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Hey there Mr DoodleBrain darwin,... why didn't plants go extinct waiting for your NON-intelligent evo thingy to design them seeds chump?

 
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DGN, you are the best...love your posts! applause2
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you KNOW, if you just believed in evolution, life wouldn't have so many questions


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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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So.... a single celled organism had reproductive cells/organs? 'failure'?
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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So.... a single celled organism had reproductive cells/organs? 'failure'?
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BTW, what do you mean by single celled 'organism'..... is it a single cell or millions of cells forming organs?
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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
 Quoting: david 33758960


My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
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cruise
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The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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Re: Hey there Mr DoodleBrain darwin,... why didn't plants go extinct waiting for your NON-intelligent evo thingy to design them seeds chump?
did you know that fruits and seeds are plant ovaries?
And that the water inside a coconut is called 'endosperm' and is 'triploid' meaning that it contains three sets of chromosomes?
so next time you are enjoying your coconut water remember, that's called ENDOSPERM.

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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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Yes it was or every specie would have gone extinct. Who who wrote their million DNA codes to enable reproduction?
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Hey there Mr omnipotent thingy, why create adamwith nipples, bit of a waste eh???
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Hey there Mr omnipotent thingy, why create adamwith nipples, bit of a waste eh???
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Guess yousure told him huh?
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
 Quoting: david 33758960


cruise
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The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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and yet intergeneric crosses do occur in the plant world.
a notable example = the fatshedera plant, the result of a cross between the genus hedera (ivy) and the genus fatsia (fatsia japonica a houseplant). this yields a new species- fatshedera.

this is a new species, and no amount of scripture will alter that reality.

even among the aforementioned strawberry, intergeneric crosses are possible.

fragaria moschata (musk strawberry) x potentilla fruticosa (flowering cinquefoil) have yielded viable seeds.

although intergeneric crosses are rare, there is little doubt that given billions of years, these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in totally new lines. new species lines that would begin long after your creation event.

of course if you insist in a 6000 year old earth, there is no further need of discussion between us, because we can find no common ground.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
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cruise
 Quoting: LSDreamer


The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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and yet intergeneric crosses do occur in the plant world.
a notable example = the fatshedera plant, the result of a cross between the genus hedera (ivy) and the genus fatsia (fatsia japonica a houseplant). this yields a new species- fatshedera.

this is a new species, and no amount of scripture will alter that reality.

even among the aforementioned strawberry, intergeneric crosses are possible.

fragaria moschata (musk strawberry) x potentilla fruticosa (flowering cinquefoil) have yielded viable seeds.

although intergeneric crosses are rare, there is little doubt that given billions of years, these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in totally new lines. new species lines that would begin long after your creation event.

of course if you insist in a 6000 year old earth, there is no further need of discussion between us, because we can find no common ground.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Human history goes back 6,038 years, the earth's geo history appears to go back billions. As for variety in fruit trees here's evidence of what you're saying.


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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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So.... a single celled organism had reproductive cells/organs? 'failure'?
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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Yes it was or every specie would have gone extinct. Who who wrote their million DNA codes to enable reproduction?
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You ass-ume that genetic code has to be written. You are a buffoon.
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The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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and yet intergeneric crosses do occur in the plant world.
a notable example = the fatshedera plant, the result of a cross between the genus hedera (ivy) and the genus fatsia (fatsia japonica a houseplant). this yields a new species- fatshedera.

this is a new species, and no amount of scripture will alter that reality.

even among the aforementioned strawberry, intergeneric crosses are possible.

fragaria moschata (musk strawberry) x potentilla fruticosa (flowering cinquefoil) have yielded viable seeds.

although intergeneric crosses are rare, there is little doubt that given billions of years, these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in totally new lines. new species lines that would begin long after your creation event.

of course if you insist in a 6000 year old earth, there is no further need of discussion between us, because we can find no common ground.
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Human history goes back 6,038 years, the earth's geo history appears to go back billions. As for variety in fruit trees here's evidence of what you're saying.

