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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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Thank you for that. You expressed my exact fears. Everyone can say "I started a business and it worked" but for ever one successful startup there's dozens of honest attempts that just don't work out.
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There are some GREAT ideas that fail, yes. But I'm willing to guarantee that in at least 95% of those businesses that failed, there were some stupid decisions made.

You need to do more than just decide to start the business. You need to plan it properly. You need to know what to expect. You also need something to keep you going while you're building your business.

Quitting your job and therefore throwing away your income, and then deciding your business will replace that income off the bat is a common mistake that people make for some reason. Obviously you wan't to do some test-running before going full on into it. Never throw away your income without lining up your next income. I can not for the life of me see why people do this (even I did this, long ago, and failed). I only ended up succeeding once I realized that I cant just put all of my eggs into an unknown basket.

Profits are a GOAL, not a LAW. The failures that you are describing have a lot more to do with gambling, and a lot less to do with actual business being done (which is why they fail).

If you can program, have an internet connection, and you're making no money / collecting food stamps, you're a fool. Get off your ass and do some freelance work. Go over to vworker and rentacoder and get yourself some projects, asap.
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i'm not a fool. I was burnt out and became sick with an auto-immune disease that caused chronic exhaustion and brain fog so that I lost the capability to mentally organize sufficiently to deliver a product anymore. I learned only recently what my health problem is and my focus is on restoring health. Without adequate health you can't make any forward progress at all. People who have never had auto-immune/chronic fatigue cannot understand this. anyway, for me, regaining health is the key to repairing my career.
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Fair enough -- I absolutely sympathize with that! But I'm sure you'll agree that for the majority of new businesses, they most often fall through the cracks for that reason...
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yes, I agree. I don't have television, but watch Kitchen Nightmares on youtube. That show is a great study of why many businesses fail. Most episodes, it usually boils down to the owners running their restaurant business either without investing sufficient energy,integrity or intelligence- often all 3 points are missing.
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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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Great concept, be the middleman yourself. But aren't there a lot of interface and security issues?
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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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lol. pretty much. and they always seem surprised when the producitivity drops like that.
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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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lol. pretty much. and they always seem surprised when the producitivity drops like that.
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lolsign
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You might not believe this, but I don't even own a smartphone. As a programmer, I absolutely loathe touchscreens. Give me a full keyboard to interface with a computer or its just too damn slow and inefficient for me to bother with. I live with a simple dial and call phone and I often times turn it off.
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You might not believe this, but I don't even own a smartphone. As a programmer, I absolutely loathe touchscreens. Give me a full keyboard to interface with a computer or its just too damn slow and inefficient for me to bother with. I live with a simple dial and call phone and I often times turn it off.
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And I'm not the only one. I have found the age of the programmer is inversely proportional to the likelihood of them having a smartphone.

I think it's to do with by the fact you've programmed a computer for 10 years or more, simply using a computer becomes somewhat grating. I make an exception for GLP but that's about it actually. Other than GLP and the occasional web browsing, I never use a computer unless I'm programming. It just seems like work.
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They claim they want it faster and cheaper, they just want it bloated and slower so hardware sales will go up.

Imagine the speed we could have today if we optimized to the 80 and 90s standards when hardware was uber weak.
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Had a Pentium with 4 GB hard drive and 256 MB RAM running then latest and extremely pathetic Win-doze 98.

Fast forward 15 years and by same standards even 4 GB seems inadequate for decent performance from a teeny tiny android "stick" device.

Bloatware is simply painful to deal with and always seems to be hogging system resources for nothing but advertising revenue.

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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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lol
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This is why I decided to do programming as an art and make videogames, some problems will never be solved via coding because the design coming from management is just bad.

So unless I get to design how it works, so that it works properly, I cannot work as a codemonkey for other people.

I'm happy to work on my own projects or projects I think are important (open source), but I've had it with coding other people's projects, especially when they have no utility.

I also think computing has gotten to a point where it needs some major redesigning from scratch. There's too much legacy crap that makes computing unsecure, badly optimised and just annoying.
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Seems programs like Excel have been "upgraded" to make the easier for the stupid people to try them. And more "visual" for the stupid people to get interested. Now the regulars are pissed at how dumbed-down it is.
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They claim they want it faster and cheaper, they just want it bloated and slower so hardware sales will go up.

Imagine the speed we could have today if we optimized to the 80 and 90s standards when hardware was uber weak.
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Dead on, dead on. MS needs to open up it's operating structure. Also most of the software is just that bloatware. I reinstalled my Windows 7 64bit on my harddrive because MS updates messed up my BIOS (around the same time Windows 8 was being pushed). So I did what a person helping me from dell told me personally that you don't need MS updates for the operating system, it will work fine. I haven't had trouble for at least 7 months and he told me that it's real easy for MS to put stuff in the update to mess up your system and make you get the next version of the software.

