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Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?

 
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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
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So can any Christian answer my question in my post above?
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Could you read the bible please and come back when you're done?



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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


The bible has man proven more than disproven... there is your answer. Every heathen, humanist, evolutionist, is out to disprove the bible. but they can't... it is a better scientific record than any THEORY they can come up with. THAT is why people believe the bible. It is right.

Not to mention that God is all around us and it's pretty fucking obvious.
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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


Disagree = "angry" or "offended"?

Jesus Christ is Lord.

I'm sure.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?
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durrrr you send yourself to hell.... pretty self explainatory
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

It is only self explanatory to really stupid people. First off, if you stand before Allah, and you just happened to have chosen the wrong God, what would you think as he sends you off to burn forever. Would you think? Wow, I chose hell? I made the wrong choice so I chose hell. Remember that you were born to Christian parents and this was all you ever knew but you just happened to be born in the wrong country.

So exchange Jesus for Allah. The Muslim person who had been born into the Muslim religion stands before Jesus. He was never taught that Jesus was God so he doesn't believe it. Jesus sends him to hell to burn forever. Now, this is not GOD'S fault, no, nothing is ever God's fault. This person CHOSE hell. That has to be the most stupid Christian argument of them all. WHo in their right mind would CHOOSE hell? No one would. You are just stupid.
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"By the way, people are predestined to hell. God knows everyone in the womb. You just HAVE to know that verse if you are a Christian. Have you ever read the book? So if God knows you before you are born, then he knows what choice you will make. He did give people the personality and intelligence that they will have? So he knows. He really does."

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This is a common human assumpton.......that because God has the power to know everything in advance....that He naturally will just do this.


However.....the ways of God are not that of man.


God hides certain things from Himself......and certainly has the right to do this.


The proof for this is that God is holy......and cannot lie or act in a false or fabricated manner.


He showed GENUINE EMOTION just before He was going to flood the world......which means that He chose not to allow Himself to foresee in advance what His Creation would become. God would not fabricate an emotion.


"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And the Lord was SORRY that He had made man on the earth, and HE WAS GRIEVED IN HIS HEART....."


In addition......there is great JOY IN HEAVEN when one sinner repents.


These emotions cannot be faked. God is holy.


Although God knows you in the womb......He hides from Himself the future choice that you will make. He does not pre-destine people for wrath.
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shit man the book was written long ago.

Dude knew what was up, doubt there are 30% now worth saving.
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Re: Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?
OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


The bible has man proven more than disproven... there is your answer. Every heathen, humanist, evolutionist, is out to disprove the bible. but they can't... it is a better scientific record than any THEORY they can come up with. THAT is why people believe the bible. It is right.

Not to mention that God is all around us and it's pretty fucking obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

This is a typical Christian response. First off, note the anger. Note the use of the word FUCK. Notice the lies. The Bible is the most ridiculous book of fairy tales ever written. There is no evidence for Jesus. There are talking snakes and talking bushes and talking donkeys in this book. But this idiot claims that the Bible is proven. By whom??? By a bunch of evangelists who know they can make a quick buck off of the gullible, and stupid Christians? That is who. Scientific proof is never going to prove the Bible.

Then they say that God is all around us. So, obviously, they only see puppy dogs and flowers. They don't seem to notice that God allows little children to starve to death or little children get cancer. There are hurricanes and tsunamis and earthquakes and disease and hatred and all around us, we see lack of evidence of God. IF God is real, then where is he? And they always assume that the Christian God is the only real God? Christians are such a brainwashed bunch of idiots.

Then they claim that evolution is a theory, even though they are quick to believe in the theory of gravity. If they had ever made it past 10th grade, they might know that theories are considered to be fact by scientists. Evolution is taught in college but you won't find creationism there. Could that be because it is not proven and it is frankly ridiculous. God made man from a clump of dirt. God had no creator himself. He just magically appeared out there in space. That is the kind of bullshit they believe and then they have the nerve to try to poke holes in evolution, a subject that no 10th grader knows anything about.
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent)
Professor: You canít answer, can you ? Letís start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From Ö GOD Ö
Professor: Thatís right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, donít they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smell your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. Iím afraid I havenít.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, super heat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we donít have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we canít go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : Youíre wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science canít even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professorís brain?
(The class broke out into laughter)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professorís brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable)
Professor: I guess youíll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sirÖ Exactly ! The link between man and GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
That student was Albert Einstein.
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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


The bible has man proven more than disproven... there is your answer. Every heathen, humanist, evolutionist, is out to disprove the bible. but they can't... it is a better scientific record than any THEORY they can come up with. THAT is why people believe the bible. It is right.

