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The problem isn't technology, it's what some people do with it. The inventor of the wheel isn't responsible for car crashes, and the programmer isn't responsible for spyware.

Living off the land, on the other extreme, is an endless treadmill of survival, and you get no days off. It's you against nature: weather, pests, weeds, predators, disease... somehow living off the land isn't as wonderful as some people make it sound.

Somewhere between raw survival and complete separation between us and the earth and each other is a happy balance point. And no two of us will find it at the same place.

The world needs all kinds of people or most of us would be unnecessary.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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computer programmers make the world go round.
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Yes, a completely Satanic child sacrificing world.

Well done! Rivers of blood are your prize.
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, soeaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, speaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
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Don't feel bad, I was a programmer for almost 20 years. Couldn't take it anymore so I left everything behind and went on a journey. Now I'm a digital video artist and musician. Woohoo!
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, speaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
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SDK for Quantum Programming are in Python only. They have closed the window for developers to test their tool kits for now.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]

Who would've thunk that Python will be the language of all languages going forward?
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Who would've thunk that Python will be the language of all languages going forward?
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"Oracles" tell the future of Qaedas and databases of all kinds.

The future says: Earth will continue to be fucked by soulless douchebags seeking sheckles and material wealth.
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I write programs in Brainf**k and I live in my mother's basement.
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The OP hates his job. Meanwhile, another guy in this thread loves his. Strangely enough, both are programmers. Perhaps there's nothing inherently awful about programming as such then? Perhaps it's mostly a matter of personal preference?

I'm not saying the OP is wrong to hate his job, but he should really try to find what he loves, instead of complaining about what he hates. Programming is not a bad job, it's just a bad job for the OP, for whatever reason.

There is a stupid bug somewhere in the OP's brain code, and I bet it looks something like this:


if (i_am_satisfied = FALSE) pursue_my_dreams();
else keep_doing_the_same_thing_forever();


Any C++ coder should find the bug above pretty quickly! ;-)


P.S. This is the guy I referred to who loves being a programmer:

I have been programming for over 20 years and love every minute of it. So far I was lucky to work for small, startup companies, or consulting, always doing stuff I haven't done before, always new challenges. The skills do accumulate, so I have become quicker when jumping into new languages, systems and interfaces.

I have done just about anything that's out there, from modem and hard drive firmware (even in machine code for strange, primitive processors), to operating systems, multiprocessor job control systems, specialized libraries for programmers, web filtering (designed and coded Cyber Patrol in the early days of Netscape), Windows, Linux and OSX/iOS high speed networking, servers & clients for variety of protocols from specs & from scratch (such as http, dns, smtp, snmp) peer to peer systems,device drivers, compression programs (for graphics & audio, compressed data bases), GPS servers and clients, smart screen magnifiers for users with poor vision and input methods for motorically handicapped (e.g. Morse code via puffs or blinks or cheek twitches), golfing application for iPhone (e.g. measures slope & distance to hole, suggests club, kind & direction of swing, shows trajectories), remote PC desktop & remote webcams control/view for clients in Java, Javascript, iPhone native code, tele-conferencing system, software & firmware for Data Center switches and routers,...

The translation of required behaviors into algorithmic patterns, then of those into code, has become second nature, it just flows without thinking, like talking or breathing air. Debugging is fun, too, like solving new puzzles, or like detective solving a murder mystery.

The most enjoyableis the initial nurturing of a program from a little seed, laying out classes and data structures, simulating their behaviours in the mental models of the system I am looking to create. If you learn how to do that right, the program grows like a network (a graph with adaptable links, functioning just like human brain), a live being with intelligence of its own unfolding by itself in perfect harmony, like fertilized egg growing into a newborn baby, with my brain acting as its substratum, my fingers as its fingers. Once that phase takes off, it becomes completely effortless on my part. I don't even need to think any more, the network thinks it through better than I ever could, it knows exactly what it needs, where it should go, and it merely "asks" me what to do next.
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I was a maintenace programmer for 35 years and the greatest satisfaction I have now is knowing that somewhere in the world at any moment there is a job abort occuring and I do not nor will not respond to it...Eat that users!!! I sleep through the night like a baby...
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, soeaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34399218


QC hustlers are selling fools gold (I did master's thesis on the Quantum Paradoxes and know a bit on the subject).

