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BRIEF  User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:15 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF And if it is then said person better get roommates or just live at home. Where do people get that they are owed anything? There should be no minimum wage. Let the employer set the amount and then a person can decide if they want to work for them or not. I moved out after graduation at 17 with a pile of cash that I had saved from working all kinds of odd jobs and the last two years as an apprentice...money has never been a problem for me because I'm intelligent, but those that are dumb or just lazy get the default minimum wage. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.  |
| Doom Serenity User ID: 34404360 United States02/14/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF Sure, tell that to the businesses/corporations that do not have to pay their employees more. MOST do not raise their employees wages. Don't be a corporate whore, no one likes a corporate whore. I haven't had a minimum wage job since I was 15. Even when I was 16 I was making over minimum. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1456476 United States02/14/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF Adjusted for inflation from 1960 til now minimum wage should be $16/hr. So what was good for teenagers in 1960 is good as a minimum wage today. So yes you are correct. But it doesn't change a thing. I seem to see countries that are raising their wages have higher growth. Australia, Canada, China. And countries that have stagnant wages having stagnant growth. United States, United Kingdom, Germany And countries that have shrinking wages in recession. Portugal, Spain, Greece. Any way you slice it. I'm right. LOL, what's the minimum wage in China? Funny you didn't mention the other two Brief. Australia $16+ per hour. Canada $9.75-$10.30 Both of which are higher than our $7.25/hr and both of which currencies are higher than ours. So again why does that work for them but not the US? The answer is that inflation isn't immediate. There is a lag in the increase in money and the inflation that follows. During that time people can buy more stuff. So again. Why is every country on the planet with a growing economy raising their wages? You can't answer that because it proves you wrong. Whats the cost of living in Canada and Australia compared to where you live? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32020839  Italy02/14/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what a load of hypocricisy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32020839 I like the people who keep saying that is your foult if you get a minum wage. is like telling to all those people that provide important basic services which paycheck is kept low by the market that they should not be intitled to have a home, or eat etc Why people like Brief don't go around and tells simply to the cleaners, waiters etc that they just think they are sub-humans. Obviously sub-humans wich cheapness they can profit every day Just curious what important basic services are you talking about that make minimum wage? those who supply cheap basic services for everyone for their everyday life what you think that the market job is composed only by rocket scientits? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3987337 United States02/14/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF Sure, tell that to the businesses/corporations that do not have to pay their employees more. MOST do not raise their employees wages. Don't be a corporate whore, no one likes a corporate whore. These employees are not slaves. They CHOSE to work for that amount. If they don't like it they can go work elsewhere or self-employ themselves. Or what about getting an EDUCATION where you can demand more money. You are such a whiner, OP. Most of the people working minimum wage jobs these days have college degrees you fucking twat. |
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| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF Adjusted for inflation from 1960 til now minimum wage should be $16/hr. So what was good for teenagers in 1960 is good as a minimum wage today. So yes you are correct. But it doesn't change a thing. I seem to see countries that are raising their wages have higher growth. Australia, Canada, China. And countries that have stagnant wages having stagnant growth. United States, United Kingdom, Germany And countries that have shrinking wages in recession. Portugal, Spain, Greece. Any way you slice it. I'm right. LOL, what's the minimum wage in China? Rising!!! Is it up to two cups of rice/day and a mattress in the corner of the sweatshop apartment house? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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| Daughter of the Revolution User ID: 2636202 United States02/14/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF And if it is then said person better get roommates or just live at home. Where do people get that they are owed anything? There should be no minimum wage. Let the employer set the amount and then a person can decide if they want to work for them or not. I moved out after graduation at 17 with a pile of cash that I had saved from working all kinds of odd jobs and the last two years as an apprentice...money has never been a problem for me because I'm intelligent, but those that are dumb or just lazy get the default minimum wage. "Where do PEOPLE get that they are owed anything?" Where do CORPORATIONS and BUREAUCRATS get that they are owed anything? |
| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what a load of hypocricisy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32020839 I like the people who keep saying that is your foult if you get a minum wage. is like telling to all those people that provide important basic services which paycheck is kept low by the market that they should not be intitled to have a home, or eat etc Why people like Brief don't go around and tells simply to the cleaners, waiters etc that they just think they are sub-humans. Obviously sub-humans wich cheapness they can profit every day The subhumans draw welfare, those that actually work have some integrity... Wait, I though you said you had a job? I own several businesses, why? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33931923 United States02/14/2013 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.upworthy.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18834326 How Many Minimum Wage Hours Does It Take To Afford A Two-Bedroom Apartment In Your State? Washington: 80 Hours - TWICE as much a Full Time Oregon: 71 Hours California: 130 Hours Idaho: 71 Hours Nevada: 92 Hours Utah: 77 Hours Arizona: 85 Hours New Hampshire: 106 Hours - Connecticut: 114 Hours NEW YORK: 136 HOURS MARYLAND: 137 HOURS NEW JERSEY: 138 HOURS - 98 HOURS over FULL TIME What part of this are you Teabilly NOT getting?! Are you brainwashed or just dumb?! Hey, asshat. Entry level jobs paying minimum wage were never expected to support an independent adult or a family. They used to be filed with high school and college kids who were still living at home, basically unskilled labor. If someone is 30, 40, 50 years old and still unskilled, that's their own fault and not the fault of their employer. They deserve whatever living hell they get. I know people who've worked in textiles and furniture their entire lives--we're talking 30-40 years. YOU try getting a job in a depressed economy with such a specialized skill-set when the only jobs available pay minimum with the "opportunity" to advance up to an additional $.25 and hour every other year. It's how capitalism works, fucker. Employers run their business to retain the most profit for themselves, and if they can get the same output from $7.25/hr. from a 16-year old as they can from a 45-year old with three kids to support, who the hell do you think they're going to hire? Just because you come up with some witty retort on the interwebz doesn't give you the moral high ground. Well it all boils down to the question "what is the purpose of a business"? Easy answer - to make money for the owner. Not to create jobs, not to benefit the community, not to sell something. THE PURPOSE OF A BUSINESS, fucknut, IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE OWNERSHIP. That goes from a kid's lemonade stand to a multi-national corporation. Its too bad that you've lived such a sheltered life that no one has ever apparently pulled you aside and told you that. If the employee doesn't like the wage, they are free to leave. If enough employees leave, the business will have to increase wages to entice people to come back to work there. If a competitor business want to hire good employees away, they offer better wages. If you don't like either business, then get out and open your own and compete with them. That's how it works, drone. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3987337 United States02/14/2013 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3987337 Adjusted for inflation from 1960 til now minimum wage should be $16/hr. So what was good for teenagers in 1960 is good as a minimum wage today. So yes you are correct. But it doesn't change a thing. I seem to see countries that are raising their wages have higher growth. Australia, Canada, China. And countries that have stagnant wages having stagnant growth. United States, United Kingdom, Germany And countries that have shrinking wages in recession. Portugal, Spain, Greece. Any way you slice it. I'm right. LOL, what's the minimum wage in China? Funny you didn't mention the other two Brief. Australia $16+ per hour. Canada $9.75-$10.30 Both of which are higher than our $7.25/hr and both of which currencies are higher than ours. So again why does that work for them but not the US? The answer is that inflation isn't immediate. There is a lag in the increase in money and the inflation that follows. During that time people can buy more stuff. So again. Why is every country on the planet with a growing economy raising their wages? You can't answer that because it proves you wrong. Whats the cost of living in Canada and Australia compared to where you live? Me? I live in NYC and I do not make minimum wage. But I would venture to say that NYC is on par with the cost of living in most Australian Cities and slightly higher than Most Canadian cities. Plus we have to buy health insurance and they don't. So if anything our minimum wage should be even higher than theirs. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1456476 United States02/14/2013 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what a load of hypocricisy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32020839 I like the people who keep saying that is your foult if you get a minum wage. is like telling to all those people that provide important basic services which paycheck is kept low by the market that they should not be intitled to have a home, or eat etc Why people like Brief don't go around and tells simply to the cleaners, waiters etc that they just think they are sub-humans. Obviously sub-humans wich cheapness they can profit every day Just curious what important basic services are you talking about that make minimum wage? those who supply cheap basic services for everyone for their everyday life what you think that the market job is composed only by rocket scientits? Important basic services would be Police, Fire, EMC, ect... Non of which make minimum wage. Minimum wage earners are your cashiers, fast food workers, or secertaries which would not be considered important basic services in my opinion. |
