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you are a dumb fuck of an op.. fuck you and your shortcomings bitch!!
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I bet if you were a millionaire, you wouldn't have written this thread OP.

One sunny day, I hope you will be.
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ain't that a bitchpdance
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I enjoyed the read OP. Thanks for your thoughts.

It's hard to find purpose within this material system...it helps me when I am away from pursuing trivial sexual stimulation, away from technology, and outside of the house.
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Yeah I think the technology is creating more of a trance state for the collective. I can see how this force controls everyone. They are in a hypnotic trance and there is no way to break the trance.

The force doesn't control me as much as everyone else but that's only beccause I pulled out of the self or ego and it's no longer my vantage point. The force is the one that scripts people's thoughts which is why most have these intrusive thoughts when they get racing thoughts..Thoughts in the head are the force ...The emotions are also scripted by this force. Same as ego / self identification is scripted by this force. It makes you think your thoughts are your own and your emotions are your own and it makes you think you're the character you're playing. Who You are is not the thoughts, emotions and role you are playing.

Now alot of people who claim "spiritual" knowing are caught in another trap. They "think" that's it's about bliss or nirvana or some other "candy" but really that's not truly what enlightenment is about. It's really about seeing the prison bars and seeing how everyone is scripted A to Z and how there is no free will..only the appearance of free will.

This force is a manipulative deceptive fucker and that's all. Once you toss one belief it will present an altered version to bring you in again.

This force doesn't appear to be a "higher self" or a "God" but appears to be something else.

My inner world is completely calm, neutral wisdom state and everyone around me is friendly but tangibly nothing changes about the world around me which is a "red flag"

For some reason when you no longer have vantage point of ego/self identification you can truly SEE what is going on to an extent.

It seems the more you TRANCE END the illusions the more the force controls those around you and the more it attempts to control your finances and stuff. Only because IT NO LONGER CONTROLS YOUR MIND. So it works through those around you to manipulate and control you. It seems the more you buy into the bullshit the more you are rewarded by this force.
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sorry about the bold oops
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You're ready for enlightenment OP. You're ready for the real thing. Google Advaita Vedanta, Ramana Maharishi, Yoga Vasistah, I am that I am etc. You'll soon find out all the answers to your questions and this sadness will bloom into a beautiful flower of happiness.

True Happiness.

Good Luck!

hfhfhf
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I'm way further than that. I real eyes that enlightenment is a con as is everything in this world including the "spirituality" trap. We are manipulated and controlled Pavlovian dogs kept on a leash using the monetary system. Trust me I've had interactions with the force that controls this world and it's malevolent. You think you have free will but you really don't. I can see everything now. You are in a prison world. Once you get to where I'm at you can see how everyone is trapped and stuck in a trance. For some reason I woke up way beyond most people even on conspiracy forums. Kind of like Dark City and Mr. Murdoch..I wasn't supposed to wake up but I SEE everything. This force targets me and it targets my finances. I get electronics going on and off and other stuff. This force that controls this world wants you staying on its script otherwise it gets nasty. It's a control freak. It's manipulative and deceptive. I can SEE through everything it does. I have no idea what this force is. It controls everyone around me.
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Sounds like demons or some sort of, as you say, malevolent force.

That being said, though these evil things are real....there are good, loving forces MUCH stronger than those that you feel. The hard thing is that they take much more will to embrace.

My perspective at least...
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I only experience one force at least that's what it appears to be. It's not necessarily malevolent but kind of mechnical in nature towards one side of the spectrum (poopy)...It seems once you evolve beyond the self/ego you no longer have thoughts in the head or emotions and no longer identify with who you thought you were...so it loses the ability to control you..So it resorts to targeting those around you as well as your finances.
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Watch this then if you want to learn:

[link to creditorsincommerce.com]
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Oh the rabbit hole... That should keep you busy for a while. Great stuff!
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I will check it out when I have time. If it is about statutory law and strawman accounts/debit trusts I'm familiar with all of it. Also familiar with symbols, numerology and numbers relating to this world we seem to be in. I will check it out. Sorry but time is super fast.
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You're ready for enlightenment OP. You're ready for the real thing. Google Advaita Vedanta, Ramana Maharishi, Yoga Vasistah, I am that I am etc. You'll soon find out all the answers to your questions and this sadness will bloom into a beautiful flower of happiness.