Turn MS updates off. Also I'm surprised that you are still working as an American (assuming) programmer with so much of that business being offshored.
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You might not believe this, but I don't even own a smartphone. As a programmer, I absolutely loathe touchscreens. Give me a full keyboard to interface with a computer or its just too damn slow and inefficient for me to bother with. I live with a simple dial and call phone and I often times turn it off.
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And I'm not the only one. I have found the age of the programmer is inversely proportional to the likelihood of them having a smartphone.

I think it's to do with by the fact you've programmed a computer for 10 years or more, simply using a computer becomes somewhat grating. I make an exception for GLP but that's about it actually. Other than GLP and the occasional web browsing, I never use a computer unless I'm programming. It just seems like work.
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I don't have a cell phone at all. Never tweeted in my life. Never texted someone. No facebook. Don't get cable TV. prefer Vinyl for music. My wife has an Obama phone though. He gave us a phone - He gonna do more. Exactly what, worries me though.
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I hate programming.

It's so boring...
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"Fuck computer programming as a career"


yeah, what a dead end "life" that shit is huh.


I say let all them geniuses that think they need it do it.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21424455


You might not believe this, but I don't even own a smartphone. As a programmer, I absolutely loathe touchscreens. Give me a full keyboard to interface with a computer or its just too damn slow and inefficient for me to bother with. I live with a simple dial and call phone and I often times turn it off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30981074


And I'm not the only one. I have found the age of the programmer is inversely proportional to the likelihood of them having a smartphone.

I think it's to do with by the fact you've programmed a computer for 10 years or more, simply using a computer becomes somewhat grating. I make an exception for GLP but that's about it actually. Other than GLP and the occasional web browsing, I never use a computer unless I'm programming. It just seems like work.
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I don't have a cell phone at all. Never tweeted in my life. Never texted someone. No facebook. Don't get cable TV. prefer Vinyl for music. My wife has an Obama phone though. He gave us a phone - He gonna do more. Exactly what, worries me though.
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Ah man, vinyl, the greatest medium devised by man to record and transmit music. The Obamaphone, some sort of unholy abomination before God.

Peace my brothers.
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You might not believe this, but I don't even own a smartphone. As a programmer, I absolutely loathe touchscreens. Give me a full keyboard to interface with a computer or its just too damn slow and inefficient for me to bother with. I live with a simple dial and call phone and I often times turn it off.
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Was that way for a while after my big ticket price buy of the Handspring Treo 180 when it first hit the market (650 bucks was a lot of money in 2001-02 for a phone). Loved the phone and ended up gifting it to a close friend who was drooling over it and had helped me at various stages in life when the pickings were slim.
Did not have a cell phone for quite a long time and just this past September, splurged on a Samsung Galaxy Note II since I wanted to taste the quad core experience in a mobile device. When it is in the dock hooked up to my projector via HDMI along with a full wireless keyboard+mouse it is fun.

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Question:

When working in corporate as a coder, do they compartmentalize the project so no one actually knows what they are coding for, or is it all right up front with this is what we want and how its to work, now get on it, we have to have a fully functional widgit to show the client by weeks end.
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Often it's like the first. Modern sofware design methodologies are designed to allow management to treat the coders like robots and to measure their performance in detail. Naturally every programmer is treated like an Indian contract programmer now. They don't care who writes their code.

It's good to get a job where you can't be outsourced. But you have to be sneaky to get them.
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No its not that bad in terms of secrecy, unless maybe in the defense industry. Even then, any project where the programmer doesnt know exactly what they are actually building sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. I suppose its possible for some guy in a dark room to be coding from UML or something and not know its a guidance system for a missile or something.

Some IT departments/companies are treated like factories in that negative sense though.
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I hate programming.

It's so boring...
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Depends. If you find in yourself in the right situation its great. For a while. Then it becomes boring as shit if you continue on working for the same corporation numbnutzes.
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They claim they want it faster and cheaper, they just want it bloated and slower so hardware sales will go up.

Imagine the speed we could have today if we optimized to the 80 and 90s standards when hardware was uber weak.
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Dead on, dead on. MS needs to open up it's operating structure. Also most of the software is just that bloatware. I reinstalled my Windows 7 64bit on my harddrive because MS updates messed up my BIOS (around the same time Windows 8 was being pushed). So I did what a person helping me from dell told me personally that you don't need MS updates for the operating system, it will work fine. I haven't had trouble for at least 7 months and he told me that it's real easy for MS to put stuff in the update to mess up your system and make you get the next version of the software.

