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you mean you used internet explorer html rendering engine.
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Don't forget he also wrote a program to execute "cat /etc/resolv.conf" but on windows using VB6 and called it "DNS server" which literally means "Domain Name Server server". This guy might be the next Donald Knuth. LOL.
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Come on guy, I'm just braggin bout my skill I refused to sell to the system pimps. I enjoyed making these things even though in todays standards, they are nothing unless wrapped in a shocking spectacle of graphics and animation.
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I'm sorry man. My hostility was way overboard for just some harmless showboating.

hf
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Lol, I know, its all the same no matter how its expressed. We all are being used by system pimps stealing our minds imagination to build things to fill our owners pockets as we burn down.

You did it for a career and I, to have fun. May you code that line to bring fame and fortune friend.
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It's almost like an entire generation has been tricked into wasting their youthful energy on a completely dead end "skill" that is of absolutely no use to anything but the system itself. Funny, that.
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It's called "progress"... ;-)

Progress is the same thing that gives us all shitty sounding mp3 music without any dynamics. But hey, it's "portable", and you can conveniently download your shitty sounding, ear-destroying music from the web.

Fuck portable. I'm back to listening to vinyl LPs: MUSIC. Dynamics.

So much for "progress".
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What is the best development environment and language for the future? Sure I know technology changes fast but what is best guess for development environment and language that will be in demand ?
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.
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I had the same thoughts today at work while programming.

Synchronicity?
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What is the best development environment and language for the future? Sure I know technology changes fast but what is best guess for development environment and language that will be in demand ?
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Python c++ machine language will always be god
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02/15/2013 04:27 PM
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Job requirements

extensive asp.net
c# and vb
mvc - MUST HAVE
html
css
java
javascript
jquery
php
ruby on rails
write advanced stored procedures and triggers in sql
MUST HAVE AGILE/SCRUM EXPERIENCE
cold fusion, MUST BE EXPERT




Fuck it, i agree..
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Sad thing is this is all you see for jobs.

They want people half capable in all but excelling in none.
Be the change you want the World to be. Be someone that makes you happy.
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Programming is just the brick laying for a modern era. Someone else designs the house. The programmer just lays the bricks, they might do it artistically but they get little regard and can be easily be replaced by another brick layer, following the plans.

It's modern manual labour. Dull, repetitive, without imagination or invention. Colour by numbers. We always say that the one department we can replace the easiest is the programming team. The customer\technical cross over type roles are a lot more difficult.
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02/15/2013 04:29 PM
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I'm only posting to see if my A/C # matches the OP's (we'd be going through the same proxy). If so, I'll assume he's a coworker.

lol

By the way: :cheers: OP, coworker or not.
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Engineer here.

Love my job.

Couldn't spend all day in front of a computer or in an office.
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:blackcat: My father bought a freezer in 1945, it was still going strong when he died in 2002.
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All to do with the gases they put into domestic stuff.

If you ever want to see how much the race to the bottom of manufacturing has opened the door to dangerous Chinese crap than look at the gas appliances coming out of the far east.
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That is how I feel about almost every job. You work your ass off 42 hours a week to just have enough to be able to pay all your needs while the bosses fill their pockets with so much money that they can never ever spend it in a lifetime. The workoutput isn't 1:1, more like 8:1. 85% of your work is just for the profit of some executive or manager and only 15% is what you really deserve.
I am a musician and I teach as a job. It is amazing how different the workload is compared to normal jobs. I only have to work about 2 hours to make what I normally would make in 6-8 hours and that is purely cause I am the boss and there is nobody in between. I used to work 8 hours a day for 5 days a week to make what I make now and I only work 3 short days now. Honestly I used to work much harder when I had that other job and it is purely so that some bastard higher up can afford all kinds of stuff he doesn't need.
I can't imagine doing that your whole life. Working day in day out with 8 hour workdays doing back breaking work for a shit amount of money while other people with half the time and half the work make like 3-5 times as much.
I'm da party poopa
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the beast must have its time. However, that time is thankfully short (in cosmic terms). So is your life, a spark in infinity. Learn your lessons well so that you don't have to repeat them...
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02/15/2013 04:32 PM
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Same here - FUCK IT - I hate the company, I hate the boss, I hate the customers. FUCK THEM ALL !

clappa
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02/15/2013 04:32 PM
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Check the want adds before you make any rash decisions.

I assume this is for windows programs, I hate to suggest you hobby up with some Linux sites where your knowledge can help others who aren't capable of doing what you can do blindfolded. (sorry if that sounds like telling a postman to take up jogging in his spare time)
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Alright guys, I know I was doing some big mouth braggin but hey, I am proud of what I did and want the world to know it and expected a throw down or two :).

I do have admiration for you guys and gals who stepped into the system arena to code for pimps that only had profit as the goal while they used you up.

Why not do coding on platforms like freelance or freecoder so instead of breaking your mind for someone elses profit line, you do it for your on.

Why not do little apps for windowz and hawk em on your own website. It seems like database programs are the rave for pc users.