| skeptic User ID: 8198777 United States02/14/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what a load of hypocricisy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32020839 I like the people who keep saying that is your foult if you get a minum wage. is like telling to all those people that provide important basic services which paycheck is kept low by the market that they should not be intitled to have a home, or eat etc Why people like Brief don't go around and tells simply to the cleaners, waiters etc that they just think they are sub-humans. Obviously sub-humans wich cheapness they can profit every day The subhumans draw welfare, those that actually work have some integrity... Wait, I though you said you had a job? I own several businesses, why? Because you have no integrity. You didn't get that? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3987337 United States02/14/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.upworthy.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18834326 How Many Minimum Wage Hours Does It Take To Afford A Two-Bedroom Apartment In Your State? Washington: 80 Hours - TWICE as much a Full Time Oregon: 71 Hours California: 130 Hours Idaho: 71 Hours Nevada: 92 Hours Utah: 77 Hours Arizona: 85 Hours New Hampshire: 106 Hours - Connecticut: 114 Hours NEW YORK: 136 HOURS MARYLAND: 137 HOURS NEW JERSEY: 138 HOURS - 98 HOURS over FULL TIME What part of this are you Teabilly NOT getting?! Are you brainwashed or just dumb?! Hey, asshat. Entry level jobs paying minimum wage were never expected to support an independent adult or a family. They used to be filed with high school and college kids who were still living at home, basically unskilled labor. If someone is 30, 40, 50 years old and still unskilled, that's their own fault and not the fault of their employer. They deserve whatever living hell they get. I know people who've worked in textiles and furniture their entire lives--we're talking 30-40 years. YOU try getting a job in a depressed economy with such a specialized skill-set when the only jobs available pay minimum with the "opportunity" to advance up to an additional $.25 and hour every other year. It's how capitalism works, fucker. Employers run their business to retain the most profit for themselves, and if they can get the same output from $7.25/hr. from a 16-year old as they can from a 45-year old with three kids to support, who the hell do you think they're going to hire? Just because you come up with some witty retort on the interwebz doesn't give you the moral high ground. Well it all boils down to the question "what is the purpose of a business"? Easy answer - to make money for the owner. Not to create jobs, not to benefit the community, not to sell something. THE PURPOSE OF A BUSINESS, fucknut, IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE OWNERSHIP. That goes from a kid's lemonade stand to a multi-national corporation. Its too bad that you've lived such a sheltered life that no one has ever apparently pulled you aside and told you that. If the employee doesn't like the wage, they are free to leave. If enough employees leave, the business will have to increase wages to entice people to come back to work there. If a competitor business want to hire good employees away, they offer better wages. If you don't like either business, then get out and open your own and compete with them. That's how it works, drone. Yes exactly. And that's why every so fucking often you have to force them to pay more. |
| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF Adjusted for inflation from 1960 til now minimum wage should be $16/hr. So what was good for teenagers in 1960 is good as a minimum wage today. So yes you are correct. But it doesn't change a thing. I seem to see countries that are raising their wages have higher growth. Australia, Canada, China. And countries that have stagnant wages having stagnant growth. United States, United Kingdom, Germany And countries that have shrinking wages in recession. Portugal, Spain, Greece. Any way you slice it. I'm right. LOL, what's the minimum wage in China? Funny you didn't mention the other two Brief. Australia $16+ per hour. Canada $9.75-$10.30 Both of which are higher than our $7.25/hr and both of which currencies are higher than ours. So again why does that work for them but not the US? The answer is that inflation isn't immediate. There is a lag in the increase in money and the inflation that follows. During that time people can buy more stuff. So again. Why is every country on the planet with a growing economy raising their wages? You can't answer that because it proves you wrong. The cost of living is higher there too...the overall effect of the raise is bad for the economy because it creates inflation, but the temporary gain catches up in 6-12 months and is not worth the price because it solves nothing but creates more problems... Learn about the law of unintended consequences and then teach Obama about it...  I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Daughter of the Revolution User ID: 2636202 United States02/14/2013 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're always posting during the work-day... Why do I have a funny feeling you're collecting SSI, disability, or some sort of a "Oh I injured my self..." and live on a fixed income? All of the ~monsters are on the Government dole; they just want it all for themselves, and they KNOW the country is bankrupt and has been for quite some time... LAZY, DISHONEST. |
| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're always posting during the work-day... Why do I have a funny feeling you're collecting SSI, disability, or some sort of a "Oh I injured my self..." and live on a fixed income? Cause I'm the boss  I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1456476 United States02/14/2013 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny you didn't mention the other two Brief. Australia $16+ per hour. Canada $9.75-$10.30 Both of which are higher than our $7.25/hr and both of which currencies are higher than ours. So again why does that work for them but not the US? The answer is that inflation isn't immediate. There is a lag in the increase in money and the inflation that follows. During that time people can buy more stuff. So again. Why is every country on the planet with a growing economy raising their wages? You can't answer that because it proves you wrong. Whats the cost of living in Canada and Australia compared to where you live? Me? I live in NYC and I do not make minimum wage. But I would venture to say that NYC is on par with the cost of living in most Australian Cities and slightly higher than Most Canadian cities. Plus we have to buy health insurance and they don't. So if anything our minimum wage should be even higher than theirs. [link to www.bls.gov] Looks to me like the average wage for New York is well above minimum wage. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States02/14/2013 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get a roommate. Quoting: LunaticFringe Try to look for one who is worth more than minimum wage. Maybe you could learn something from them. what i learned from roommates is dont get a roomate Or get trained for something where you are making more than minimum wage and you can afford to live by yourself. |
| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Minimum wage is just a starting point for teenagers and people just entering the workforce or the retired as a hobby, it is NOT designed as a career choice. Quoting: BRIEF And if it is then said person better get roommates or just live at home. Where do people get that they are owed anything? There should be no minimum wage. Let the employer set the amount and then a person can decide if they want to work for them or not. I moved out after graduation at 17 with a pile of cash that I had saved from working all kinds of odd jobs and the last two years as an apprentice...money has never been a problem for me because I'm intelligent, but those that are dumb or just lazy get the default minimum wage. "Where do PEOPLE get that they are owed anything?" Where do CORPORATIONS and BUREAUCRATS get that they are owed anything? Public education and college professors that brainwash them to the communist agenda. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33931923 United States02/14/2013 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33931923 Hey, asshat. Entry level jobs paying minimum wage were never expected to support an independent adult or a family. They used to be filed with high school and college kids who were still living at home, basically unskilled labor. If someone is 30, 40, 50 years old and still unskilled, that's their own fault and not the fault of their employer. They deserve whatever living hell they get. I know people who've worked in textiles and furniture their entire lives--we're talking 30-40 years. YOU try getting a job in a depressed economy with such a specialized skill-set when the only jobs available pay minimum with the "opportunity" to advance up to an additional $.25 and hour every other year. It's how capitalism works, fucker. Employers run their business to retain the most profit for themselves, and if they can get the same output from $7.25/hr. from a 16-year old as they can from a 45-year old with three kids to support, who the hell do you think they're going to hire? Just because you come up with some witty retort on the interwebz doesn't give you the moral high ground. Well it all boils down to the question "what is the purpose of a business"? Easy answer - to make money for the owner. Not to create jobs, not to benefit the community, not to sell something. THE PURPOSE OF A BUSINESS, fucknut, IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE OWNERSHIP. That goes from a kid's lemonade stand to a multi-national corporation. Its too bad that you've lived such a sheltered life that no one has ever apparently pulled you aside and told you that. If the employee doesn't like the wage, they are free to leave. If enough employees leave, the business will have to increase wages to entice people to come back to work there. If a competitor business want to hire good employees away, they offer better wages. If you don't like either business, then get out and open your own and compete with them. That's how it works, drone. Yes exactly. And that's why every so fucking often you have to force them to pay more. Who the fuck are you to force them to do anything? Its THEIR business, not YOURS. The market dictates what the pay for employees, not you and not the fucking government. At least in a free county thats supposed to be how it works. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States02/14/2013 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get a roommate. Quoting: LunaticFringe Try to look for one who is worth more than minimum wage. Maybe you could learn something from them. what i learned from roommates is dont get a roomate I agree, although sometimes financial or other restrictions require you to have one. If you can at all AVOID it, of course, do. If you CAN'T, and absolutely MUST get a roommate, DO NOT ROOM WITH A BEST FRIEND, unless you've already lived together. I've seen more friendships torn apart by becoming roommates than anything else, except maybe money. Draw up a roommate agreement. |
| BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States02/14/2013 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: BRIEF Because you have no integrity. You didn't get that? How do you get that I have no integrity, are you stupid? serious question. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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| pinkshirtguy User ID: 1627594 United States02/14/2013 03:28 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol, you earn minimum wage you live in minimum conditions. it may take several hundred hours to live in a nice apartment in the suburbs, but YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED IF YOU ATTEMPT TO DO SO. You make shit, live like it. people need to realize they aren't entitled to an apartment at the nicest and newest lofts downtown when they flip a goddamn burger. as a country, our expectations are not justified by reality. poyl |
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