...i do need to chop wood and carry water...but .,..timing is everything....not sure what i'm waiting for...lol
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Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
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Why, we have all the time in the world. Impatience is the root to all suffering and disconnection.

We already know perfection exists. We will slowly sculpt ourselves in its image.

There is no hurry as there is nothing to fear.

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and to the question about chopping wood and carrying water...

coming to the understanding of that sentence is the greatest of mysteries...really.

yes. ...i do need to chop wood and carry water...but .,..timing is everything....not sure what i'm waiting for...lol
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Timing is everything? Didn't you just mention eternity as in another day in forever? Should one wait or take action to elevate others or to ease the suffering in the world for the ones that are so trapped in the illusion?
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Why, we have all the time in the world. Impatience is the root to all suffering and disconnection.

We already know perfection exists. We will slowly sculpt ourselves in its image.

There is no hurry as there is nothing to fear.

Cheers
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Sweet words.
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Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Impatience comes from ignorance.
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Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Impatience comes from ignorance.
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Impatience has its validity. It can be a form of intensity and energy that may be useful in certain situations. We should integrate everything in our experience instead of categorizing into "good" and "bad".
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Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Impatience comes from ignorance.
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Impatience has its validity. It can be a form of intensity and energy that may be useful in certain situations. We should integrate everything in our experience instead of categorizing into "good" and "bad".
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What?
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Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Impatience comes from ignorance.
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Impatience has its validity. It can be a form of intensity and energy that may be useful in certain situations. We should integrate everything in our experience instead of categorizing into "good" and "bad".
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What?
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For example, if you feel impatience, it can be an indicator from your subconscious that you are doing something that is not in harmony with your being.
Sometimes impatience can be a motivator to get something done and it can be transformed into intensity and focus that enables you to perform on a higher level. It is all just energy.
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watch how they kick the babes kick each other out of the nest to assure their survival. Their nature is vicious. ...
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Aren't you so much more than a bird?? How does that enable you to live and to experience?
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uh. yah. did you lose the direction of the point that led to this?

do the initials CT mean anything to you?
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Aren't you so much more than a bird?? How does that enable you to live and to experience?
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uh. yah. did you lose the direction of the point that led to this?

do the initials CT mean anything to you?
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Has you ego been provoked?
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uh. yah. did you lose the direction of the point that led to this?

do the initials CT mean anything to you?
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Has you ego been provoked?
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I'm just having fun debunking people who claim they are enlightened. :)
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Timing is everything 'in time'. Within 'time' there are beings, some are very 'powerful' and they are able to manipulate this place by understanding the phrase 'there is no spoon'. ..it doesn't take much energy to move a mountain when you only change the film in the projector instead of trying to do something that is physically impossible.

Time is like a movie reel that has a beginning and an end. It will play as it will...and the sphere we live in can only be changed to the degree we are advanced and understand how to do...while those that are very 'powerful' manipulate things on a grand scale.

There is no injustice in any of this. Nothing real has ever been harmed!

so..while in this wheel of time, things have to 'happen' as they will...and so...as the wheel turns...it is 'timing'....

the only true choice we have is how to experience this life...HOW DO YOU WISH TO FEEL IS YOUR ONLY TRUE CHOICE. HOW DO YOU WISH TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

trying to 'help' others is as good a thing to do as anything else until you opt out by walking the lonely path...the narrow path. ..it's all delay until you walk the guru path. ALL OF IT is vanity...soloman was right. ...

Hermes said it best "do as thou wilt is the whole of the law"...

just remember that 'doing' is always vanity and will keep you in the layers of illusions until you choose to 'undo'...that is the last effort....
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Experience what? There is nothing there :)

What you talk of is projections of mind. If your experience was transcending, you would know that. It is possible to reach enlightenment and then to fall back into ignorance. be careful of that pitfall. The Guru path is all ego but there were some gurus that were crucial to spiritual evolution of seekers. They served as pointer to truth. At some point the guru is unnecessary. Most self proclaimed gurus want to bind the students to him/her. that is one sign of how to discern between the fake and the real guru of which there are very few if any at this time.
Undoing is all that matters until you reach that point of nothing.
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experience living. You are alive. You are an awareness, that is all that you are. ...and the ONLY thing you can do is choose. All else is illusion...but it is whay you chose to do...to be here to experience PAIN.

