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Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?

 
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?
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You break His commandments, don't believe in his Son, and not repent. Yeah that is judgment, and only you can earn that. Not Satan he has no real control unless you let Him.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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No, we are to accept Christ (his son), as a substitute for our sins. What goodness? Even our good deeds are like dirty rags to a holy God.
God cannot protect us, if we reject him, as that indicates to him that we do not wish to know him.
Now, would you force someone to know and love you?
He wants to be absolutely certain of our love, as that is why he created us, because he loves us.
Yes, Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven, because they decided with their free will to go against God.
Lucifer wanted to be like God, and was able to assemble one third of the angels to mutiny against God. So, he was cast out to ultimately receive punishment for his betrayal.
Yes, he uses Satan to prod men from time to time to test their alleagence to him.
Ultimately, he wants mutual love between him and his creation, but he loves us far more than we could ever love him, so he will not deny us our choice.

Your spouse has a choice not to love you, but if she decides to love you...you know its genuine.
 Quoting: Nobody... 1189609


What kind of an evil motherfucker gives its children free will just so he can sift through us and pick out the ones he likes? He obviously doesnt love all of us if he pre planned to fuck most of us over...
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well... if people are fucking other people over.. why should they go to heaven?

pretty basic really. I don't belive in pre-planning who goes, there isn't any scripture that says that. It simply says those that accept Jesus/God, as their one true God go to heaven. The bible also mentions those that haven't heard the word of God to go to heaven too. It also talks about those that are aware of God's word, but don't adhere to it to endure God's judgement..
 Quoting: Mxxpower


So you are saying ghandi and buddhist monks are fucking people over?

I welcome gods judgement for i am a good person and have nothing to fear...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Intersting question,

I haven't studied Ghandi, but the Buddists believe they are/ can become gods.. much like mormons.

This goes directly against any biblical teachings. Just because something seems one way onthe surface doesn't mean it's something else.

I am open to the idea I am made in God's image, and have some power for lack of a better term, but I do not believe I can become God, and that is the basis for a lot of the eastern teachings, becoming GOD.

How Lucifarian of them...
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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You have to be alive on the day of return to end up in hell, dead and awake. To die before then is to be in a sleep and suddenly you are awake at the GWT. That is why death and hell are emptied at the GWT. BTW the sea gives up the ones who died in the flood.
Islam is the alternative path to God for people who want nothing to do with a corrupt Church, the judgment will still be based on the relationship with God as defined by the 7 letters.
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NOT SCRIPTURE!
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Why "Not Scripture"? 99% of the faith is based on scripture. Impossible to explain or defend absent of scripture.

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Free will. I guess satan/devil/...whatever you want to call him/her, is walking with us. Or maybe not...haven't thought about it much. I can say this...after 10 years in the Marine Corps, I've seen my share of things to lead me to believe that there is most certainly "evil" in this world. I don't think he/she so much "drags" us to hell...more like a lot of people decide to go down that path of their own free will....there's that thing again, "free will".


God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


We kinda have to believe that the "men" were divinely inspired. We also have to believe that God would not allow men to corrupt the only instrument we have to base our faith on.


God can only save less than 35% of his creations.
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This is the first I've heard of this....I'm Baptist...nowhere in the Bible does it give a number of those that will be/could be saved.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Not 35%...Not 1/4....Not 144,000....WHOEVER.


It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity.
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Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

John 3:18,36 - "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".

Acts 16:30-31 "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house".

Romans 10:9 "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".

Galatains 2:16 - "A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ".

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast".

Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost".


But...there's more. Because, if you truly are saved, your actions will reflect it. Pay attention to this next one...it's very important:

Matthew 7: 21-23 - "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

But he loves us all....
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Yes....He does. Amazing isn't it?

Carry on.
 Quoting: salty1


So god gives us free will but sends us to hell if we make the wrong choices? He puts those choices in front of us on purpose and allows satan to rule over this world. He offers no help besides dying on a cross and whispering words into a few mens ears.