Did you know that the key experimental element, the violation of Bell Inequalities, which underlies the whole concept of QC, has not been experimentally established, despite fifty years of intense attempts. The QC hustlers say, it was confirmed, except for some "loopholes". That's like a magician who shows you the magic box, but only one compartment at time, with the other one always closed while the first one is open.

A recent paper [link to arxiv.org] compares the situation with failed Bell Inequality voilation claims to perpetuum mobile claims of 18th and 19-th century [link to en.wikipedia.org] before the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics drove the last nail into that coffin. He and collaboratos have been battling these claims since 1980 (Aspect's experiment, the most famous of the violation claims), finding and pointing out the loopholes in every single one.

The "loophole free" test of Bell Inequalities violation has thus become a holy grail in the field (not overly publicized beyond the circle of experts).

Without the genuine confirmation of Bell Inequalities violations, the whole QC field is rendered equivalent to a classical analog computers, e.g. like "computing" sin(x) by measuring period of a pendulum (where sin(x) occurs in the formula) -- while it's a cute demo to a physics class, it's a dead end from practical computing perspective. A calculator on your iPhone will compute the same sin(x) to many more digits in one millionth of a time than it takes pendulum to make one swing (you would need many of swings to get even the 3 digits of the sin(x) accurately). Even the processor in the stopwatch used to measure the period of the pendulum could calculate sin(x) directly, in a fraction of time for one swing.
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So many small minds happy to type code.

Every key you press, is remembered and will be judged.
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The ultimate re-write of a program with a re-boot that will change everything is to re-write the money system.

GET SUPER RICH IN A NEW MONEY SYSTEM; THE WORLD IS WAITING! THE MARKET IS NEARLY EVERYONE!

Most of you programmers are smarter than I am, but read through this thread, give yourself some time to absorb the ideas, and reprogram the entire social structure:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
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The ultimate re-write of a program with a re-boot that will change everything is to re-write the money system.

GET SUPER RICH IN A NEW MONEY SYSTEM; THE WORLD IS WAITING! THE MARKET IS NEARLY EVERYONE!

Most of you programmers are smarter than I am, but read through this thread, give yourself some time to absorb the ideas, and reprogram the entire social structure:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
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Thanks Levi Philos, I posted a response in your epic thread.
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Money is itself a social language.

Rewrite societies language of exchange; reboot society.
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Work hard. Save. Get a place in the woods. Live simply.
Retire. Be happy.
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Money is itself a social language.

Rewrite societies language of exchange; reboot society.
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Yes and "work" or "having a job" is programming.

The program runs each day, and the human gets a paycheck and feels success.

Levi Philos, in your thread you mentioned Engineers and I explained how they can go bad, or be used for ill. I think I pointed this out. Anyway, yes, all workers are programmed daily. Especially the shameful group called "programmers" and particularly those who manage and employ them.

Now a days its a given that we are run by corporations. Look at all the dumb nullunits in this thread getting their paycheck and thinking they're smart. Like I said, most people do not escape the money planet called Earth, without seriously bruising our outright crushing their own souls. My employment in the IT sector for the last 15 years has confirmed this for me, and I don't care what anyone else says, because I worked it and I lived it. Not once did I work for a manager in IT who had even an ounce of self worth. Money is their God, so your thread about money and goverrnments, is very dear to me as it is chock full of truth.
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Thanks Levi Philos, I posted a response in your epic thread.
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Thanks for the bump Bouncer; I made one post there and now will start my workday at real stuff.
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Tron posts: "Yes and "work" or "having a job" is programming.

The program runs each day, and the human gets a paycheck and feels success.

In your thread you mentioned Engineers and I explained how they can go bad, or be used for ill. I think I pointed this out. Anyway, yes, all workers are programmed daily. Especially the shameful group called "programmers" and particularly those who manage and employ them.


More truth... Thanks again.
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Work hard. Save. Get a place in the woods. Live simply.
Retire. Be happy.
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but can i cut wood and collect rain water without some kind of levy

kachingggg?
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, soeaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34399218


QC hustlers are selling fools gold (I did master's thesis on the Quantum Paradoxes and know a bit on the subject).

Did you know that the key experimental element, the violation of Bell Inequalities, which underlies the whole concept of QC, has not been experimentally established, despite fifty years of intense attempts. The QC hustlers say, it was confirmed, except for some "loopholes". That's like a magician who shows you the magic box, but only one compartment at time, with the other one always closed while the first one is open.

