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Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?

 
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Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?
Some say that Jesus will return at any time. They call this the doctrine of immanency. He comes like a thief in the night.

Other Christians say that Jesus cannot come until that man of sin is revealed and that Jesus returns to the Earth to destroy the antichrist and claim his bride.

Can a Christian clear this up.

Can Jesus come at any time or the appointed time?
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Jesus c omes after. He does not come and 'rapture' selected people before, He returns quite notoriously with a shout that all can hear and be seen by all.
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Re: Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?
You're asking for a "christian" to clear up a book about the Hebrews? Seriously?

Anyway. If you don't know who the Anti-Christ is already, you'll never find out.

Any one who opposes the truth of Christ is an "Anti-Christ"

- That includes Modern day Christianity and their paganism (cant prove to me otherwise)
- The Roman Catholic Church
- Zionist
- All governments who don't follow the truth of Christ

etc etc


Read this:

"It was well known at this time in history that the upholders of Satan's Antichrist teachings were the Roman Catholic Church. It was also well understood that the Antichrist spoken of in the Bible was a governmental structure opposed to one man.

This is what set the stage for the Roman Catholic Church to bring forth one of the biggest doctrines to influence modern day Christianity. As a result of this, many people started removing themselves from the Roman Catholic faith.

During the year 1585, Jesuit General and founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius Loyola, sent forth a decree to fellow Jesuit Francisco Ribera to compose a 500 page commentary of Revelations.


This entire commentary was written in Latin and was titled: In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij. Within this 500 page commentary, Ribera was instructed to push the following ideas:

- The Antichrist is one man opposed to a government structure.
- The Antichrist would build a temple in Jerusalem
- The Antichrist will abolish Christianity and make a covenant with the Jews
- The Antichrist will call himself God
- The Antichrist will not be revealed until 7 years before Christ returns
- The Antichrist will conquer the world
- The Christians or the "Church" will be raptured into heaven before the Antichrist appears"

"Because the people rather trust in the lies more than the truth, Most High have sent a strong delusion throughout the earth that the people may believe the lies that are spread through Christianity:

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"


This information was very instrumental in taking the focus off of the Antichrist government structure while placing the focus on a future boogeyman that will one day rule the world"


Time to wake up and smell the coffee people. No rapture is coming. You must go through the tribulation and Jacobs trouble (which is mainly aimed towards the 12 tribes) to see the Kingdom.

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please no cut n paste posts in this thread.

think for yourself, don't be lazy.
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please no cut n paste posts in this thread.

think for yourself, don't be lazy.
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Dude, I WROTE THAT in another thread lol.. I just copied and pasted it in here
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Re: Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?
Jesus never technically said he would return

However, the Annunaki did!
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please no cut n paste posts in this thread.

think for yourself, don't be lazy.
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Furthermore, instead of worrying about copying and pasting, read it and prove it wrong.. Stop waiting on a rapture and an anti-christ.. it aint gonna happen.
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Anyway. If you don't know who the Anti-Christ is already, you'll never find out.


Anon---do you know who the Antichrist is? Is he alive now?
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I believe that we will know who the man of perdition is and will not be deceived as most of the world is before he comes back.
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Some say that Jesus will return at any time. They call this the doctrine of immanency. He comes like a thief in the night.

Other Christians say that Jesus cannot come until that man of sin is revealed and that Jesus returns to the Earth to destroy the antichrist and claim his bride.

Can a Christian clear this up.

Can Jesus come at any time or the appointed time?

 Quoting: clear blue 3767410


Who says that Christianity has any clue at all about what "the anti-Christ" is?

Let me suggest that the only person who can tell you what the anti-Christ is will be Jesus when he returns.

Surely, Jesus knew what his Teaching was.

So, clearly, he will be able to tell you those who oppose that Teaching.

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Jesus actually returns TWO times.

When he left, he said that he was going to prepare a place for us/them... in his father's house/home.