What kind of an asshole gives his children free will with the possibility of two destinations. One being eternal love and the other being eternal hate, torture and fear?

This whole religion is sheep control by TPTB yet you sheep cant realize it no matter what.
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As with threads like this and people like you,
Your true motive is to blaspheme God, for your heart is full of hate against Him.

What is the point of making a thread like this if you only attempt to be angry with God and blaspheme Him?

Do you not understand that everytime you do this your sins are counted against YOU? That you are given over to the dark heart that is inside of you?

You grow deeper and deeper into despair for you have rejected hope and soon you will not be able to recognize it, even if it was in front of your face.

Is it not like that now?

How can you ever turn away from your sin, when sin has consumed you and your heart within?

First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD IN.
First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR SINS TO JESUS CHRIST AND ASK FORGIVENESS.

If you are not willing, there is no point in telling you any of this is there?

For you have chosen your own road to damnation and eternal punishment in hell.

In Jesus Christ.
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I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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No.
You do not love Christ.

You admit it as much from your statement here.
It is as plain as day for your contempt for the Son of God is raw and open to anyone who has the Spirit in them.

In Jesus Christ.
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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I love Him Too!! Not only Him though I love everyone!!! Including you OP!
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Why "Not Scripture"? 99% of the faith is based on scripture. Impossible to explain or defend absent of scripture.

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Free will. I guess satan/devil/...whatever you want to call him/her, is walking with us. Or maybe not...haven't thought about it much. I can say this...after 10 years in the Marine Corps, I've seen my share of things to lead me to believe that there is most certainly "evil" in this world. I don't think he/she so much "drags" us to hell...more like a lot of people decide to go down that path of their own free will....there's that thing again, "free will".


...


We kinda have to believe that the "men" were divinely inspired. We also have to believe that God would not allow men to corrupt the only instrument we have to base our faith on.


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This is the first I've heard of this....I'm Baptist...nowhere in the Bible does it give a number of those that will be/could be saved.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Not 35%...Not 1/4....Not 144,000....WHOEVER.


...


Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

John 3:18,36 - "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him".

Acts 16:30-31 "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house".

Romans 10:9 "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".

Galatains 2:16 - "A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ".

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast".

Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost".


But...there's more. Because, if you truly are saved, your actions will reflect it. Pay attention to this next one...it's very important:

Matthew 7: 21-23 - "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

...


Yes....He does. Amazing isn't it?

Carry on.
 Quoting: salty1


So god gives us free will but sends us to hell if we make the wrong choices? He puts those choices in front of us on purpose and allows satan to rule over this world. He offers no help besides dying on a cross and whispering words into a few mens ears.

What kind of an asshole gives his children free will with the possibility of two destinations. One being eternal love and the other being eternal hate, torture and fear?

This whole religion is sheep control by TPTB yet you sheep cant realize it no matter what.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699



As with threads like this and people like you,
Your true motive is to blaspheme God, for your heart is full of hate against Him.

What is the point of making a thread like this if you only attempt to be angry with God and blaspheme Him?

Do you not understand that everytime you do this your sins are counted against YOU? That you are given over to the dark heart that is inside of you?

You grow deeper and deeper into despair for you have rejected hope and soon you will not be able to recognize it, even if it was in front of your face.

Is it not like that now?

How can you ever turn away from your sin, when sin has consumed you and your heart within?

First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD IN.
First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR SINS TO JESUS CHRIST AND ASK FORGIVENESS.

If you are not willing, there is no point in telling you any of this is there?

For you have chosen your own road to damnation and eternal punishment in hell.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Then what is your complaint?

Will you not go to eternal fire and suffer forever?

If this is what you desire then you will have it.

There is the other choice but you are only willing to CHOOSE this one.

So burn.
Or accept forgiveness and life.