True Happiness.

Good Luck!

hfhfhf
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I'm way further than that. I real eyes that enlightenment is a con as is everything in this world including the "spirituality" trap. We are manipulated and controlled Pavlovian dogs kept on a leash using the monetary system. Trust me I've had interactions with the force that controls this world and it's malevolent. You think you have free will but you really don't. I can see everything now. You are in a prison world. Once you get to where I'm at you can see how everyone is trapped and stuck in a trance. For some reason I woke up way beyond most people even on conspiracy forums. Kind of like Dark City and Mr. Murdoch..I wasn't supposed to wake up but I SEE everything. This force targets me and it targets my finances. I get electronics going on and off and other stuff. This force that controls this world wants you staying on its script otherwise it gets nasty. It's a control freak. It's manipulative and deceptive. I can SEE through everything it does. I have no idea what this force is. It controls everyone around me.
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I feel like I could have written this paragraph along with some of your other thoughts, having said that you are here for a reason indeed and the illusion part of the world is of the dark force, babylon, the prince of the air(waves) etc., having been blessed with great awakening at 20 yrs old I have ever since seen the world through different eyes, done great amounts of studying, traveling and have had countless supernatural events happen, there is much truth and blueprints to decipher in the illusion, and as much as religion is used to control the masses an enlightened awakened soul will find answers inside himself, around him and in certain sacred texts, purify and humble yourself, don't dismiss God nor Christ because of false teachers, having said that I have also found truth in teachings or teachers from india and egypt, anyways we are almost there. blessings
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My experience is that all beliefs lead to nowhere.
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Beliefs don't need to lead you because they are always changing. Your conscious awareness will lead you by influencing your perception of what you experience. Seek to keep raising your awareness - don't become fixated on beliefs.

Also, be careful telling/reminding yourself that 'believes lead to nowhere'. If you believe your thoughts are useless than you will subconsciously influence yourself to remain at a fixed level of awareness. If you want to transcend this state you are currently experiencing then you need to push the envelop.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Thanks for trying to help. I've been going through this so long I'm afraid sometimes I'm too exhausted to bother anymore.

At a certain point there doesn't seem to be a point anymore

What am I doing in this world anymore anyways? I don't belong here anymore.

Honestly a doom ending would be great but it will never happen. Just another "carrot" like everything else.

I gotta lay down. Thanks for your posts

Careful what you beLIEve Anhedonic. You might "think" you know something but your mind can really be a tricky fucker and convince you of any beLIEf

Okay bed time
 Quoting: OP 1246378


No problem.

I understand where you are coming from with your replies. Just know that 'change' within an individual does not always transpire in a painstakenly slow & linear fashion. Sometimes it occurs exponentially and when you least expect it to. You could throw in the towel and then make certain that nothing else will change for you, or you could choose to acknowledge that you've really got nothing to lose and decide to find the energy to motivate yourself to continue to seek & explore what lies just beyond.

Thanks for the reminder/tip. I'm at a point in my lifetime where my primary objective is to live in awareness of the present moment as much as possible, and to avoid conscious identification with any negative emotions (feelings) that I know will only serve to make my remaining time here unpleasant & uncomfortable. Even if I find myself experiencing a continued state of neutrality that is void of any lasting joy/pleasure, I will be content in knowing that I exercise control over my conscious state - in the sense that I can no longer allow myself to become a victim of my circumstances & emotions the way I had experienced in my past. It's not possible for me to revert back to the way I once was so I will make the best of where I'm at. Every now and then I just need to remind myself that this is only a passing/temporary experience (lifetime) that I'm having here even though it can sometimes feel like an eternity. : )

Nice exchanging thoughts/ideas with you.

:greenkarma:
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Very nice post you wrote.

I'm aware of what you say but after so many years I become a tired boy. Perhaps this is a point for major change in scripting? Or not?