When he returns (any day now), what he's coming for is to "catch away" the elect - REMOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE EARTH. At this time, his feet will NOT touch earth. It will be an event, witnessed by millions.

The AC cannot take control as long as the Holy Spirit remains in the earth.

The next time Christ returs, he brings the Heavenly army and the saints to end the rule of the AC and implement the LAST JUDGEMENT, AND SET UP HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH.

He will stand on the Mount of Olives which will quake and split.

hf
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein
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Jesus never technically said he would return.
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Didn't have to.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

That is, everyone 'returns'.

Michael
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Its comical people are looking for one boogeyman and ignore the scriptures:

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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The AC cannot take control as long as the Holy Spirit remains in the earth.
 Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!


This nonsensical doctrine makes it possible for the Christian religious 'authorities' to hoodwink billions of dollars out of their cowardly and gullible followers; cowardly because they are more terrified of questioning the nonsensical doctrines vomited out by their religious 'authorities' than they are of death itself.

The Christian religious 'authorities' themselves are one of the most obvious manifestations of "the anti-Christ" inasmuch as they contradict the Teaching of Jesus that "the resurrection" consists of the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

Michael
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jesus returns in the 666 season

but he's not the same actor, and the caracter has been modernized

now is a tanned bloke with muscles, dress metrosexual and loves his i-phone more than his neighbor
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And who was ruling during Pauls time?

THE ROMAN EMPIRE.

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

The Mystery of Iniquity was working with the Roman Empire, A government structure.

When Satan took Christ to the Pinnacle and showed him all the Kingdoms, Christ rejected... Who accepted that? THE ROMANS, a government structure.

You're out of your mind if you don't think Satan can't give rulership, power and prestige in this Earth.

Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

The true Judges of this Earth are blind to the fact that they are the Chosen people of this Earth, why? Because the current structure keeps them blinded!

Stop waiting on one boogeyman and open your eyes.
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And remember what the Chief said,

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Now, I am not a fan of ANY religion in this Earth, but who comes in the name of CHRIST? You should look at THEM for the biggest deception...

It's not the Muslims, It's not the Buddhist, it's not the Hindus or even satanist, ITS THE CHRISTIANS.

Modern day Christianity promoted Anti-Christ teachings! From the "law is done away with" doctrine, to the holidays, Sunday worship, virgin birth nonsense, the trinity, ash wednesday, Easter .. I mean the list goes on and on.. all of that is Against the truth of Christ and the Bible.

Modern day Christianity was hi-jacked by Constanstine in the 4th Century and fused pagan doctrine with the NAME of Christ.

Its really easy folks. Start reading your bible and stop listening to what man has to say.
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The AC cannot take control as long as the Holy Spirit remains in the earth.
 Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!


This nonsensical doctrine makes it possible for the Christian religious 'authorities' to hoodwink billions of dollars out of their cowardly and gullible followers; cowardly because they are more terrified of questioning the nonsensical doctrines vomited out by their religious 'authorities' than they are of death itself.

The Christian religious 'authorities' themselves are one of the most obvious manifestations of "the anti-Christ" inasmuch as they contradict the Teaching of Jesus that "the resurrection" consists of the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


What I stated is TRUE !!

I'm NOT a "Christian" - I'm a Buddhist who follows Christ, so I'm not even interested in the "doctrines of man".

Anyone who reads the Bible will understand what I said, and KNOW that it is TRUE.

I feel sorry for YOU. hf

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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein
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watch for the two witness to be killed and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, this is after the ac has revealed himself and the nwo is up and running on some level.

when you see these two laying dead, begin to count the days. your redemption drawth near...
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watch for the two witness to be killed and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, this is after the ac has revealed himself and the nwo is up and running on some level.

when you see these two laying dead, begin to count the days. your redemption drawth near...
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The AC cannot take control as long as the Holy Spirit remains in the earth.
 Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!


This nonsensical doctrine makes it possible for the Christian religious 'authorities' to hoodwink billions of dollars out of their cowardly and gullible followers; cowardly because they are more terrified of questioning the nonsensical doctrines vomited out by their religious 'authorities' than they are of death itself.