In Jesus Christ.
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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You must not love the first commandment.
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What kind of an evil motherfucker gives its children free will just so he can sift through us and pick out the ones he likes? He obviously doesnt love all of us if he pre planned to fuck most of us over...
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well... if people are fucking other people over.. why should they go to heaven?

pretty basic really. I don't belive in pre-planning who goes, there isn't any scripture that says that. It simply says those that accept Jesus/God, as their one true God go to heaven. The bible also mentions those that haven't heard the word of God to go to heaven too. It also talks about those that are aware of God's word, but don't adhere to it to endure God's judgement..
 Quoting: Mxxpower


So you are saying ghandi and buddhist monks are fucking people over?

I welcome gods judgement for i am a good person and have nothing to fear...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Intersting question,

I haven't studied Ghandi, but the Buddists believe they are/ can become gods.. much like mormons.

This goes directly against any biblical teachings. Just because something seems one way onthe surface doesn't mean it's something else.

I am open to the idea I am made in God's image, and have some power for lack of a better term, but I do not believe I can become God, and that is the basis for a lot of the eastern teachings, becoming GOD.

How Lucifarian of them...
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No they believe that god lives within them and after they die they will return to the god consciousness and become on with the creator...

So you are saying that it isnt the actions a person takes in life that will send him to hell but the chemical reactions in his mind that create thoughts that send him to eternal fire?
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Nothing short a complete crisis of faith brought on by Reality trampling all their beliefs will change the mind of any religious person, whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. No amount of logic will work. Ever.
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this thread is done.
Did you not make your choice?

Then indeed you shall bear the fruit of your conscience and of your heart.

In Jesus Christ.
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The bible also mentions those that haven't heard the word of God to go to heaven too. It also talks about those that are aware of God's word, but don't adhere to it to endure God's judgement..
 Quoting: Mxxpower

Nobody gets to Heaven until after the 1,000 years, the last verse below is how the population that was alive for the whole 1,000 years gets there. Anybody that dies gets there through the first verses below.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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I love Him Too!! Not only Him though I love everyone!!! Including you OP!
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Now that is the spirit. How great our Earth would be if everyone had that attitude.

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So god gives us free will but sends us to hell if we make the wrong choices? He puts those choices in front of us on purpose and allows satan to rule over this world. He offers no help besides dying on a cross and whispering words into a few mens ears.

What kind of an asshole gives his children free will with the possibility of two destinations. One being eternal love and the other being eternal hate, torture and fear?

This whole religion is sheep control by TPTB yet you sheep cant realize it no matter what.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699



As with threads like this and people like you,
Your true motive is to blaspheme God, for your heart is full of hate against Him.

What is the point of making a thread like this if you only attempt to be angry with God and blaspheme Him?

Do you not understand that everytime you do this your sins are counted against YOU? That you are given over to the dark heart that is inside of you?

You grow deeper and deeper into despair for you have rejected hope and soon you will not be able to recognize it, even if it was in front of your face.

Is it not like that now?

How can you ever turn away from your sin, when sin has consumed you and your heart within?

First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD IN.
First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR SINS TO JESUS CHRIST AND ASK FORGIVENESS.

If you are not willing, there is no point in telling you any of this is there?

For you have chosen your own road to damnation and eternal punishment in hell.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Then what is your complaint?

Will you not go to eternal fire and suffer forever?

If this is what you desire then you will have it.

There is the other choice but you are only willing to CHOOSE this one.

So burn.
Or accept forgiveness and life.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


Haha i feel so bad for people like you. The only way to justify your sad life is to condemn others to hell... you really think god wants to hangout with a bunch of people who walked around earth telling everyone they are going to hell? You think he will think you are better than me?
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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I love Him Too!! Not only Him though I love everyone!!! Including you OP!
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I love you too! We are one!
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So god gives us free will but sends us to hell if we make the wrong choices? He puts those choices in front of us on purpose and allows satan to rule over this world. He offers no help besides dying on a cross and whispering words into a few mens ears.

What kind of an asshole gives his children free will with the possibility of two destinations. One being eternal love and the other being eternal hate, torture and fear?

