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Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?

 
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Free will. Energy can't die. We are energetic beings. Refuse your source then you go to where energy that refuses the sources goes. It's really that simple. Science. Learn some.
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OP there's so much stupid jumbled up in your one little paragraph that its hard to figure out where to start.
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when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. Jeremiah 7
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OP there's so much stupid jumbled up in your one little paragraph that its hard to figure out where to start.
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How so, can't even explain?
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OP there's so much stupid jumbled up in your one little paragraph that its hard to figure out where to start.
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Then start with the first thing that is stupid? Are you really to stupid toto dispute me one sentence at a time if thats what you have to do?
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Sounds like a Zionistic-Khazarian-Jew kinda movie "treatment", gnomesayin'?
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Back with a brand new IP address, I see.
"And I know that when I leave savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard. We are not the wolves at the gate, we are the ones who face them."

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22

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I don't have time to explain it to you, I have a job to go to, but suffice it to say that you do not understand Christian Theology. Most Christians do not understand Christian Theology.

I'll give you the shortest version I can in the time allotted:

We were higher, where God is, and he begged us not to descend, because he could not follow, lest he become corrupt by a lesser station.

We left anyway, or were decieved to go, because we have free will and we were seduced by another with free will.

God cannot follow us here to personally take us home because it would be against our free will.

God provided a means for us to return because of his love for us, and through our own free will we can choose to accept it.

Or not, it is up to you.

Hell was not created, Hell is manifested as a natural opposite to heaven. The universe at our level is duality, and it is what we are forced to deal with now by simple mechanical law. It is because it is.

Now, I'm sure you've heard something like this before, and rejected it for whatever reason. That is you excercising your free will to not be saved, and I'm not interested in arguing against your free will choice. I Have made mine, and I'm happy about it. You go be happy about yours, unless you're not. If not, change it.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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OP there's so much stupid jumbled up in your one little paragraph that its hard to figure out where to start.
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Then start with the first thing that is stupid? Are you really to stupid toto dispute me one sentence at a time if thats what you have to do?
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Oh dammit, lets start off with one of the very first ones.

"God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell".

You do realize that many denominations don't believe in a literal hell right???
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Free will. Energy can't die. We are energetic beings. Refuse your source then you go to where energy that refuses the sources goes. It's really that simple. Science. Learn some.
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This^^^^^ pretty simple to understand....
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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There are mostly non-Christian assumptions in your opening post. Perhaps that's why Christians aren't responding the way you had hoped they would?

And why is it that you hoped they would? The way I read your remarks, you are not open to discussion.
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Not one of us are good. We all sin. I look at it like boot camp. An ultimate test. Some make it some don't. Where did you get 35%. I think it's more like 10%. And it's not a religion either it's a way of life. And it's not an easy life either but faith of eternity in Heaven is worth it.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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There are mostly non-Christian assumptions in your opening post. Perhaps that's why Christians aren't responding the way you had hoped they would?

And why is it that you hoped they would? The way I read your remarks, you are not open to discussion.
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But but but thats what his public schools and MSM taughtz him!
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OP there's so much stupid jumbled up in your one little paragraph that its hard to figure out where to start.
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Then start with the first thing that is stupid? Are you really to stupid toto dispute me one sentence at a time if thats what you have to do?
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Oh dammit, lets start off with one of the very first ones.

"God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell".

You do realize that many denominations don't believe in a literal hell right???
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Its pretty widely accepted that the average christian believes in hell so how is that a stupid statement?
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OP, read Ge:1-3 and Revelation:20-23 and tell me if the 1st post still holds true.

All the stuff in the middle is about the two bruises in Ge:3:15. It makes little difference how a person dies in that time-frame given for the bruises. This earth was only made 'good' the new earth is the perfected version where all flesh that was conceived sine Ge:1 will be alive in the new earth. (all flesh being air, sea and land creatures)

Sinners and saints both will be gathered, saints first for the 1,000 year reign and everybody else after Satan is in the lake.

Re:22:11:
He that is unjust,
let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy,
let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous,
let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy,
let him be holy still.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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GOD did not send Satan to earth to send us to Hell....