Not to mention that God is all around us and it's pretty fucking obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

This is a typical Christian response. First off, note the anger. Note the use of the word FUCK. Notice the lies. The Bible is the most ridiculous book of fairy tales ever written. There is no evidence for Jesus. There are talking snakes and talking bushes and talking donkeys in this book. But this idiot claims that the Bible is proven. By whom??? By a bunch of evangelists who know they can make a quick buck off of the gullible, and stupid Christians? That is who. Scientific proof is never going to prove the Bible.

Then they say that God is all around us. So, obviously, they only see puppy dogs and flowers. They don't seem to notice that God allows little children to starve to death or little children get cancer. There are hurricanes and tsunamis and earthquakes and disease and hatred and all around us, we see lack of evidence of God. IF God is real, then where is he? And they always assume that the Christian God is the only real God? Christians are such a brainwashed bunch of idiots.

Then they claim that evolution is a theory, even though they are quick to believe in the theory of gravity. If they had ever made it past 10th grade, they might know that theories are considered to be fact by scientists. Evolution is taught in college but you won't find creationism there. Could that be because it is not proven and it is frankly ridiculous. God made man from a clump of dirt. God had no creator himself. He just magically appeared out there in space. That is the kind of bullshit they believe and then they have the nerve to try to poke holes in evolution, a subject that no 10th grader knows anything about.
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So don't believe then.

What's the problem?

Aren't you happy with your unbelief?

Why does belief bother you?
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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


Disagree = "angry" or "offended"?

Jesus Christ is Lord.

I'm sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842

If you have read the responses so far to OP, most of the replies are

I dont have time to explain
how dare you question
go read the bible
F you OP for asking
your going to hell

yes I think there are allot of offended people.
Not allot of "christ like behaviour"
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"The Bible is the most ridiculous book of fairy tales ever written. There is no evidence for Jesus. There are talking snakes and talking bushes and talking donkeys in this"


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It is only natural for an unbeliever to try to discredit Christ by saying that the Bible is false.


These efforts are meaningless to God......and will not alter His actions one bit.

The Holy Spirit will continue to convict people of sin. Christ will continue to knock on the door of people's hearts.


The Bible issue.....you might as well drop it.


I had never even opened a Bible......yet God Himself came to me and showed me that I was lost.


I was not seeking Him.....but He was seeking me.


I then gave my life to Christ.


It was not only until AFTER I had been born again of the Spirit.....that I opened a Bible.


An unbeliever cannot understand Scripture.....only the basic Gospel Message.

You can only understand the rest of it with the help of the Holy Spirit.

God gave the Scriptures so that they are foolishness to those who are perishing......but a treasure to believers who have the help of the Spirit to understand it.


The disciples walked with Christ for 3 years......but did not understand the Scriptures. It was only until Christ rose from the dead and was walking with them......that He opened their understanding that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
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OP, why do you even ask?

You don't want to believe anyway.

You want NOT to believe.

You don't believe.

So what's the problem?

OP, what's your problem?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842


Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16655884


Disagree = "angry" or "offended"?

Jesus Christ is Lord.

I'm sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34500842

If you have read the responses so far to OP, most of the replies are

I dont have time to explain
how dare you question
go read the bible
F you OP for asking
your going to hell

yes I think there are allot of offended people.
Not allot of "christ like behaviour"
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So?
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Hell is mostly 'good' people...

you've heard the cliche "The road to hell is paved with... what?,... GOOD intentions."

Satan's doing you a 'favor' by trying to destroy you, haha!!


Sorry, guy, you've got a long way to go before you unravel the knot of your half way decent post. You just can't stand being 'told' what to do,... right? Is that your problem, or your 'boss's' problem? It's yours.