Sometimes words can be perceived as negative but really are just an expllanation for how things truly are. I don't experience this necessarily as negative but more like I'm watching and participating in a bad "B Movie" and I'm ready for a change in scene but the writer just keeps scripting lamesville.

Thing is though it might not be temporary. Because perhaps this force since it has everybody in trance state that it also controls the afterlife and death process so people are fooled into coming back. I think I'm at the point that this won't happen to me but I can't know for sure. But imagine that this force fools you by projecting "death" and gives you an illusion of a certain process..understand?

In other words this force could project a world of beauty around you but perhaps really you're living in some ugly world but don't truly SEE it. Understand?

It seems what blocks perception for others are the egoic thoughts, emotions , identification but also what blocks SEE'ing is downloading or programming plus any attachments to this world. It's as though you're looking towards something and you have things blocking the view like thoughts, emotions, downloading/programming, desires. Once you remove the blocks you can truly SEE and real eyes the trap of this world.
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Watch this then if you want to learn:

[link to creditorsincommerce.com]
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Oh the rabbit hole... That should keep you busy for a while. Great stuff!
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I have been exploring the issues discussed in this video and I find this stuff fascinating, since we have never been educated on any of it. This material must be found; it will never be made widely public.
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Now you've got me really wanting to watch
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Life here is bullshit, everyone knows it, only the ones with the balls to admit it actually do though. The rest live out their days trying to convince themselves that everything they have done had a purpose.

It's a shame that it's too late when they find out their purpose was slavery.
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Yep
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Good thread OP 5 stars. I too have experienced this malevolent force. I experience it every day, pretty badly too. I try not to give it power by believing that it is not running the show, and not losing my hope that the good guys are in control here.
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Obviously you understand
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It's all opposition. You say one thing, we'll say the latter.

That's the point of all of creation, is to have that dualistic, binary balance. Every morning that you wake up, it's a chance for you to choose what side of the fence you want to go on and when you see that the grass is greener on the other side, i'm sure you won't go back. At the end of the day, all the chess pieces go back into the same box.

But you said it yourself... we're stuck here, it's fake, blah blah blah. So it's best to get over it, throw your hands in the air, and try to make the best of it. Do yourself a favor and let it go.

It's a transitory thing as others have said above. I'm very young (23) and going through the same things. Thankfully, i'm coming out of it. Keep your head up and re-direct your attention and focus.
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Sorry but this world is imbalanced one way and all you need to do is look.

The longer you've been in this world the more you've seen the same bullshit scripting. Even though age is bullshit I'm over double your age
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beerhat
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Alcohol doesn't work for me anymore
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Spell words - cast a spell?

Go see a doc.
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Yeah... Just what he needs, Nethertard.

rolleyes
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LOL
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So you are a Christian I presume...
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Indeed. I believe nothing but that Jesus is my Savior.
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Hey whatever works for you.

I'm not a Christian hater ...

I experience the force that controls this world more as a malevolence or let's just say it's imbalanced to one side of things...
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12
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I'm not gonna bash Christians because I know this world can be very confusing. I appreciate your post. Thank you. There is definitely something not right about this world
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You're ready for enlightenment OP. You're ready for the real thing. Google Advaita Vedanta, Ramana Maharishi, Yoga Vasistah, I am that I am etc. You'll soon find out all the answers to your questions and this sadness will bloom into a beautiful flower of happiness.

True Happiness.

Good Luck!

hfhfhf
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I'm way further than that. I real eyes that enlightenment is a con as is everything in this world including the "spirituality" trap. We are manipulated and controlled Pavlovian dogs kept on a leash using the monetary system. Trust me I've had interactions with the force that controls this world and it's malevolent. You think you have free will but you really don't. I can see everything now. You are in a prison world. Once you get to where I'm at you can see how everyone is trapped and stuck in a trance. For some reason I woke up way beyond most people even on conspiracy forums. Kind of like Dark City and Mr. Murdoch..I wasn't supposed to wake up but I SEE everything. This force targets me and it targets my finances. I get electronics going on and off and other stuff. This force that controls this world wants you staying on its script otherwise it gets nasty. It's a control freak. It's manipulative and deceptive. I can SEE through everything it does. I have no idea what this force is. It controls everyone around me.
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Get ready for the ultimate control, when those green pieces of paper become even more worthless, and become mere digits in a computer.