This is as real as you make it.

you presume to know that I didn't 'transcend' illusion. That is your presumption.

I did fall back from the free state. No need to warn me,...lol...already done...but I have a perfect understanding of how to return,..it isn't an idea or a pleasant fiction from a book. Once you've been 'out' you can't forget that you've been there, nor can you forget how to return.

The guru path is all ego? from what experience have you learned that nonsense?

it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru.

sure , there are gurus today that are not gurus...they are pretenders that want an audience.

i am not a guru...at least not for the last 12 years. ...i am a vain man walking in duality speaking of a memory of reality.
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Nothing was presumed, maybe only questioned whether you fell back from the free state. Words often lead to misunderstanding.
But if you know, then you would not be concerned with the dark manipulative entities. They are projections, astral and mind. A much lower state than the one you referred to before.
The guru or messiah complex that happens to people after they experience enlightenment is what was meant. That has a foundation in ego. Today everyone can be their own guru. Believing that you need to go around and save everyone only because you saw the big picture, is ego.
Enlightened people chop wood, carry water. You wouldn't be able to tell that they are realized.
"it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru." This statement is not true anymore. We have different energies supporting realization as you mentioned before it's all about undoing. If you know that, you don't need a guru.

Did you have one? You said you didn't read it in books, but you talk about those things being impossible without a guru. You do sound like someone who had a guru whether he/she was genuine or not :)

You also seem to be attached to that reality you returned to. No need to answer that. Just meditate on it...
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Experience what? There is nothing there :)

What you talk of is projections of mind. If your experience was transcending, you would know that. It is possible to reach enlightenment and then to fall back into ignorance. be careful of that pitfall. The Guru path is all ego but there were some gurus that were crucial to spiritual evolution of seekers. They served as pointer to truth. At some point the guru is unnecessary. Most self proclaimed gurus want to bind the students to him/her. that is one sign of how to discern between the fake and the real guru of which there are very few if any at this time.
Undoing is all that matters until you reach that point of nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34391377


experience living. You are alive. You are an awareness, that is all that you are. ...and the ONLY thing you can do is choose. All else is illusion...but it is whay you chose to do...to be here to experience PAIN.

This is as real as you make it.

you presume to know that I didn't 'transcend' illusion. That is your presumption.

I did fall back from the free state. No need to warn me,...lol...already done...but I have a perfect understanding of how to return,..it isn't an idea or a pleasant fiction from a book. Once you've been 'out' you can't forget that you've been there, nor can you forget how to return.

The guru path is all ego? from what experience have you learned that nonsense?

it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru.

sure , there are gurus today that are not gurus...they are pretenders that want an audience.

i am not a guru...at least not for the last 12 years. ...i am a vain man walking in duality speaking of a memory of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19932676


Nothing was presumed, maybe only questioned whether you fell back from the free state. Words often lead to misunderstanding.
But if you know, then you would not be concerned with the dark manipulative entities. They are projections, astral and mind. A much lower state than the one you referred to before.
The guru or messiah complex that happens to people after they experience enlightenment is what was meant. That has a foundation in ego. Today everyone can be their own guru. Believing that you need to go around and save everyone only because you saw the big picture, is ego.
Enlightened people chop wood, carry water. You wouldn't be able to tell that they are realized.
"it is nearly impossible to return (re-integrate as the yogi's say) without a guru." This statement is not true anymore. We have different energies supporting realization as you mentioned before it's all about undoing. If you know that, you don't need a guru.

Did you have one? You said you didn't read it in books, but you talk about those things being impossible without a guru. You do sound like someone who had a guru whether he/she was genuine or not :)

You also seem to be attached to that reality you returned to. No need to answer that. Just meditate on it...
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do you feel better or worse now?
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