 Quoting: DGN


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just out of curiosity, dgn, do you really think that the fruit from these strawberry seeds will be the same as the parent fruit from which they were taken?

they won't be, chances are the f1 generation will show some marked differences from the berries she bought for her experiment.

the f2 generation will almost certainly be a mixed bag of differing fruit size and quality, including some plants whose morphology and fruit will very clearly resemble that of the wild strawberry.

so when god created everything, plants animals, people, all at the same time, why didn't he just make the strawberries huge, luscious , perfect fruit available in supermarkets today?

instead the wild strawberry fruits are tiny in comparison, and far fewer in number.
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Hmmm... never been to Eden?
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Plants come from seeds? Or guess it could be the whole which came first, chicken or egg thing.
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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So.... a single celled organism had reproductive cells/organs? 'failure'?
1rof1
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BTW, what do you mean by single celled 'organism'..... is it a single cell or millions of cells forming organs?
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An organism that's a single cell, genius.
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
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cruise
 Quoting: LSDreamer


The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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Same species doesn't mean exact copies, plants have their own DNA too.
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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Yes it was or every specie would have gone extinct. Who who wrote their million DNA codes to enable reproduction?
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You ass-ume that genetic code has to be written. You are a buffoon.
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Are you saying it isn't?
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Reproduction was pretty well nailed down with the first single cell organisms. You fail again.
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Yes it was or every specie would have gone extinct. Who who wrote their million DNA codes to enable reproduction?
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You ass-ume that genetic code has to be written. You are a buffoon.
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Are you saying it isn't?
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I think what he is saying is that you are anthropomorphisising it; making it into an entity in itself as writing itself or implying that it requires someone else to write it. A base of evolutionist thinking is that it doesn't get written by anything nor does it write itself like a self aware entity.
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This is a silly question and heres why. ALl life started out a single cells. The seeds have evolved in the very early stages whilst still in cellular scale. The microscopic organism instead of multiplying A sexually would instead leave a type of egg with a replica of itself to be born later for some reason I would have to think longer. This grandually evolved into a seed.

Eggs are the same but the microscopic organism of course evolved differently to house its duplicate inside itself in an external pod to be layed and preserved until a short time later.

So we have organisms which spread their seed, others who A sexually duplicate later evolving into birthing, and some organisms that would duplicate itself inside an exoskeleton inside its own body.

This is the brief answer and time frames are much shorter perhaps less than seconds. with the seed type being longest to develop of all.

To summarize plants werent always plants and they could well be walking around like types will be on other planets. They started out as single cell and evolved eventually into a stationary lifeform not needing to find minerals because it evolved to feed on the sun and moisture in the air and ground.
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It doesnt take long to understand, in all varieties some live and some die. Seeds wait to be activated and eggs have all they need to form from its 'mother' inside the egg. The plant always had seeds it just wasnt always a plant.
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My guess is what's left of our poisoned ecosystem causes cancer.
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thank you for your carefully thought out response.
 Quoting: david 33758960


cruise
 Quoting: LSDreamer


The reason strawberries make exact copies of themselves is because their dna directs them to. They cannot 'evolve' into something else, every specie reproduces "according to it's kind" to provide variety and balance in Jehovah's ecosystem.
Ge1;11
And God went on to say: “Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.” And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day." Ge1:11
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Do have any copies of the Watchtower left?
I've run out of kindling for the fire.
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Just do a search on all your own threads DGN, you will find you have been given answers many, many, many times.

Why do you start these threads over and over again? Why not just keep the same one going? I mean really?

The fact that you can't seem to grasp the idea of evolution speaks volumes of your own intelligence. You seem to have a lot of booksmarts, but cannot fathom abstract ideas.

You give up after a little while, wait a day or so, then start a new thread. It's pathetic.
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Just do a search on all your own threads DGN, you will find you have been given answers many, many, many times.

Why do you start these threads over and over again? Why not just keep the same one going? I mean really?

The fact that you can't seem to grasp the idea of evolution speaks volumes of your own intelligence. You seem to have a lot of booksmarts, but cannot fathom abstract ideas.

You give up after a little while, wait a day or so, then start a new thread. It's pathetic.
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This explains why strawberry plants didn't go extinct waiting a million years for the evolution thingy to invent it seeds?
How was the second plant formed without a seed?

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