If you don't believe in the Mark of the Beast, perhaps you will, before it';s too late.

I pray so.
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I think the Christians have some things right but not completely. Yes there are forces but be very careful of any writings presented to you in this world. You're correct though that things will likely get worse especially if all of us are changing then it will try and exert more control the more people awaken. Thanks for you post

I wanted to say also that the new age stuff is a HUGE trap and it's not what is being presented. Lightworkers I call "LIE-workers" because they have no idea what they're promoting me things.

It's not so simplistic and things are more confused and complicated because this force is very devious and manipulative.
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I bet if you were a millionaire, you wouldn't have written this thread OP.

One sunny day, I hope you will be.
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ain't that a bitchpdance
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LOL
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You're ready for enlightenment OP. You're ready for the real thing. Google Advaita Vedanta, Ramana Maharishi, Yoga Vasistah, I am that I am etc. You'll soon find out all the answers to your questions and this sadness will bloom into a beautiful flower of happiness.

True Happiness.

Good Luck!

hfhfhf
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I'm way further than that. I real eyes that enlightenment is a con as is everything in this world including the "spirituality" trap. We are manipulated and controlled Pavlovian dogs kept on a leash using the monetary system. Trust me I've had interactions with the force that controls this world and it's malevolent. You think you have free will but you really don't. I can see everything now. You are in a prison world. Once you get to where I'm at you can see how everyone is trapped and stuck in a trance. For some reason I woke up way beyond most people even on conspiracy forums. Kind of like Dark City and Mr. Murdoch..I wasn't supposed to wake up but I SEE everything. This force targets me and it targets my finances. I get electronics going on and off and other stuff. This force that controls this world wants you staying on its script otherwise it gets nasty. It's a control freak. It's manipulative and deceptive. I can SEE through everything it does. I have no idea what this force is. It controls everyone around me.
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I feel like I could have written this paragraph along with some of your other thoughts, having said that you are here for a reason indeed and the illusion part of the world is of the dark force, babylon, the prince of the air(waves) etc., having been blessed with great awakening at 20 yrs old I have ever since seen the world through different eyes, done great amounts of studying, traveling and have had countless supernatural events happen, there is much truth and blueprints to decipher in the illusion, and as much as religion is used to control the masses an enlightened awakened soul will find answers inside himself, around him and in certain sacred texts, purify and humble yourself, don't dismiss God nor Christ because of false teachers, having said that I have also found truth in teachings or teachers from india and egypt, anyways we are almost there. blessings
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Thanks. I hope we're almost there wherever there is. I just feel like I'm on a mouse wheel and waiting to get off. At least you have beautiful mountains around you in Switzerland.
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It's magnificiently difficult to observe this thing that we are, and all existence because it exists in all of us and in everywhere where is light. It is said that beauty is in the eyes of the BEHOLDer, but everything else also is, defined by this existence that reigns in our core selves. To really see it, you should die or experience a real hell/purgatory/"purification", which is possible though ingestion of combination of certain substances and preparation, but certainly you won't see this so-called egregore in our everyday 3D dimension, maybe through some secret esoteric teachings or Eleysian mysteries that aren't in public sight, and if they are it's difficult to comprehend. And it's pretty hard to take that you have absolutely NO POWER over it, it's really a terrific machination, though it seems pretty crazy to even think of its existence..

What you seem to refer from my point of view OP, is the absolute freedom from this illusion that brings forth all beings, though to describe it is impossible through words, but if one could "tap" into the emptiness of reality as it truely is, it would be possible to do many things, to manifest your own reality. Perhaps the purpose of this egregore is for you to recognize it, to find out how it operates, and ultimately grow out of it. Sounds like fantasy though, haha.

It's one or the other.