A recent paper [link to arxiv.org] compares the situation with failed Bell Inequality voilation claims to perpetuum mobile claims of 18th and 19-th century [link to en.wikipedia.org] before the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics drove the last nail into that coffin. He and collaboratos have been battling these claims since 1980 (Aspect's experiment, the most famous of the violation claims), finding and pointing out the loopholes in every single one.

The "loophole free" test of Bell Inequalities violation has thus become a holy grail in the field (not overly publicized beyond the circle of experts).

Without the genuine confirmation of Bell Inequalities violations, the whole QC field is rendered equivalent to a classical analog computers, e.g. like "computing" sin(x) by measuring period of a pendulum (where sin(x) occurs in the formula) -- while it's a cute demo to a physics class, it's a dead end from practical computing perspective. A calculator on your iPhone will compute the same sin(x) to many more digits in one millionth of a time than it takes pendulum to make one swing (you would need many of swings to get even the 3 digits of the sin(x) accurately). Even the processor in the stopwatch used to measure the period of the pendulum could calculate sin(x) directly, in a fraction of time for one swing.
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Yes but there is a difference between your espoused theory and actuality. You see, these guys already have a working quantum computer, so it seems they have overcome the paradoxes and loopholes.
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They claim they want it faster and cheaper, they just want it bloated and slower so hardware sales will go up.

Imagine the speed we could have today if we optimized to the 80 and 90s standards when hardware was uber weak.
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this has so much win.

I ask my self that everyday . Why upgrade to faster hardware.
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im really looking forward to the day something annihilates this present system. im okay with it taken me out if need be to accomplish this.
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, soeaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34399218

QC hustlers are selling fools gold (I did master's thesis on the Quantum Paradoxes and know a bit on the subject).

Did you know that the key experimental element, the violation of Bell Inequalities, which underlies the whole concept of QC, has not been experimentally established, despite fifty years of intense attempts. The QC hustlers say, it was confirmed, except for some "loopholes". That's like a magician who shows you the magic box, but only one compartment at time, with the other one always closed while the first one is open.

A recent paper [link to arxiv.org] compares the situation with failed Bell Inequality voilation claims to perpetuum mobile claims of 18th and 19-th century [link to en.wikipedia.org] before the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics drove the last nail into that coffin. He and collaboratos have been battling these claims since 1980 (Aspect's experiment, the most famous of the violation claims), finding and pointing out the loopholes in every single one.

The "loophole free" test of Bell Inequalities violation has thus become a holy grail in the field (not overly publicized beyond the circle of experts).

Without the genuine confirmation of Bell Inequalities violations, the whole QC field is rendered equivalent to a classical analog computers, e.g. like "computing" sin(x) by measuring period of a pendulum (where sin(x) occurs in the formula) -- while it's a cute demo to a physics class, it's a dead end from practical computing perspective. A calculator on your iPhone will compute the same sin(x) to many more digits in one millionth of a time than it takes pendulum to make one swing (you would need many of swings to get even the 3 digits of the sin(x) accurately). Even the processor in the stopwatch used to measure the period of the pendulum could calculate sin(x) directly, in a fraction of time for one swing.
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Yes but there is a difference between your espoused theory and actuality. You see, these guys already have a working quantum computer, so it seems they have overcome the paradoxes and loopholes.
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no.

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Well, In some ways for digital designers it's the same sitting in front a computer all day writting Verilog code and simulating it's functionality.

I have been facinated with electronics since I was about 8 yo and I'm now 59. I started as a technician at Texas Instruments when I was 19 and have always loved every minute of it especislly when my hands are on the hardware. It's only been in the last 12 years that I kinda got stuck writing code.

It's still interesting, but it's getting more frustrating........ mainly because the people who write the software tools I use not only create non intuitive functionality, but try to pack too fricking much capability that they can't keep track of. I'm not saying it's all bad mind you, perhaps I'm just not adapting fast enough as I get older.

One thing though I will never be sick and tired of it. Always something new to learn.
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Here is the future of computers: Quantum Computers

A British Columbia, Canada company is leading this, having designed one already.

The CIA took notice and heavily invested in it.

The fact that the Canadian Government allowed them to, soeaks volumes.

[link to www.dwavesys.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34399218

QC hustlers are selling fools gold (I did master's thesis on the Quantum Paradoxes and know a bit on the subject).