So...

Your main 'sin', judging by your own post, is... what?... presumptuousness? high arrogance of your own intellect?...mm mm mm?


btw- there is no "your own understanding", as they like to say in the 'rooms'. It IS the Scripture, and it IS the interpretation that you are SUPPOSED to follow. Until you've scientifically deconstructed and correctly interpreted the first 2 chapters of Genesis, don't even pretend to have an argument about anything.

Just sit down and shut up, if we want to get high we'll call on you.

WHERE does Scripture say God loves all?

These which are the children of the flesh, they are NOT the children of God. RM 9:6

What does that mean? Not YOUR interpretation. What is the intended meaning? Well, if you don't know, you might just get a resentment, so, maybe you should get a slower understanding. IF you're sincere, then God will be sincere back to you. IF you b a dik, well, why should you expect any straight answer about anything?

Maybe God resides in that tiny little island of doubt way deep down deep inside of your being, lock up way deep down? Maybe?
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"yes I think there are allot of offended people."


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Christ actually Himself also offended many people......including in His home town.


"So they were offended at Him." (Mt 13: 57)



Many people hated Christ, tried to stone Him on several occasions, throw Him off a cliff, etc.etc.


The Pharisees eventually convinced the Romans to kill Him.


Christ also stated that future Christians would be hated for His names sake.


So yes......the Gospel is offensive to many.
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent)
Professor: You canít answer, can you ? Letís start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From Ö GOD Ö
Professor: Thatís right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, donít they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smell your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. Iím afraid I havenít.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, super heat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we donít have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we canít go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : Youíre wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science canít even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professorís brain?
(The class broke out into laughter)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professorís brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable)
Professor: I guess youíll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sirÖ Exactly ! The link between man and GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
That student was Albert Einstein.
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he Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."

The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare. "Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"

"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

"I believe in what is - that's science!"

"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face spits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."

"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.

The class is in uproar. The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"

The professor wisely keeps silent.

The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?"

The class breaks out in laughter.

The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"

No one appears to have done so.

The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says the professor has no brain."

The class is in chaos. The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for.

The professor, amused at the student's antics, asks the student whether he's ever read anything about science.

"No," says the student. "I only know what I've heard in church."

"That explains your ignorance about what science is, young man," says the professor. "Empirical knowledge of something does not always entail direct observation. We can observe the effects of something and know that it must exist. Electrons have not been observed, but they can create an observable trail that can be observed, so we can know they exist."

"Oh," said the Christian.

"No one has observed my heart, but we can hear it beating. We also know from empirical knowledge of people that no one can live without a heart, real or manufactured, or at least not without being also hooked up to some medical equipment. So we can know that I have a heart even though we have not seen it."

"Oh, I see. That makes sense," said the Christian student.

"Similarly, we can know that I have a brain. I wouldn't be able to talk, walk, and so on unless I had one, would I?" said the professor.

"I guess not."

"In fact, if I had no brain I couldn't do anything at all. Except maybe become a televangelist!"

The class broke up with laughter. Even the Christian laughed.

"Evolution is known to be true because of evidence," continued the professor. "It is the best explanation for the fossil record. Even prominent creationists admit that the transition from reptiles to mammals is well documented in the fossil record. A creationist debate panel, including Michael Behe and Philip Johnson, conceded this on a televised debate on PBS. It was on Buckley's "Firing Line" show. Did you see it?"

The Christian student cleared his throat and said in a low voice, "My mom won't let me watch educational TV. She thinks it will weaken my faith."

The professor shook his head sadly. "Knowledge does have a way of doing that," he said. "But in any case, evolution is also the best explanation for phenomena that have been observed."

The Christian student sputters, "You--you mean we HAVE seen it?"

"Of course. Evolution has occured within recent times, and it continues to occur. Birds and insects not native to Hawaii were introduced just a couple of centuries ago and have evolved to take better advantage of the different flora. So this evolution has taken place within recorded history. Recent history. Did you know that?"

"Uh, no."

"Viruses other diseases evolve to become resistant to medicine. This is not only observed but it is a major problem that science must confront every day. Mosquitos in the tunnels of London's underground have evolved to become separate species because of their isolation from other groups of mosquitos. But enough about evolution. That doesn't have anything to do with our issue, evil, does it?"