This whole religion is sheep control by TPTB yet you sheep cant realize it no matter what.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


God doesn't "send" you to hell for making the wrong choices...He doesn't save you from hell because you made the wrong choices. There is a difference.

He offers a lot more help than the two acts you point out. As a matter of fact, even though you profess to not believe, I would wager anything that God has "helped" you in more ways than you could possibly imagine. Some may be very subtle, others impossible to ignore. If you were being honest, I would believe that you could think of some.

God has given us a choice...

Believe...profess...and work = Eternal life

Not believe...not profess...and it doesn't matter what your works are = Eternal damnation.

Seems pretty simple to me...I for one am glad he didn't overcomplicate it.

I'm a long ways from being a "sheep". But whatever...believe what you want. No one is going to force you to believe anything.

Also, if you really want to have a discussion about something, try using less juvenile language in the future.
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Actually, regardless of how 'good' a person you are, you're still a sinner and deserve hell, like we all do. Or are you saying you are above sin? If not, then you can repent and turn away from those sins, and have faith in Jesus. The real question is, why do you continue to doubt Jesus, when all recorded history and prophecy points to only him? You think muhammed is a btter candidate, or are you just a believer in the puddle of slime?
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No... i love christ. I also love buddha, krishna and horus for they shared the same consciousness. These were being on earth who had complete acces to the akashic records. Christ tried to liberate us from the bloodline that ruled over humanity and still does today but they killed him off and turned him into a god that they could control and manipulate through stories. Wake up.
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I love Him Too!! Not only Him though I love everyone!!! Including you OP!
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Now that is the spirit. How great our Earth would be if everyone had that attitude.

hf
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We need to realize that we are one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively! I love everyone! Even you rothschild for you are an important piece in this game!
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As with threads like this and people like you,
Your true motive is to blaspheme God, for your heart is full of hate against Him.

What is the point of making a thread like this if you only attempt to be angry with God and blaspheme Him?

Do you not understand that everytime you do this your sins are counted against YOU? That you are given over to the dark heart that is inside of you?

You grow deeper and deeper into despair for you have rejected hope and soon you will not be able to recognize it, even if it was in front of your face.

Is it not like that now?

How can you ever turn away from your sin, when sin has consumed you and your heart within?

First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD IN.
First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR SINS TO JESUS CHRIST AND ASK FORGIVENESS.

If you are not willing, there is no point in telling you any of this is there?

For you have chosen your own road to damnation and eternal punishment in hell.

In Jesus Christ.
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I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
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Then what is your complaint?

Will you not go to eternal fire and suffer forever?

If this is what you desire then you will have it.

There is the other choice but you are only willing to CHOOSE this one.

So burn.
Or accept forgiveness and life.

In Jesus Christ.
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Haha i feel so bad for people like you. The only way to justify your sad life is to condemn others to hell... you really think god wants to hangout with a bunch of people who walked around earth telling everyone they are going to hell? You think he will think you are better than me?
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Since you dont believe in the 10 commandments, why would you care or presume to care what God thinks?
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
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So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?
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It's like this.... God made two places for eternity, heaven and hell. Hell was created for satan and the angels that followed him in rebellion. Heaven was created for God and everyone else (angels, people, etc.) Man was given one simple rule and that was not to eat from one tree in the whole garden. Well he failed and brought sin into the world. God gave Jesus as a gift so that we can be saved from death (hell). We make the choice if we want to except the gift or not. God just gives you what you want, and if you don't want any part of Him, then He sends you to where He isn't since that is what you want.
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Romans 1 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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So god gives us free will but sends us to hell if we make the wrong choices? He puts those choices in front of us on purpose and allows satan to rule over this world. He offers no help besides dying on a cross and whispering words into a few mens ears.

What kind of an asshole gives his children free will with the possibility of two destinations. One being eternal love and the other being eternal hate, torture and fear?

This whole religion is sheep control by TPTB yet you sheep cant realize it no matter what.
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God doesn't "send" you to hell for making the wrong choices...He doesn't save you from hell because you made the wrong choices. There is a difference.