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OP, are you still here? If you are here let me know.
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It's magnificiently difficult to observe this thing that we are, and all existence because it exists in all of us and in everywhere where is light. It is said that beauty is in the eyes of the BEHOLDer, but everything else also is, defined by this existence that reigns in our core selves. To really see it, you should die or experience a real hell/purgatory/"purification", which is possible though ingestion of combination of certain substances and preparation, but certainly you won't see this so-called egregore in our everyday 3D dimension, maybe through some secret esoteric teachings or Eleysian mysteries that aren't in public sight, and if they are it's difficult to comprehend. And it's pretty hard to take that you have absolutely NO POWER over it, it's really a terrific machination, though it seems pretty crazy to even think of its existence..

What you seem to refer from my point of view OP, is the absolute freedom from this illusion that brings forth all beings, though to describe it is impossible through words, but if one could "tap" into the emptiness of reality as it truely is, it would be possible to do many things, to manifest your own reality. Perhaps the purpose of this egregore is for you to recognize it, to find out how it operates, and ultimately grow out of it. Sounds like fantasy though, haha.

It's one or the other.

militia
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Very nice post. Yes these Luciferian Egregore or whatever you want to call them are an unseen force. The Gnostics called them Archons and people like Don Juan Matus called them Flyers. Whatever the name I can see how they control people. A good analogy would be the Goa'uld from Stargate SG-l show. Parasitic alien thoughtforms. They control the "elite" just as much as everyone else. Intellect/logic is promoted in this world for a reason also. I think this tranceworld is maintained by use of symbols and numerology but also by using the duality of masculine/feminine or polarities. Also events to be used as "markers" to maintain the trance state which is why things are getting more extreme because perhaps more people are waking up...How do you make an illusion seem real? You make events seem more extreme. Key seems to be in NOT REACTING to anything in your world. Be aware that all your emotions and thoughts in your head are from this force but also that you're not who you think you are.

I realize that anything is possible which is why I remain open to the possibilities...whether anything is gonna change is a different story...Let's just say I don't buy into doom dates haha
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OP, are you still here? If you are here let me know.
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Yes I am. Went for a walk and now I am back for the moment
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Very nice post. Yes these Luciferian Egregore or whatever you want to call them are an unseen force. The Gnostics called them Archons and people like Don Juan Matus called them Flyers. Whatever the name I can see how they control people. A good analogy would be the Goa'uld from Stargate SG-l show. Parasitic alien thoughtforms. They control the "elite" just as much as everyone else. Intellect/logic is promoted in this world for a reason also. I think this tranceworld is maintained by use of symbols and numerology but also by using the duality of masculine/feminine or polarities. Also events to be used as "markers" to maintain the trance state which is why things are getting more extreme because perhaps more people are waking up...How do you make an illusion seem real? You make events seem more extreme. Key seems to be in NOT REACTING to anything in your world. Be aware that all your emotions and thoughts in your head are from this force but also that you're not who you think you are.

I realize that anything is possible which is why I remain open to the possibilities...whether anything is gonna change is a different story...Let's just say I don't buy into doom dates haha
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Thanks, good allegories there. It is really difficult to keep hold of your thoughts (or should I say dominating spirits) when they seem to come out of nowhere. I don't know if we could really come into controlling these natural forces that govern us and pretty much the whole world, it takes enormous willpower to have even control of oneself.
And by control I don't mean any kind of stupid repression that society or surroundings try to impose upon you, but simply being calm and aware, and widening senses of understanding and composure.

Once in a certain ceremony I was able to identify this "light" energy that I felt myself as being (hard to explain) but it was very difficult to control, it kept growing and growing until I lost all control of it and myself and my mind and the energy just poured out of me in a rather violent way. Afterwards I realized that if I was to control/have these creative energies I'd really have to improve upon my mental and bodily functions in order to understand all the surrounding phenomena. It's not possible to comprehend higher energies while doing degrading things, one has to become polished and refined for the purpose, that's why secret societies remain secret, because wrong and unprepared people abuse power or are abused by it. Have to climb the tree to get to the top, and we as a collective mankind haven't even started climbing yet, at least in our current society. I guess everybody's just waiting for something or somebody to change their lives and pull them out of their boring lives.