"Well..."

"What does it have to do with our issue?" asked the professor.

"Well, if you don't believe in god, then you must believe we came from apes."

The professor laughed. "Evolutionists don't believe that people came from apes or even monkeys. They believe that humans and apes had a common ancestor."

"Wow!" said the Christian. "That's not what they told me at church."

"I'm sure. They can't refute evolution so they have to spread misinformation about it. But don't you know that many Christians believe that god made humans by evolution?"

"I didn't know that."

"In fact, of the four people who debated the evolution side on PBS, on William F. Buckley's 'Firing Line,' which I just mentioned, two of them were theists. One of them is a reverend, in fact."

"Really?"

"Really. Many denominations of Christianity embrace evolution. Catholicism, the largest denomination of Christianity, is compatible with evolution. So evolution is not relevant here, is it?"

"I guess not."

"Even if it were true that you have to be an atheist to believe evolution, which is not the case, and even if it were the case that evolution was unsupported by evidence, which is also not the case, this would not explain evil at all, would it. It is irrelevant."

"I see that now," said the Christian. "I don't even know why I brought it up. I guess I thought it was an example of how you believe something without evidence."

"Well," said the professor. "As you can see, it is not. There is plenty of evidence for evolution. And even if there were no evidence, this has no bearing on the issue of evil. As we proceed through the philosophy course, you will see how to use your reasoning ability to separate important issues from irrelevant ones."

"I'm guess learning already," said the student, looking at the floor.

"But back to the problem of evil," said the professor. "You stated that evil is the absence of good. How does that solve the problem of evil?"

The student said lifelessly: "If evil is the absence of good, then god did not create evil." It was evident that this was something the student had learned by rote and had often repeated.

The professor shrugged his shoulders. "Okay, let's suppose for the moment that this is true. This still does not explain evil. If a tidal wave wipes out a whole town, and 100,000 people die, is that evil?"

"There is the absence of good," said the student.

"But so what? The problem is why god did not prevent the disaster. If god is all-powerful he can prevent it, and if he is all-knowing he knows that it is about to happen. So whether he created the tidal wave is not relevant. What we want to know is why he did not do anything to stop it."

The student looked confused. "But why should he prevent it? It's not his fault."

"If a human being had the power to prevent a tidal wave wiping out a town, and this person intentionally failed to stop it, we would not say that the person is good. Even if the person said, 'It's not my fault,' we would be appalled that someone could stand by and do nothing as thousands die. So if god does not prevent natural disasters, and he is able to do so, we should not say that god is good by the same reasoning. In fact, we would probably say that god is evil."

The Christian student thought for a moment. "I guess I'd have to agree."

"So redefining evil as the absence of good does nothing to solve the problem of evil," said the professor. "At best it shows that god did not create it, but this does not explain why god does not prevent it."

The Christian student shook a finger at the professor. "But that's according to our human standards. What if god has a higher morality? We can't judge him by our standards."

The professor laughed. "Then you just lost your case. If you admit that god does not fit our definition of good, then we should not call him good. Case closed."

"I don't understand," said the student, wrinkling his brow.

"If I go outside and see a vehicle with four tires, a metal body, a steering wheel, a motor and so on, and it fits the definition of a car, is it a car?" "Of course it is," said the Christian student. "That's what a car is."

"But what if someone says that on some other definition it could be considered an airplane. Does that mean it's not a car?"

"No," said the student. "It still fits the definition of a car. That's what we mean by saying that it's a car. It doesn't fit the definition of an airplane, so we shouldn't call it that."

"Exactly," said the professor. "If it fits the definition, then that's what it is. If god fits the definition of good, then he is good. If he does not, then he is not. If you admit that he does not fit our definition of good, then he is not good. It does no good to say that he could be 'good' in some other definition. If we want to know whether he is good by our definition, you have answered that question. God is not good."

"I don't believe it!" said the Christian student. "A few minutes ago I would have laughed at the suggestion that god is not good, but now I actually agree. God doesn't fit the definition of good, so he's not good."

"There you go," said the professor.