He offers a lot more help than the two acts you point out. As a matter of fact, even though you profess to not believe, I would wager anything that God has "helped" you in more ways than you could possibly imagine. Some may be very subtle, others impossible to ignore. If you were being honest, I would believe that you could think of some.

God has given us a choice...

Believe...profess...and work = Eternal life

Not believe...not profess...and it doesn't matter what your works are = Eternal damnation.

Seems pretty simple to me...I for one am glad he didn't overcomplicate it.

I'm a long ways from being a "sheep". But whatever...believe what you want. No one is going to force you to believe anything.

Also, if you really want to have a discussion about something, try using less juvenile language in the future.
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So because my thoughts dont align with the book he had men write down on paper he isnt going to save my eternal soul?
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I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
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Yep, in the new earth with everybody else, no effort on your part even required unless you want to try to be part of the first group gathered.
They become childless Priests and Kings, the ones gathered last will all be parents to about 100 children but they make their home outside the city walls. The new earth is the old heaven of the angels so we have eternity to explore and settle the universe.
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As with threads like this and people like you,
Your true motive is to blaspheme God, for your heart is full of hate against Him.

What is the point of making a thread like this if you only attempt to be angry with God and blaspheme Him?

Do you not understand that everytime you do this your sins are counted against YOU? That you are given over to the dark heart that is inside of you?

You grow deeper and deeper into despair for you have rejected hope and soon you will not be able to recognize it, even if it was in front of your face.

Is it not like that now?

How can you ever turn away from your sin, when sin has consumed you and your heart within?

First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD IN.
First YOU MUST BE WILLING TO ADMIT YOUR SINS TO JESUS CHRIST AND ASK FORGIVENESS.

If you are not willing, there is no point in telling you any of this is there?

For you have chosen your own road to damnation and eternal punishment in hell.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


I dislike your god yes for he is the leader of the archons. YHVH is an evil overlors who demands worship or he devours you but thats another story.

Hahahahaha i was destined for this therefore i have no freewill... god sees past, present and future simultaneously therefore when he created my soul he knew exactly where i would end up right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24992699


Then what is your complaint?

Will you not go to eternal fire and suffer forever?

If this is what you desire then you will have it.

There is the other choice but you are only willing to CHOOSE this one.

So burn.
Or accept forgiveness and life.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


Haha i feel so bad for people like you. The only way to justify your sad life is to condemn others to hell... you really think god wants to hangout with a bunch of people who walked around earth telling everyone they are going to hell? You think he will think you are better than me?
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No one is condemning you, you are condemning yourself. Try the blame game on your day, and lets see how far that gets you.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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So because my thoughts dont align with the book he had men write down on paper he isnt going to save my eternal soul?
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Do the math.

Lu:12:6:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7:
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value than many sparrows.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. (TRUE)

God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us (PARTIALLY TRUE: WE LIVE HERE, AND THIS IS HIS KINGDOM: HE TRULY LIVES IN HELL BUT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO TEST US


and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. (TRUE: OUR LOVE FOR GOD IS TESTED)


God sacrifices himself (TRUE)

so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. (TRUE, HOWEVER YOU LEAVE OUT PERTINENT INFORMATION SO THAT YOUR POINT OF BEING AN ATHEIST OR WHATEVER YOU ARE SEEMS MORE LOGICAL. THE BIBLE, INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, DICTATED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, WAS WRITTEN AND COMPILED BY THE HANDS OF MEN, SO THAT THROUGH HIS TEACHINGS WE CAN FIND OUR WAY HOME TO HIM.


God can only save less than 35% of his creations. (FALSE: I'M A CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN AND I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS 35% BEFORE. GOD GIVES EVERY SINGLE PERSON BORN IN THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE THE CHANCE TO BE SAVED. THERE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE EVIL PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO NOT LIVE ACCORDING TO HIS LAW. HOW MANY THAT IS, I'VE NEVER HEARD QUANTIFIED, AND I FIND THE FIGURE THE YOU ARE QUOTING DIVISIVE, ERRANT, AND SELF SERVING.