The Christian religious 'authorities' themselves are one of the most obvious manifestations of "the anti-Christ" inasmuch as they contradict the Teaching of Jesus that "the resurrection" consists of the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


What I stated is TRUE !!

I'm NOT a "Christian" - I'm a Buddhist who follows Christ, so I'm no even interested in the "doctrines of man".

Anyone who reads the Bible will understand what I said, and KNOW that it is TRUE.

I feel sorry for YOU. hf
 Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!


You are a ball of confusion.. a "buddhist" who follows Christ?!? LOL.. In New Jerusalem, there will be no "buddhist" there to serve the Children of Israel under Christ... Better put down your confusion and pick up the truth in Christ.
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watch for the two witness to be killed and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, this is after the ac has revealed himself and the nwo is up and running on some level.

when you see these two laying dead, begin to count the days. your redemption drawth near...
 Quoting: chipg 24455934


You have no understanding of scripture.
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Jesus never technically said he would return.
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Didn't have to.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

That is, everyone 'returns'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Teaching one thing that you the listener interpreted and actually saying you will do something are two VERY different things.

If you speak through "resurrection" then that has already been completed. 2nd coming is nowhere in those cards and was made up so humans could better grasp the journey.

Think of the entire Universe as a bubble single entity
If Jesus never left and is on another plane then his actual words "you will be with me and my father in heaven" does NOT mean he is supposed to come back, pick you up and be your bus driver to get there!

Remember this ancient advanced being we call Jesus was speaking to primitive beings at their level.

Words written by other men about returning on a white horse, etc were just that, WRITTEN BY OTHER MEN!

I could make up a story about Obama for instance saying that he shall rise again in the year 2345 but unless he was a magical advanced being and stated it himself, who am I (or who was John or Peter) to say anything? I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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the scriptures tell you exactly who the A/C is



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Jesus never technically said he would return.
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Didn't have to.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

That is, everyone 'returns'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Teaching one thing that you the listener interpreted and actually saying you will do something are two VERY different things.

If you speak through "resurrection" then that has already been completed. 2nd coming is nowhere in those cards and was made up so humans could better grasp the journey.

Think of the entire Universe as a bubble single entity
If Jesus never left and is on another plane then his actual words "you will be with me and my father in heaven" does NOT mean he is supposed to come back, pick you up and be your bus driver to get there!

Remember this ancient advanced being we call Jesus was speaking to primitive beings at their level.

Words written by other men about returning on a white horse, etc were just that, WRITTEN BY OTHER MEN!

I could make up a story about Obama for instance saying that he shall rise again in the year 2345 but unless he was a magical advanced being and stated it himself, who am I (or who was John or Peter) to say anything? I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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Get lost Atheist. You are on the lowest rung of the ladder for satanism. We dont need you in this thread.
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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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That which restrained [Roman Empire/Emperor] the coming of
the antichrist world order [lawless antichrist Edomite-jews]
has already been removed and the satanic jew/nwo has ruled
the world unopposed for the past 70 years [Babylonian captivity.]

Next on the timeline. God's new Cyrus arises to destroy the jew/nwo.

Jesus' return is post-millennial.



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"Let no man deceive you by any means :for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition;" 2 Thessalonians 2:3

'Except there come a falling away first' =snatching away of believers(rapture)

Some think the phrase refers to believers apostazing but the above meaning is more accurate with the Greek and harmonizes with the rest of scripture.
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2 Thessalonians 2

King James Version (KJV)


2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Please take the time and watch these videos!



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Re: Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?
Some say that Jesus will return at any time. They call this the doctrine of immanency. He comes like a thief in the night.

Other Christians say that Jesus cannot come until that man of sin is revealed and that Jesus returns to the Earth to destroy the antichrist and claim his bride.

Can a Christian clear this up.

Can Jesus come at any time or the appointed time?

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what you're referring to is the harpazo, the snatching away.

THEN the A/C revealed.



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