"But wait a minute," said the student. "God could still be good in some other definition even if we don't call him good. Despite what we think, god could still have his own morality that says he's good. Even if we couldn't call him good, that doesn't mean that he isn't good on some definition. He could have his own definition anyway."

"Oh, you would not want to push the view that god might be good in some other definition," said the professor.

"Why not?" "Well, if he has definitions of things that are radically different from our own, he might have a different definition of lots of other things. He might have his own definitions of such things as eternal reward, or eternal life. Your supposed eternal life in heaven might just be a year, or it could be a thousand years of torture. God could just say he has a definition of reward that includes excruciating torture as part of the definition."

"That's right!" said the Christian, jumping up. His eyes were wide open. "If god can redefine any word, then anything goes. God could send all believers to what we call hell and say that it is heaven. He could give us ten days in heaven and say that that's his definition of eternity!"

"Now you're thinking!" said the professor, pointing a finger at the student. "This is what a philosophy class is supposed to do for students."

The Christian student continued. "God could promise us eternal life and then not give it to us and say that's his definition of keeping a promise!"

"Yes, yes," said the professor.

"I can't believe I used to fall for this Christianity stuff. It's so indefensible," said the student, shaking his head. "Just a few moment's thought and all the arguments that my church gave me in Sunday school just collapse."

"So it would seem," said the professor.

"I'm going to go to my church tonight and give the pastor a piece of my mind. They never tell me about important stuff like this. And they sure didn't tell me the truth about evolution!"

The student, who stood up as a Christian, now sat down as an atheist. And he started using his brain--because that's what it's for. The other students in the class sat there, stunned, for a few moments. They knew they had witnessed the changing of a person's life, the redirection of a young mind from falsehood and religious dogma to the honest pursuit of truth.

The students looked at each other and then began applauding. This soon gave way to cheering. The professor took a bow, laughing. When the students calmed down he continued his lecture, and class attendance was high for the rest of the semester.
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent)
Professor: You canít answer, can you ? Letís start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From Ö GOD Ö
Professor: Thatís right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, donít they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smell your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. Iím afraid I havenít.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, super heat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we donít have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we canít go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : Youíre wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science canít even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professorís brain?
(The class broke out into laughter)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professorís brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable)
Professor: I guess youíll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sirÖ Exactly ! The link between man and GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
That student was Albert Einstein.
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einstein was an agnostic, your last sentence is a lie
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"By the way, people are predestined to hell. God knows everyone in the womb. You just HAVE to know that verse if you are a Christian. Have you ever read the book? So if God knows you before you are born, then he knows what choice you will make. He did give people the personality and intelligence that they will have? So he knows. He really does."

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This is a common human assumpton.......that because God has the power to know everything in advance....that He naturally will just do this.


However.....the ways of God are not that of man.


God hides certain things from Himself......and certainly has the right to do this.


The proof for this is that God is holy......and cannot lie or act in a false or fabricated manner.


He showed GENUINE EMOTION just before He was going to flood the world......which means that He chose not to allow Himself to foresee in advance what His Creation would become. God would not fabricate an emotion.


"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And the Lord was SORRY that He had made man on the earth, and HE WAS GRIEVED IN HIS HEART....."


In addition......there is great JOY IN HEAVEN when one sinner repents.


These emotions cannot be faked. God is holy.


Although God knows you in the womb......He hides from Himself the future choice that you will make. He does not pre-destine people for wrath.
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Well, your God is impotent. God made man and then he was sorry he made man. So he destroyed man then he was sorry he destroyed man. He destroyed man because mankind was evil and then he told them he would never destroy them again because mankind is evil. Go read the story in Genesis. This is exactly what happened. In other words, God is a wishy washy weirdo, and I think you know this.

You cannot get around this. GOD created hell. God was the one who created it. And God is a hater, not a lover. Have you honestly read your Bible? Because God makes his chosen people, the people of Israel, eat their own children as a punishment. God is a cruel, evil barbarian that no human being has ever been able to match. And this is the God that you love??? Really???