Thinking about these always connect to so many things and even if I have examined and searched these things all my life, it still feels as if I'm at the starting line. I don't think there is really any polarity, it's something we have learned and what others have taught, neither is there any religions or believes, they're just concepts of man. Only things there is, is experience, and we experience 1. what we want to experience, and 2. what our environment gives us to experience. It's hard to know which experiences are truly valuable and necessary, maybe it's just grasping what you personally see valuable in life and go for it.

We all know so little, I only know what I know Now, maybe it serves some underlying purpose in being human. Though it would be so nice, so convenient to be able to pour all my knowledge in one single act, but such ain't possible through writing. ;)

Anyways gotta go now, cheers.
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you are losing your mind. seek help.
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OP, are you still here? If you are here let me know.
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Yes I am. Went for a walk and now I am back for the moment
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Alright, I hope you enjoyed your walk. :) First of all great topic, this is the topic that really needs more spotlight. I am also familiar with the website you linked here "illuminatimatrix", the author seems to be also well versed in this subject but I would still take everything I read on that site and every other source with grain of salt. For usually it happens that truth is hidden underneath much rubbish and corruption, and to attain or find that truth one has to really dig deep into rabbit hole. And as you most likely already know that most corrupt ideas and things could be most pleasant looking and sounding, since you already mentioned the corruption of New Age movement, and all the philosophies and beliefs that embrace the same or similar patterns of thoughts.

Beliefs are like layers of onion, one you remove one, you find there is another one hidden underneath, and you keep removing the layers until you reach the center and you find that it's hollow, and in the end you are left with nothing but tears that you shed through walking that journey, to realize that what we hold as truth had no solid foundation but was standing upon emptiness is definitely painful experience, and most of people would rather just not take that painful but necessary step to finding the truth, as is was said "For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it...But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

In one of your previous comments you said Now alot of people who claim "spiritual" knowing are caught in another trap. They "think" that's it's about bliss or nirvana or some other "candy" but really that's not truly what enlightenment is about. It's really about seeing the prison bars and seeing how everyone is scripted A to Z and how there is no free will..only the appearance of free will.

I truly couldn't have said it better myself, True Enlightenment is not result of orgasmic ecstasy that follows after the Psycho-Sexual energy (Kundalini Serpent) has been aroused, this only cause adept to fall into much deeper Hypnotic Trance-State, and so they falsely misinterpret that as true "Enlightenment" The true Enlightenment how ever is to realize that this seemingly beautiful and phenomenal world we live in is PRISON, not only for our bodies but more importantly for that which dwells within each one of us, call it soul or whatever.

Let me know if you want to hear more, or if you have questions.
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Very nice post. Yes these Luciferian Egregore or whatever you want to call them are an unseen force. The Gnostics called them Archons and people like Don Juan Matus called them Flyers. Whatever the name I can see how they control people. A good analogy would be the Goa'uld from Stargate SG-l show. Parasitic alien thoughtforms. They control the "elite" just as much as everyone else. Intellect/logic is promoted in this world for a reason also. I think this tranceworld is maintained by use of symbols and numerology but also by using the duality of masculine/feminine or polarities. Also events to be used as "markers" to maintain the trance state which is why things are getting more extreme because perhaps more people are waking up...How do you make an illusion seem real? You make events seem more extreme. Key seems to be in NOT REACTING to anything in your world. Be aware that all your emotions and thoughts in your head are from this force but also that you're not who you think you are.

I realize that anything is possible which is why I remain open to the possibilities...whether anything is gonna change is a different story...Let's just say I don't buy into doom dates haha
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Thanks, good allegories there. It is really difficult to keep hold of your thoughts (or should I say dominating spirits) when they seem to come out of nowhere. I don't know if we could really come into controlling these natural forces that govern us and pretty much the whole world, it takes enormous willpower to have even control of oneself.
And by control I don't mean any kind of stupid repression that society or surroundings try to impose upon you, but simply being calm and aware, and widening senses of understanding and composure.