He created us for a relationship with him, Satan still had free will to roam....

But let's go with what you just said for a minute...

Say GOD just obliterated Satan then created us and we never knew that evil or dis-obedience existed what would of that done to the *Balance* of the Universe?

Remember Satan had already deceived 1/3 of GOD's divine angels to follow him....

So now before we were created there was an im-balance in the universe because of the rebellion...


GOD first had to show the Created beings in the Universe what rebellion created...Remember GOD is a GOD of love and wisdom, he expects all of his creation to understand his wisdom because in that we find his Eternal Love for what he created...

There is an animated Youtube Video called the Cosmic Conflict, it gives you a good analogy of how EVIL came to be..

Here is part one

THE ORIGIN OF EVIL

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I have to wonder why people would create a topic on a forum board, rather than just read the bible and decide for themselves.

The nature of the topic denotes that you aren't Christian, or you have doubts... surely the best info you can get is on godlike forums..
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I choose to explain it to people this way;

When you were little and exploring around your front yard or wherever,you could not understand anything wrong about darting out in front of a car in the road or jumping into a full pool.
Your parents had to guide you thru everything and some of the things, well most, they did made you so furious you would throw yourself on the ground and scream and cry. BUT YOUR PARENTS LOVED YOU!

Well, to make a long story short, here you are NOW in a HUGE universe that you don't understand and God has given you a guidebook (Bible) to help you get to know him and how to come home to him safely.
Sometimes things happen (people die, disasters happen) and it makes you furious and you want to kick and scream and cry and ask questions. BUT GOD LOVES YOU!

Why do you think the bible says that you are to come "as a little child"? That is exactly what you are in this universe. HIS UNIVERSE.
He doesn't want you hurt, scared, or worried at any time. And if you learn his words and his ways....you will understand and know that even though his ways we don't understand, he DOES love us.

I am sorry that I couldn't go into some other things but I hope I helped in some small way.

God Bless you!
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Its pretty widely accepted that the average christian believes in hell so how is that a stupid statement?
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The only ones sent to hell are the unrepented Gentiles when the 7th trump sounds. That would be Satan's followers and Isa:14 says they will be mocking Satan for the 1,000 years and when Satan is released with all other fallen angels to be sent to the lake the doors to hell remain locked and are opened after that at the GWT.The ones coming out have served their whole punishment so God can view them as being sinless and as such they can be given the same living water that the ones who were alive for the 1,000 years (a static population from start to finish). The difference between the two groups is one group gets to live inside New Jerusalem and the others (the larger group) will make their homes in the New Earth. (Isa:65)
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Long story short, God does not want a bunch of rapists, thieves, crack dealers and killers living in his neighborhood any more than you would. That's why he sent us here for this short period of time we have to spend on earth, to sort out the greaseballs from the good neighbors. This is where you prove where you belong.

God could have programmed you like a computer to be a good little boy and to love him. Yes he could have done that. You could make a robot and program him to love you. But does the robot really love you? No. You could have programmed him to call you an asshole all day instead. it might be fun to have a robot that's programmed to love you for awhile, but it would eventually get old and you'd come to realize you don't want robot friends programmed to love you. You want real friends that love you. God gave you no programming, you choose whether you love or hate him or don't care either way. That's the only way your love and friendship means something.

God is not unlike you or I. Do you want to be around people who hate you? Do you want them living in your house? Why do you think he would?
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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What is there to respond to?
I don't see a question in your post.
You have it almost correct though except for " It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all...."

In Revelation ch 20:
The Judgment of the Dead

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


SO; you don't have to believe in the Holy Book to go to heaven.
However you will be judged on your own actions and merits.
Jesus will not intercede on your behalf.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Why should we answer you?
Have you even tried to take the initiative to read that book we call the Bible? All you seem to be doing is acting out your angst on God or people who believe in God?

God loves us <== true, so much so that He came as a man in Jesus Christ and died for ous sins on the cross that we could have Hope in the resurrection and our sins forgive by professing His death as payment for our sins. Yes the CREATOR GOD, who created everything HUMBLED HIMSELF and came as a man and died for His creation. That is how much God loves us.