If God didn't want to punish people forever in a lake of fire, he wouldn't. God is all knowing, right? THe Bible tells you that. God knows the beginning and the end. Remember the story of the Egyptian first born babies that God had killed. He BLINDED the Pharoah so that he wouldn't let the people go. God did not just kill the Pharaoh, he punished innocent children to punish him. God would not LET the Pharaoh let the people go. He made sure that he wouldn't so that he could kill all those babies.

God has a rule that he ALWAYS goes by. He punishes innocent people. Think of David and Bathsheba, they had a child. Did God punish David for this sin? Did he punish Bathsheba? No, he punished the baby. He killed the baby and it took seven days for the child to die.

Even his blood sacrifices in the OT had to be innocent and perfect animals. What kind of a God enjoys the smell of burning fat? What kind of a God sits up in heaven waiting for an animal to be burned for him. ANd think of Jepthath and his daughter. She became a sacrifice to God. God allowed Jepthath to win a battle and she was the first thing that came out of his house. She was a virgin, of course, because God would have accepted no less. And her father killed her to satisfy God.

If this is the kind of God that you have to resort to "loving" then I feel deep pity for you. You have been conned, brainwashed, and controlled. You have no mind of your own. You have no love for humanity. You are a sad, sick individual. Your God is not good and you cannot keep making these lame excuses for him. They do not work. They are easily trumped. You lose and that is the end of the story.
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Im not OP but i believe why OP asks is because he is wondering why you believe as you do? Does asking questions should not offend you?
I like to hear what others think, I like to see how they come up with what they believe.
The words that humans are scared to say: I DONT KNOW...
If God did create us with a mind and free will, i would expect that he wouldnt want us to just blindly follow because of what someone wrote 2000 years ago...he would want us to question.

2000 years was a long time ago.
humans were not as informed as we are now (would you agree?)
Because we were not as informed we were easily steered to believe myths, monsters...religion.
Indians have a religion, Jews have a religion, asian(s) have 2 or 3 religions. Muslim countries well are Muslim. Christians have many sub religions (and they all say the others are all wrong)

The bible was not a blog..it was written after 50-80 years after Jesus time. Many christians say it was god talking...(sorry if I want proof)

Look at how corrupt religions are now....they were always corrupt.
I wont bring up the religions before christians that had the exact story lines...


I say OP keep asking. When someone is angry about you asking....they are not sure themselves.
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The bible has man proven more than disproven... there is your answer. Every heathen, humanist, evolutionist, is out to disprove the bible. but they can't... it is a better scientific record than any THEORY they can come up with. THAT is why people believe the bible. It is right.

Not to mention that God is all around us and it's pretty fucking obvious.
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This is a typical Christian response. First off, note the anger. Note the use of the word FUCK. Notice the lies. The Bible is the most ridiculous book of fairy tales ever written. There is no evidence for Jesus. There are talking snakes and talking bushes and talking donkeys in this book. But this idiot claims that the Bible is proven. By whom??? By a bunch of evangelists who know they can make a quick buck off of the gullible, and stupid Christians? That is who. Scientific proof is never going to prove the Bible.

Then they say that God is all around us. So, obviously, they only see puppy dogs and flowers. They don't seem to notice that God allows little children to starve to death or little children get cancer. There are hurricanes and tsunamis and earthquakes and disease and hatred and all around us, we see lack of evidence of God. IF God is real, then where is he? And they always assume that the Christian God is the only real God? Christians are such a brainwashed bunch of idiots.

Then they claim that evolution is a theory, even though they are quick to believe in the theory of gravity. If they had ever made it past 10th grade, they might know that theories are considered to be fact by scientists. Evolution is taught in college but you won't find creationism there. Could that be because it is not proven and it is frankly ridiculous. God made man from a clump of dirt. God had no creator himself. He just magically appeared out there in space. That is the kind of bullshit they believe and then they have the nerve to try to poke holes in evolution, a subject that no 10th grader knows anything about.
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So don't believe then.

What's the problem?

Aren't you happy with your unbelief?

Why does belief bother you?
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Believe it or not, I do this to help people like you. Everything should be so obvious. As a matter of fact, sometimes I type my replies because I can't even believe that you people could be so brainwashed.

You think religion causes no harm so I should just let you believe what you want. This is not entirely true. Religion is evil at its core. It is about control. The person being controlled is you.