Turn MS updates off. Also I'm surprised that you are still working as an American (assuming) programmer with so much of that business being offshored.
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They deliberately do that. Have seen it happening for quite a while now.
Even as a fairly competent programmer, I somehow got suckered in at a weak moment to accidentally click the upgrade button and crash my fine tuned and perfectly running desktop using XP.
The manufacturers are also in cahoots with expensive parts dying as soon as warranty is over.
The documentary "Pyramids of Waste (2010), AKA The Lightbulb Conspiracy - Planned Obsolescence? comes to mind
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WRONG kind of ppl in "management" - not technical, not even educated. most fake their education and credentials. they're just clusterfucks in private industry. It's not the programming thats bad, its the "management"
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Sometimes you get lucky for getting these goons - they might pay you 120 bucks/hr for not doing much. you hang around for 6 months and do someother 'outside' stuff & you can make some serious money
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A lot of managers didn't get to where they are because of skill or experience.
I cannot even tell you how many I have met the have NO EFFING CLUE WTF they were doing.

They got there purely because of who they knew....or blew. (literally in a few cases)
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Korrect,
You get some clueless goons coming in with some fea$ibility study and then proceed to throw out good legacy system and replace them with some supar dupar ERP system which caused $50 million bucks.

Then the company goes under........ LOL
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Im a programmer for 15 years, everybody wanted cheaper software so i hired 10 paki's to do all the work. They do a great job and are good people. When my boss asks what got done this week, i tell him 40 hours worth or work.
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Great concept, be the middleman yourself. But aren't there a lot of interface and security issues?
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Did a short stint in man power staffing as a second job and quit because of disgust.
The staffing companies and authorized "vendor" middlemen are worse than bottom feeders - making their bucks milking the hard work of others - unfortunately the system is such and there is no escaping it at times when dealing with corporates.
Last year alone had to give 50K to one of them just to earn a paycheck.
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I'll bite. Twas in my senior year of mechanical engineering school, confident of my career choice. One day my most "esteemed" professor gleefully shared with us his life's work. He passed around a handful of o-rings from a heat exchanger (he designed the molds, which probably had to be unfangled by a machinist down the line). Nothing fancy, just plain ol poly rings with a few proprietary flanges molded in. All to show for this revered PhD was a rubber circle and a frighteningly inflated ego.

Dropped out a short time later, only several credits from my degree. Started a CNC machining biz and never looked back. Sure, I'm still a slave...but fucking o-rings man?

It's all a sham.
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I work for a major company and the biggest annoyance I've been dealing with lately is all the red tape and restrictions they put up.

If you transfer too much data from a server to your laptop then they kill the transfer. - I just got a new laptop and trying to get my software from the share..

Then I go to install it and get denied saying i'm not allowed to run that EXE - so I have to submit a ticket for each app I'm trying to install.

It's BS like that that makes me hate the job more than anything. The job is rough enough but when you're trying to do it with one hand tied behind your back while being zapped with a cattle prod, it really really really sucks.

It's like you know if you want me to get paid to sit here and do nothing I'm totally fine with that.
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I work for a major company and the biggest annoyance I've been dealing with lately is all the red tape and restrictions they put up.

If you transfer too much data from a server to your laptop then they kill the transfer. - I just got a new laptop and trying to get my software from the share..

Then I go to install it and get denied saying i'm not allowed to run that EXE - so I have to submit a ticket for each app I'm trying to install.

It's BS like that that makes me hate the job more than anything. The job is rough enough but when you're trying to do it with one hand tied behind your back while being zapped with a cattle prod, it really really really sucks.

It's like you know if you want me to get paid to sit here and do nothing I'm totally fine with that.
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Oh yeah, so, I finally said eff it.. I booted into safe mode, disabled their security software, booted back up regularly, installed all my apps and everything running smoothly. Wonder how long til I'm fired..
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I'm sick and tired of it. I've been programming now for well over a decade and I simply can not write another god damned line of code. It's the same shit over and over again. Make it faster, make it cheaper, make it faster, make it cheaper is all you fucking hear at work and all you see in job postings.

Why in the fuck does any of it matter? Let's run on a treadmill our entire lives so people can have a fucking faster smartphone. Fuck them.

Let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars so algorithms can trade a few microseconds faster. Fuck it.

Let's waste countless man years so the corners of windows are curved and semi-transparent because that shit really matters. Fuck it all.

Let's rewrite the same website infrastrucure in a the latest fad language every couple of years so we all can pretend to be busy bees. Fuck that.

Is there any way out of this treadmill of a life? I highly doubt it. Mankind won't stop in this path to exponential insanity until we are left with nothing but a smouldering pile of ruins we once called civilization.

People can barely keep up with their workload at the office and all the chores at home yet every day you get to work and it's MOAR MOAR MOAR.

And you know what? It's the 0.1% at the top that are *demanding* that every single thing below them cut costs, increase efficiency all so they can see a little MOAR money that they did the month before. Can they even spend the money they make? No, but they still need MOAR and it will come out of your SOUL!
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quit being a pussy and go work in the oilfield like a man then