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tandym

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02/15/2013 03:21 PM

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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
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20 years in IT, OP. I feel your pain.
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02/15/2013 03:22 PM
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i'm french i was hirad by a french company and i had to move to shanghai to do the job there. 1200 euro per month and like 250 go to the french state, and the worst is that finding an housing in shanghai is hard and it's pretty expensive. but in france this job really sux.
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02/15/2013 03:22 PM
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Happened to me too,
every 6-10 Years i need to change my Job,
most funny Time was as a Farmer in Portugal and as a Diving Instructor in Thailand

aahhhh quake
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02/15/2013 03:23 PM
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if you are broke- I beg you - switch to asp.net/c# and move to the east coast....

seriously -

My recruiter is looking for some asp.net/C# people - $60 hourly - minimum
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02/15/2013 03:24 PM
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I took a programming class in high school years ago and absolutely fucking hated it. I couldn't imagine spending a week programming much less a career. Bored me stiff!
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02/15/2013 03:25 PM
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Another option is to outsource your work to India for 1/3 the price and spend your days golfing.

Just make sure to check your code thoroughly upon delivery to make sure that it does not have something malicious.

There was a dude busted for this recently because the Chinaman put a backdoor in the software and it hacked the company network and fed data back to the Chinks.

Just be careful and you can get away with this. I have used them before when I get in a pinch. I research and interview.
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02/15/2013 03:25 PM
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What the fuck? If you've been programming for so long, odds are you are quite competent. You bitch and moan, and the thought NEVER crossed your mind to program an application for yourself that you yourself sell?

START YOUR OWN BUSINESS FOR FUCK SAKE!! Quit having the slave mentality and work for yourself. I'll bet there are thousands of programs/applications you can make right now that will sell like hotcakes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1556732


You're still a slave. Do you really think being 1099 or W2 or "self-employed" really matters all that much? I've done all of the above. Sure, being 1099 means you have slightly more leeway in your work, but you still have to go to the office every day.

Starting your own business to get away from slavery is a joke when in reality you end up in the same exact position. The whole point to this thread is NO ONE NEEDS any of this malarkey. So, sure, I'd "own" my own business, which in return would own me and all my time. I'd be in the exact same spot.

It's one thing to work for oneself when the product one is creating is consumable by oneself, and the extra can be sold. It's another when the only thing you create has an actual intrinisic value of $0.00. Then, you're once again back to producing shit you hate for people you wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And you will only be paid so long as you keep producing MOAR.

Anyway, all the world needs is another fucking iPhone App to text friends with... LOL.
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if you are broke- I beg you - switch to asp.net/c# and move to the east coast....

seriously -

My recruiter is looking for some asp.net/C# people - $60 hourly - minimum
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Not enough.
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02/15/2013 03:26 PM
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if you are broke- I beg you - switch to asp.net/c# and move to the east coast....

seriously -

My recruiter is looking for some asp.net/C# people - $60 hourly - minimum
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Telling this to a Linux C++ programmer makes me want to puke. C# is absolute hell to develop in. asp.net is a horrible joke meant to induce suicide in humanity. Seriously, if I hate Linux programming, becoming a microsoft weenie would be even worse.
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02/15/2013 03:27 PM
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No quake, just a Tremor!

Puh,
yeah- a change is like Spring!
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02/15/2013 03:27 PM
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if you are broke- I beg you - switch to asp.net/c# and move to the east coast....

seriously -

My recruiter is looking for some asp.net/C# people - $60 hourly - minimum
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Not enough.
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that's minimum...but hey well excussssssssssssse me - lol
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My biggest problem is I have a hard time coming up with ideas for an application.

Anyone got one for me?
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074


Shit. I'd buy you a beer for this. It's pretty funny and very true...
Been down that road my self.
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I got a tell this.

One day in vb class just before the start of class I realize I have to piss. Now the bathroom was right across the hall from the classroom door so I figure I got time to run in and out.

I do a quick run in and out but now the door was closed so I go to the door knob and turn it but its locked. I pound on the door repeatadly till this cock bite comes to the door and looks at me through the glass and says, yes. I give him a look and say, let me in. He actually tries to fuck with me at the locked door and I get that intense look and tell him LET EM IN.