Once in a certain ceremony I was able to identify this "light" energy that I felt myself as being (hard to explain) but it was very difficult to control, it kept growing and growing until I lost all control of it and myself and my mind and the energy just poured out of me in a rather violent way. Afterwards I realized that if I was to control/have these creative energies I'd really have to improve upon my mental and bodily functions in order to understand all the surrounding phenomena. It's not possible to comprehend higher energies while doing degrading things, one has to become polished and refined for the purpose, that's why secret societies remain secret, because wrong and unprepared people abuse power or are abused by it. Have to climb the tree to get to the top, and we as a collective mankind haven't even started climbing yet, at least in our current society. I guess everybody's just waiting for something or somebody to change their lives and pull them out of their boring lives.

Thinking about these always connect to so many things and even if I have examined and searched these things all my life, it still feels as if I'm at the starting line. I don't think there is really any polarity, it's something we have learned and what others have taught, neither is there any religions or believes, they're just concepts of man. Only things there is, is experience, and we experience 1. what we want to experience, and 2. what our environment gives us to experience. It's hard to know which experiences are truly valuable and necessary, maybe it's just grasping what you personally see valuable in life and go for it.

We all know so little, I only know what I know Now, maybe it serves some underlying purpose in being human. Though it would be so nice, so convenient to be able to pour all my knowledge in one single act, but such ain't possible through writing. ;)

Anyways gotta go now, cheers.
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From day one we are downloaded with bullshit programming and there it starts. I was lucky going through this that I never read "spiritual" books or any of that shit because it is a liability in that it clouds perception and already gives you a preconceived notion of things

In my experience the emotions are an illusion but the only way beyond the illusion of emotions is by emoting and that is about connecting current emotional baggage with past emotional kaka and connecting dots and eliminating patterns. Emotions are biggest blocks to truly SEE'ing this world for what it is
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you are losing your mind. seek help.
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“If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool or crazy.” Carl Gustav Jung quote

Everybody in this world is at different levels of awakening or awareness. There is more to this world then meets the eye.

That's why witches were burned at the stake. Because the general population are simpletons who can't SEE beyond their programming. Anything that isn't within the programming terrifies them and they want everyone to conform to the programming. That's why there are holocausts. That's why there are DSM classifications.

"We are Borg prepare to be assimilated"

Did ya ever wonder why there are so many zombie movies and vampire movies? It relates to what I'm talking about. The world of the "living dead". But you won't understand it unless you can SEE it.

The whole pharma industry is about keeping people in the hypnotic trance state. Same as alcohol and drugs. Same as all the other can-dies in this world.
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you are losing your mind. seek help.
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“If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool or crazy.” Carl Gustav Jung quote

Everybody in this world is at different levels of awakening or awareness. There is more to this world then meets the eye.

That's why witches were burned at the stake. Because the general population are simpletons who can't SEE beyond their programming. Anything that isn't within the programming terrifies them and they want everyone to conform to the programming. That's why there are holocausts. That's why there are DSM classifications.

"We are Borg prepare to be assimilated"

Did ya ever wonder why there are so many zombie movies and vampire movies? It relates to what I'm talking about. The world of the "living dead". But you won't understand it unless you can SEE it.

The whole pharma industry is about keeping people in the hypnotic trance state. Same as alcohol and drugs. Same as all the other can-dies in this world.
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you are losing your mind. seek help.
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“If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool or crazy.” Carl Gustav Jung quote

Everybody in this world is at different levels of awakening or awareness. There is more to this world then meets the eye.

That's why witches were burned at the stake. Because the general population are simpletons who can't SEE beyond their programming. Anything that isn't within the programming terrifies them and they want everyone to conform to the programming. That's why there are holocausts. That's why there are DSM classifications.

"We are Borg prepare to be assimilated"

Did ya ever wonder why there are so many zombie movies and vampire movies? It relates to what I'm talking about. The world of the "living dead". But you won't understand it unless you can SEE it.