Make a free version and a payed version.
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02/15/2013 04:35 PM
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Where I work, they are outsourcing and/or laying off the SW engineers

To expensive, they say
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02/15/2013 04:35 PM
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OP I feel the same way. Been developing and programming for over 10 years myself. Personally I hate contracting - dont like the necessary management, clients cant make up their mind, and at that scale they always want to take shortcuts and screw you. Then on the other end of the spectrum - work for a big company and let a PM handle the administration and they gouge the clients. I tell them it will take 40 hours and they then tell the client it will take 80 and then add their hours onto it. Huge amounts of waste and corruption really.

IT industry and business in general is way inefficient if you ask me.
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You might feel better if you can write code that screws up evil bastards, then you become a masked avenger for the little guys.
Using your super powers for good not evil.
Think of yourself as the Masked Avenger, taking down the systemic evil,one line of code at a time.
Ca DMV for example,need their stuff erased.
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Oh, yeah. Cause "Anonymous" is real

Yeah...so this guy can go to jail. Yeah, right.
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You work your ass off 42 hours a week to just have enough to be able to pay all your needs while the bosses fill their pockets with so much money that they can never ever spend it in a lifetime.
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Look up how the company towns worked in the UK and the US, they were both sweatshops by the true definition so even a career change will never change that. Companies love to keep the 'employees' at pay-check to pay-check, the modern term for a 'true slave' in every sense of the word.
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I like the computer jobs asking for 5-10-20 years of experience for something that hasn't been out for 5-10-20 years.. haha
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lol
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
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Its not just your field.... The medical field is the same this includes nursing and the ancillary fields. Just think about that next time you have surgery are or are admitted to the hospital. Scary...
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Programming is just the brick laying for a modern era. Someone else designs the house. The programmer just lays the bricks, they might do it artistically but they get little regard and can be easily be replaced by another brick layer, following the plans.

It's modern manual labour. Dull, repetitive, without imagination or invention. Colour by numbers. We always say that the one department we can replace the easiest is the programming team. The customer\technical cross over type roles are a lot more difficult.
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Dont know about that. Crappy programmers might be easy to find. I see inflated resumes all over the place. Most applicants cant think for themselves. In this country management gets cut first.
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Too bad you can't be like a...a secret assassin/secret agent, and get all the pussy and gold. Yeah!
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I like the computer jobs asking for 5-10-20 years of experience for something that hasn't been out for 5-10-20 years.. haha
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Yet in other industries they prefer green hands so they can pay them less and somebody with 20 years is in danger of being layed-off just to save money for the company. (not in 100% of the jobs but I have seen that happen in the heavy construction industry where ads are looking for hands with less than 3 yrs experience)

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What is the best development environment and language for the future? Sure I know technology changes fast but what is best guess for development environment and language that will be in demand ?
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Can't tell you but after TSHTF the best development environment will be a shed, tools & lots manual skills. Any language that has the words "beer" and "make me a sammich" in it will do then. :)
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OP

contract yourself out

you can set you own jobs ; turn down jobs you don't like

and set your own pay rate....

If you have this much experience

I would be researching what you need to do to work for yourself doing contract jobs

you would be surprised I bet at how much work there is out there for independent contractors in that field

If you know a particular code really well....

write a book on it

Like '***** for dummies....
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The contractors who learn niche programming shit, like SAP, or SAS, make out like bandits.

Easy $5Gs/week.
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074


Its not just your field.... The medical field is the same this includes nursing and the ancillary fields. Just think about that next time you have surgery are or are admitted to the hospital. Scary...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33960259


I'm in between jobs due to 2 vitrectomies in a row roughly 3 weeks ago (eye surgery). The way the nurses were running around made my heart rate go up just watching them. My eye doctor works 60 hour weeks. I often question how he doesn't simply have a heart attack keeping up with the pace. And the nurses in the hospitals seem so beaten down and quite literally consumed and drained of all energy.
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Cash out and live off the Land
if you have the balls
be a real man.
Raise Bison. F IT.
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OP, I said it on page one, and this poster said it as well, but you insist on going in circles. Complaining about it will get you nowhere. Take it from someone who has done it...you have to make a complete change. It won't be the easiest thing in the world to do, but I guarantee you won't regret it. Have you considered teaching? Contract out as a trainer to a software company...that way you're not coding all day long and you are still using your existing skills. Eventually you can take a bigger step and try teaching something completely different (i.e., non-computer related).

BTW...I took the big plunge and, after 20 years coding, cashed out my 401K and built a farm. I have never looked back. I know of others who have done the same.

You can do it only if you set your mind to it.
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What is the best development environment and language for the future? Sure I know technology changes fast but what is best guess for development environment and language that will be in demand ?
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Can't tell you but after TSHTF the best development environment will be a shed, tools & lots manual skills. Any language that has the words "beer" and "make me a sammich" in it will do then. :)
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lol, just the answer I was going to give.
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I've programmed for 20 years and it has taken it's toll on me.
Almost every day I go home without the sense of accomplishment...that is what bugs me the most.
Yes it is very repetative ...almost deja vu like.
The talent pool is flooded.
But it pays the bills and keeps my brain working.

Some days I wonder if I should have started my own business and build decks or fences.
That way I could look back after a hard days work and touch something and feel good about myself.

Programming can be boring and the industry will chew you up and spit you out.

I wouldnt mind the job if I was paid double and that aint gonna happen.
I feel stuck.
some drink from the fountain of knowledge...others just gargle