He opens the door and announces the door will be locked at the start of class from now on. This guy was a pig and thats how bosses are in the coding world.
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producing shit you hate for people you wouldn't piss on to put out a fire.
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Thanks for summarizing. I feel your pain.
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02/15/2013 03:28 PM
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What the fuck? If you've been programming for so long, odds are you are quite competent. You bitch and moan, and the thought NEVER crossed your mind to program an application for yourself that you yourself sell?

START YOUR OWN BUSINESS FOR FUCK SAKE!! Quit having the slave mentality and work for yourself. I'll bet there are thousands of programs/applications you can make right now that will sell like hotcakes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1556732


You're still a slave. Do you really think being 1099 or W2 or "self-employed" really matters all that much? I've done all of the above. Sure, being 1099 means you have slightly more leeway in your work, but you still have to go to the office every day.

Starting your own business to get away from slavery is a joke when in reality you end up in the same exact position. The whole point to this thread is NO ONE NEEDS any of this malarkey. So, sure, I'd "own" my own business, which in return would own me and all my time. I'd be in the exact same spot.

It's one thing to work for oneself when the product one is creating is consumable by oneself, and the extra can be sold. It's another when the only thing you create has an actual intrinisic value of $0.00. Then, you're once again back to producing shit you hate for people you wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And you will only be paid so long as you keep producing MOAR.

Anyway, all the world needs is another fucking iPhone App to text friends with... LOL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074

So...

what is your solution....just curl up and die under a rock??
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02/15/2013 03:28 PM
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I'm glad I never learned it... I did take a 3D game programming course but quickly realized I could never do it.

It seemed too complicated, too quickly evolving...

Then, I saw news that they could transform a 3D picture of some object and program it in a game... Technology is moving that fast.

I'm beginning to think the Luddites were right.

There's just the overwhelming demand for faster and faster things, for better technology but where is all that progress getting us?

They said technology would make life easier but I've come to the realization that it's just not true.
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Maybe it's time we all start throwing our wooden shoes into the looms. LOL.
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02/15/2013 03:29 PM
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fuck ALL carreers
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02/15/2013 03:29 PM
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My biggest problem is I have a hard time coming up with ideas for an application.

Anyone got one for me?
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I wonder how much people will pay for an iPhone app that is very specific to their area?

$3.99?
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02/15/2013 03:29 PM
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I got a tell this.

One day in vb class just before the start of class I realize I have to piss. Now the bathroom was right across the hall from the classroom door so I figure I got time to run in and out.

I do a quick run in and out but now the door was closed so I go to the door knob and turn it but its locked. I pound on the door repeatadly till this cock bite comes to the door and looks at me through the glass and says, yes. I give him a look and say, let me in. He actually tries to fuck with me at the locked door and I get that intense look and tell him LET EM IN.

He opens the door and announces the door will be locked at the start of class from now on. This guy was a pig and thats how bosses are in the coding world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036


I saw a instructor do that once. The person locked out when and got the administration. They aren't allowed to do that. You pay money to be there.
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02/15/2013 03:30 PM
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if you're paid 60$ an hour and they ask you to code in 2 days what normally take 2 weeks, i don't want that sh1tty job, and asp.net is kinda a joke as a language/framework
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02/15/2013 03:32 PM
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You got it...

I once was a programmer too and hated it. It's like prostituting you brain power for irrelevant shit. Worst were the debugging sessions: Looking for countless hours for a tiny error in Python code. At the end of such a day I always had the feeling of total exhaustion without really having done anything worthwhile.

And as a programmer, you never get valued for what you make the code do. But it's guaranteed some computer-dense boss bitches about what the code yet cannot do.
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You sir, are 100% spot on. As a former programmer myself, I know what you're talking about.
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02/15/2013 03:32 PM
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What the fuck? If you've been programming for so long, odds are you are quite competent. You bitch and moan, and the thought NEVER crossed your mind to program an application for yourself that you yourself sell?

START YOUR OWN BUSINESS FOR FUCK SAKE!! Quit having the slave mentality and work for yourself. I'll bet there are thousands of programs/applications you can make right now that will sell like hotcakes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1556732


You're still a slave. Do you really think being 1099 or W2 or "self-employed" really matters all that much? I've done all of the above. Sure, being 1099 means you have slightly more leeway in your work, but you still have to go to the office every day.

Starting your own business to get away from slavery is a joke when in reality you end up in the same exact position. The whole point to this thread is NO ONE NEEDS any of this malarkey. So, sure, I'd "own" my own business, which in return would own me and all my time. I'd be in the exact same spot.