Did you know that the key experimental element, the violation of Bell Inequalities, which underlies the whole concept of QC, has not been experimentally established, despite fifty years of intense attempts. The QC hustlers say, it was confirmed, except for some "loopholes". That's like a magician who shows you the magic box, but only one compartment at time, with the other one always closed while the first one is open.

A recent paper [link to arxiv.org] compares the situation with failed Bell Inequality voilation claims to perpetuum mobile claims of 18th and 19-th century [link to en.wikipedia.org] before the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics drove the last nail into that coffin. He and collaboratos have been battling these claims since 1980 (Aspect's experiment, the most famous of the violation claims), finding and pointing out the loopholes in every single one.

The "loophole free" test of Bell Inequalities violation has thus become a holy grail in the field (not overly publicized beyond the circle of experts).

Without the genuine confirmation of Bell Inequalities violations, the whole QC field is rendered equivalent to a classical analog computers, e.g. like "computing" sin(x) by measuring period of a pendulum (where sin(x) occurs in the formula) -- while it's a cute demo to a physics class, it's a dead end from practical computing perspective. A calculator on your iPhone will compute the same sin(x) to many more digits in one millionth of a time than it takes pendulum to make one swing (you would need many of swings to get even the 3 digits of the sin(x) accurately). Even the processor in the stopwatch used to measure the period of the pendulum could calculate sin(x) directly, in a fraction of time for one swing.
 Quoting: nightlight7

Yes but there is a difference between your espoused theory and actuality. You see, these guys already have a working quantum computer, so it seems they have overcome the paradoxes and loopholes.
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no.

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Sorry wafflehead but you are wrong. They have a quantum computer.

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The OP hates his job. Meanwhile, another guy in this thread loves his. Strangely enough, both are programmers. Perhaps there's nothing inherently awful about programming as such then? Perhaps it's mostly a matter of personal preference?

I'm not saying the OP is wrong to hate his job, but he should really try to find what he loves, instead of complaining about what he hates. Programming is not a bad job, it's just a bad job for the OP, for whatever reason.

There is a stupid bug somewhere in the OP's brain code, and I bet it looks something like this:


if (i_am_satisfied = FALSE) pursue_my_dreams();
else keep_doing_the_same_thing_forever();


Any C++ coder should find the bug above pretty quickly! ;-)

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Yes, you assigned i_am_satisfied the value of false in your if statement, which means pursue_my_dreams() will always be called.

This error would of course apply (syntactically correct) in most c-based languages (c, c++, c#, etc.) but I get your drift.

I'll have been a professional developer for 20 years in May of 2013, and I'm fucking sick of it. Always learning new shit to do the same old shit yet again, meanwhile management wants everything done yesterday...

Nah, fuck it. There's more to life.

I'm out of it. Hopefully by June of this year I'll have told my company to go fuck itself. And I'll never look back.
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Yes but there is a difference between your espoused theory and actuality.
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It's not my theory but a plain fact known by who cared to study the subject -- there was no "loophole free" Bell Inequalities violation ever produced in an experiment. Or in plain language, without weasel words -- there was no violation that actually violates the inequalities. Or even more plainly: no experiment ever worked.

Here is a news article from couple weeks ago about a new grant for large international research effort, aiming to find how to conduct a "loophole free" Bell Inequalities violation experiment: [link to newscenter.iupui.edu]

The whole QC promise rests on a conjecture (BI violations) which has resisted experimental confirmation for over five decades of intense experimantal pursuit. The BI violation is the key cog of the whole scheme which has to work, or the whole scheme is a fools gold.

You see, these guys already have a working quantum computer, so it seems they have overcome the paradoxes and loopholes.

The salesman would say that about the product he sells, wouldn't he. Anyone who studies the subject, such as the physicists in the above team, acknowledges that there was no "loophole free" violation of BI observed, ever. That's a well known fact recognized by experts.

And without that violation, the real one without weasel words, there is no QC or any other magic these folks are promising. If you want to invest into these QC guys, it's your money. For others, keep in mind that so far, after decades of research, no one was able to show experimentally that the key cog of the scheme exists at all.
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Yes but there is a difference between your espoused theory and actuality. You see, these guys already have a working quantum computer, so it seems they have overcome the paradoxes and loopholes.
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no.

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Sorry wafflehead but you are wrong. They have a quantum computer.

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no. read their papers. i linked you their own webpage with an overview of their pdf's.

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