It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....(FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE: MANY CHRISTIANS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS EITHER BUT THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

GOD LOVES US ALL EQUALLY
HE KNOWS THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER HEAR HIS NAME
BUT HE HAS MANY NAMES...AND I GUARANTEE...EVERYONE ON EARTH HAS HEARD AND ACCEPTED, AND BELIEVED IN AT LEAST ONE OF HIS OTHER NAMES:

GOD'S OTHER NAMES:
LOVE
SAVIOR
FRIEND
COUNSELOR
REDEEMER
(AND MANY MANY MORE)

DO YOU LOVE? IF SO, THEN YOU KNOW HIM AND ACCEPT HIM.
HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU DON'T KNOW GOD IF YOU KNOW LOVE. HE IS LOVE, HE IS ALL LOVE, HE IS ONLY LOVE.

GOD DOES NOT CALL US TO LOVE HIS HOLY BOOK, IT IS A TOOL TO USE.
HE CALLS US TO LOVE HIM &
LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS AS OURSELVES. (IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'VE FOUND THE WAY TO HEAVEN.

NOW, THERE ARE FELLOW CHRISTIANS WHO ARE GOING TO DISAGREE, AND THEY WILL BE WRONG. GOD IS NOT EVIL. HE FINDS A WAY TO SAVE EVERY SINGLE SOUL. THAT INCLUDES THE SMALL TIBETAN BOY WHO GREW UP ISOLATED AND NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE A BIBLE, OR EVEN HERE THE NAME JESUS SPOKEN.

INTERIORLY, INNATELY, EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS EARTH KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG, LOVE FROM HATE, NIGHT FROM DAY, EVIL FROM GOOD.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SO COMPLICATED. SIMPLY LOVE GOD AND LOVE OTHERS.

GOD MAKES IT INCREDIBLY EASY TO GET IN TO HEAVEN.

IT IS SATAN WHO WANTS TO CONFUSE, TO MAKE THE GOAL SEEM UNATTAINABLE. TO CONFUSE.

GOD BLESS

(ps: I only used capitals to separate my answers from your questions,
I wasn't yelling. I tried changing the color but it wasn't working.)
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Basically comes down to if you don't speak the magic words you are tortured for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever.

Must keep it neat and simple, don't want to confuse the sheep.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
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So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?
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It's like this.... God made two places for eternity, heaven and hell. Hell was created for satan and the angels that followed him in rebellion. Heaven was created for God and everyone else (angels, people, etc.) Man was given one simple rule and that was not to eat from one tree in the whole garden. Well he failed and brought sin into the world. God gave Jesus as a gift so that we can be saved from death (hell). We make the choice if we want to except the gift or not. God just gives you what you want, and if you don't want any part of Him, then He sends you to where He isn't since that is what you want.
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So god did place satan on earth? Where is hell located? Where is heaven located? What happens after heaven?

How is dying on a cross knowing that you have eternal life since you are god a sacrifice?
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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What, you want an education HANDED to you in a box?

Ignorant Lazy people like you really crack me up. Get off your ass and do as the bible says, if you want to understand. IF you don't care enough to at least do that, you've got no place (or business) in the kingdom of God.


"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children." Hosea 4:6
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Yeah God is like a parent who puts 2 plates infront of his child, both contain little red pebbles. The parent says left is food and the right one is rat poisoning. Christians think this is a very good way to raise your children. If your child is curious or doesn't really understand what rat poisoning is good riddance christians say, he shouldn't be allowed to live under our custody. Then they say see how loving and caring we are.
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So because my thoughts dont align with the book he had men write down on paper he isnt going to save my eternal soul?
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No...Because you say you don't believe the WORDS that are written in the Book is why He isn't going to save your soul.

It's not my place to judge though...All I can do is point to the truth. I believe what I believe, you are FREE to believe what you believe. Good luck with that.
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