It's one thing to work for oneself when the product one is creating is consumable by oneself, and the extra can be sold. It's another when the only thing you create has an actual intrinisic value of $0.00. Then, you're once again back to producing shit you hate for people you wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And you will only be paid so long as you keep producing MOAR.

Anyway, all the world needs is another fucking iPhone App to text friends with... LOL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074

So...

what is your solution....just curl up and die under a rock??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141


Getting our of computer programming completely, I think.

I'm not opposed to self-employment, but it has to be legitimate self-employment and not just a "1099 vs W2 but you're still spending every day whoring your brain for the man" thing.
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02/15/2013 03:34 PM
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computers really didnt need go much further then 2008

from a gamer standpoint.. all the games these days are bottlenecked by what the 8 year old consoles are capable of..so yea... no real pc games come out anymore
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I'm 25 and working in an IT role, I can tell you that I'll be damned if I do this for the rest of my life.
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02/15/2013 03:36 PM
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What the fuck? If you've been programming for so long, odds are you are quite competent. You bitch and moan, and the thought NEVER crossed your mind to program an application for yourself that you yourself sell?

START YOUR OWN BUSINESS FOR FUCK SAKE!! Quit having the slave mentality and work for yourself. I'll bet there are thousands of programs/applications you can make right now that will sell like hotcakes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1556732


You're still a slave. Do you really think being 1099 or W2 or "self-employed" really matters all that much? I've done all of the above. Sure, being 1099 means you have slightly more leeway in your work, but you still have to go to the office every day.

Starting your own business to get away from slavery is a joke when in reality you end up in the same exact position. The whole point to this thread is NO ONE NEEDS any of this malarkey. So, sure, I'd "own" my own business, which in return would own me and all my time. I'd be in the exact same spot.

It's one thing to work for oneself when the product one is creating is consumable by oneself, and the extra can be sold. It's another when the only thing you create has an actual intrinisic value of $0.00. Then, you're once again back to producing shit you hate for people you wouldn't piss on to put out a fire. And you will only be paid so long as you keep producing MOAR.

Anyway, all the world needs is another fucking iPhone App to text friends with... LOL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074


I see your point and for the most part agree with what you said. However, I don't have to be wrong for you to be right.

Who said you needed to go to an office every day? I have VS opened up right now on my computer while I sit here in my sweats.

Technically I'm still a slave, yes. And so is everyone else. The difference is that I deal with a completely different kind of bullshit. One that is not only tolerable, but also liberating to say the least.

It's the kind of freedom you couldn't possibly know until you've done it yourself. I don't think I could ever get a job again. I could never work for someone else. Not after experiencing the freedom I have now, even though I am still a slave.

I've done nothing special, either. I took an idea that I knew a particular industry needed, and I made a piece of software. Then I sent out mailers to all the businesses I could find - purchased at my website. Think of it as being a programmer, but you're also the CEO like the boss you hate so much.
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if you are broke- I beg you - switch to asp.net/c# and move to the east coast....

seriously -

My recruiter is looking for some asp.net/C# people - $60 hourly - minimum
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Telling this to a Linux C++ programmer makes me want to puke. C# is absolute hell to develop in. asp.net is a horrible joke meant to induce suicide in humanity. Seriously, if I hate Linux programming, becoming a microsoft weenie would be even worse.
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im telling that to the folks who claim they are "broke"....
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02/15/2013 03:37 PM
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and unfortunately microsoft is what most enterprises use... regardless...

i would rather work for an enterprise than a development company..
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I went to college for programming, but i do laptop and pc repair now.

I tried to get a job programming but had no luck.

I only program for fun now.

My robots kick ass. I have a tank that you can control with your smarphone using bluetooth. It has a fully auto airsoft gun on it with a laser pointer to help aim. We then put some super bright leds in the chamber and bought glow in the dark pellets for some awesome chasers.
It has 2 IR sensors for tracking heat signatures, so it will follow you around. It has compass for navigation so when driving with your phone you can tell it to go north(or any direction) and if it runs into obsticles it will navigate around them until it can go North again. It can follow walls to solve mazes.
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I like your attitude OP. I'm not even in a computer programming / I.T. related field but the thought of doing your line of work just feels suffocating to me. Sounds like you described the situation well in your post. I'm also at a stage in my life where I can't bear to devote anymore conscious energy & time to mindless causes.

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