The whole pharma industry is about keeping people in the hypnotic trance state. Same as alcohol and drugs. Same as all the other can-dies in this world.
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OP, are you still here? If you are here let me know.
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Yes I am. Went for a walk and now I am back for the moment
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Alright, I hope you enjoyed your walk. :) First of all great topic, this is the topic that really needs more spotlight. I am also familiar with the website you linked here "illuminatimatrix", the author seems to be also well versed in this subject but I would still take everything I read on that site and every other source with grain of salt. For usually it happens that truth is hidden underneath much rubbish and corruption, and to attain or find that truth one has to really dig deep into rabbit hole. And as you most likely already know that most corrupt ideas and things could be most pleasant looking and sounding, since you already mentioned the corruption of New Age movement, and all the philosophies and beliefs that embrace the same or similar patterns of thoughts.

Beliefs are like layers of onion, one you remove one, you find there is another one hidden underneath, and you keep removing the layers until you reach the center and you find that it's hollow, and in the end you are left with nothing but tears that you shed through walking that journey, to realize that what we hold as truth had no solid foundation but was standing upon emptiness is definitely painful experience, and most of people would rather just not take that painful but necessary step to finding the truth, as is was said "For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it...But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

In one of your previous comments you said Now alot of people who claim "spiritual" knowing are caught in another trap. They "think" that's it's about bliss or nirvana or some other "candy" but really that's not truly what enlightenment is about. It's really about seeing the prison bars and seeing how everyone is scripted A to Z and how there is no free will..only the appearance of free will.

I truly couldn't have said it better myself, True Enlightenment is not result of orgasmic ecstasy that follows after the Psycho-Sexual energy (Kundalini Serpent) has been aroused, this only cause adept to fall into much deeper Hypnotic Trance-State, and so they falsely misinterpret that as true "Enlightenment" The true Enlightenment how ever is to realize that this seemingly beautiful and phenomenal world we live in is PRISON, not only for our bodies but more importantly for that which dwells within each one of us, call it soul or whatever.

Let me know if you want to hear more, or if you have questions.
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Yes I agree with most of what you write. The illuminati matrix website goes a bit too far but there is underlying "truth" in the message. What I usually tell people is to take what you like and toss the rest. But people usually like to shoot the messenger rather than getting the message.

I especially love what you wrote in your last paragraph because it's soooo true. I'm trying to deconstruct things even further by disidentifying with stories also as well as beLIEfs. As you said there are layers of beLIEfs. But also I have created a new vocabulary for words and for example I now call money digits. I do it with certain power words just to change my perceptions.

But yeah it's seriously about deconstructing the self and eliminating all programming/downloading/history/emotional kaka/beliefs and also about DETACHING from the can-dies pre-sent-ed by the can-dy-man.

Yes I would definitely like to hear more. Just type away because you are adding lots of VALUE to the discussion.

I'm gonna go do some things but I will be back latest 4am European Central Time

You seem like you're where I'm at wherever that is. I could use some more words from you at this moment.
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One other thing before I stop posting for the moment.

You mentioned that you hope I enjoyed my walk or something like that. I'll tell you when I've gone running it's almost as if the scenery is going by and I'm just running in place or not going anywhere the same as when I walk. I feel almost robotic when I'm walking around.

When I interact with people the scripting is so obvious now that I don't talk to anybody really. Usually they are trying to sell me this world. Like it's a "paradise". I don't really enjoy anything other than a few foods (too much green paper to buy those) and mountains/trees. Seems detachment process is a continuing process also

I wanted to ask you if you believe it's possible to pull your consciousness out of this world? What I'm going through has the appearance of pulling my consciousness out but even my senses are not to be trusted fully.

I'm aware the body has its own mind of sorts but since my consciousness now is at a certain place I manage to control it for the most part which, for example, is why I don't get sick already over a decade anymore.

I know I'm capable of much more but I'm really looking to progress faster.

I definitely feel as a "divine bird" trapped in a cage.

Not only would I like your opinion on my pulling my consciousness out but what are your views on this force I talk about??

I'll try to pop in in a couple hours should I have time.

Also your input on the financial shit. It seems when you deconstruct self that the financial stuff goes into the toilet...

Thank you for your post.

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