God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. <== false

Who told you God banished Satan to earth?
Who told you God gives him the ability to corrupt us?
Satan was not always Satan, but an angel, but he rebelled and now does evil, because of his pride that HE wants to be God.

God gives all His creation, free will.
Satan has that free will as well and he can excersize that free will, but by rebelling against God in eternity, he has sealed a fate worse than physical death for himself. He has sealed eternal death in the flames that burn forever.

God is bringing all rebelling or SIN into judgement soon.
When He does, Satan will be finally dealth with as with all creation that has SIN in it.

As for believing in a book, the Holy Bible is God's Word given to us that we might know the Truth of His creation and His Will in creation and eternity.

That Truth came in the man of Jesus Christ, for He fulfilled the Truth of those words written in the Holy Bible.

We believe in God and His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Word, who IS Jesus Christ in the flesh.

When a Christian believe in the Holy Bible, they testify that they believe in God's Son Jesus Christ, who is the PHYSICAL EMOBIDMENT OF THAT WORD, THE WORD OF GOD.

So we testify that we believe in God and follow His Will in His Son, Jesus Christ.


God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all.... <== false

Again, who told you this jiberrish?
Who said God can only save less than 35%?
He can save everyone AS LONG AS THEY ARE WILLING TO BE SAVED.

God does not FORCE YOU to be saved or follow Him. What would be the point of FREE WILL then?

No only a few as you say gets saved because these FEW are the ones THAT WERE WILLING TO GET SAVED.

Because they confessed their sins to Jesus Christ, Son of God and asked forgiveness for their sins and have been BORN AGAIN, following after the Lord, to be like Him as we were originally created to be, IN HIS LIKENESS!

The Lord delays His coming because He wants EVERYONE to be saved but not everyone will be saved, because not everyone WANTS TO BE SAVED, because they are in REBELLION AGAINST GOD.

God will bring these rebels to judgement.

Yes, HE WILL BRING YOU TO JUDGEMENT IF YOU HAVE SIN IN YOU.

He is the author of Justice as well as Love and Compassion.
Justice is only present because there is Love and Compassions that demands it from a world that is UNJUST, against those who continually practice evil and abominations upon the earth.

He is coming soon and QUICKLY.
Listen to these words and turn back your heart to Him and follow HIM!

In Jesus Christ!
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OP what is going to change in your life?
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I have to wonder why people would create a topic on a forum board, rather than just read the bible and decide for themselves.

The nature of the topic denotes that you aren't Christian, or you have doubts... surely the best info you can get is on godlike forums..
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You can raed all you want by yourself but you can't fine-tune you understanding without running it past others, some may have read something you haven't considered in the most basic term. The getting out of hell is covered in Hebrews 12 and Isa:65 for the most part but it sets out the framework that all other references must fit into.

The 'collection plate' should be for dropping questions onto to get the answer next Sunday. If you need money the Church should be giving it to you rather than the other way around.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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you are so far off, i can only offer this at this time. Keep trying; some day i may have more time for you:

Jesus said to him, “‘you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
(Matthew 22:37 – 40)
Through study, you will find, in The Strong’s Concordance, the word “neighbour” means “fellow, Christian brethren”. Same with “turning the other cheek”.

Love letter:
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Psalm: 139:1
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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There are mostly non-Christian assumptions in your opening post. Perhaps that's why Christians aren't responding the way you had hoped they would?

And why is it that you hoped they would? The way I read your remarks, you are not open to discussion.
 Quoting: Life and Love


But but but thats what his public schools and MSM taughtz him!
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Okay... can you explain?
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God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all.... <== false

Again, who told you this jiberrish?
Who said God can only save less than 35%?
He can save everyone AS LONG AS THEY ARE WILLING TO BE SAVED.

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It most likely comes from the judgment of the Gentiles on the day of return. The 1/3 does not account for any resurrection as it is for the population that is alive on that day.

Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
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Re: Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?
Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?

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