Think about this, they call you a sheep. You take pride in that. Do you ever think? What is a sheep? A sheep is a really stupid animal that just follows the pack. It is controlled. Actually one little dog can come along and drive a pack of sheep wherever he wants them to go. But you people think that being a sheep is a compliment. Why is that? Wouldn't you rather be compared to a strong and powerful animal? Why do you want to just be led, why do you want to just follow? Why do you have no mind of your own? Why can't you ask simple questions?

All of these things are astounding to me. I can hardly believe people could be taken in like this. You will believe ANY story that is written in the Bible. Think of the most absurd story you can imagine, more absurd than the talking donkey, more absurd than the God who kills babies at his whim. Imagine, for instance, that a goat had a human child and that story was written about in the Bible. YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT. That is the problem I see with people like you. YOu are blind, the blind lead the blind.

So if only one out of 100 awaken to these lies, I feel happy. I feel like maybe I have done my good deed for the week, if you know what I mean. Maybe there are people who are on the border between belief and non-belief. Maybe they will notice how defensive Christians are, how they can't answer direct questions, how they seem to follow the crowd. Maybe they won't want to take that path. So that is why I do this. Does that answer your question?
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Your link talks about Grant Js view on the Rapture. I also believe that Pre-Trib is false.

The other videos however talk about Scriptures written about Christ from the Old Testament......many hundreds of years before He came.


This Scripture was written approx. 1,000 years B.C........and 400 years before crucifixion was invented by the Romans.

"For dogs have surrounded Me.
The assembly of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced My hands and My feet
I can count all My bones
They look and stare at Me.
They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots."

(Psalm 22: 16-18)




Written approx. 480 B.C.

"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

(Zechariah 12: 10)
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent)
Professor: You canít answer, can you ? Letís start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From Ö GOD Ö
Professor: Thatís right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, donít they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smell your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. Iím afraid I havenít.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, super heat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we donít have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we canít go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : Youíre wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science canít even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professorís brain?
(The class broke out into laughter)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professorís brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable)
Professor: I guess youíll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sirÖ Exactly ! The link between man and GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
That student was Albert Einstein.
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einstein was an agnostic, your last sentence is a lie
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I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)
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"By the way, people are predestined to hell. God knows everyone in the womb. You just HAVE to know that verse if you are a Christian. Have you ever read the book? So if God knows you before you are born, then he knows what choice you will make. He did give people the personality and intelligence that they will have? So he knows. He really does."

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This is a common human assumpton.......that because God has the power to know everything in advance....that He naturally will just do this.


However.....the ways of God are not that of man.


God hides certain things from Himself......and certainly has the right to do this.


The proof for this is that God is holy......and cannot lie or act in a false or fabricated manner.


He showed GENUINE EMOTION just before He was going to flood the world......which means that He chose not to allow Himself to foresee in advance what His Creation would become. God would not fabricate an emotion.


"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And the Lord was SORRY that He had made man on the earth, and HE WAS GRIEVED IN HIS HEART....."


In addition......there is great JOY IN HEAVEN when one sinner repents.


These emotions cannot be faked. God is holy.


Although God knows you in the womb......He hides from Himself the future choice that you will make. He does not pre-destine people for wrath.
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Well, your God is impotent. God made man and then he was sorry he made man. So he destroyed man then he was sorry he destroyed man. He destroyed man because mankind was evil and then he told them he would never destroy them again because mankind is evil. Go read the story in Genesis. This is exactly what happened. In other words, God is a wishy washy weirdo, and I think you know this.

You cannot get around this. GOD created hell. God was the one who created it. And God is a hater, not a lover. Have you honestly read your Bible? Because God makes his chosen people, the people of Israel, eat their own children as a punishment. God is a cruel, evil barbarian that no human being has ever been able to match. And this is the God that you love??? Really???

If God didn't want to punish people forever in a lake of fire, he wouldn't. God is all knowing, right? THe Bible tells you that. God knows the beginning and the end. Remember the story of the Egyptian first born babies that God had killed. He BLINDED the Pharoah so that he wouldn't let the people go. God did not just kill the Pharaoh, he punished innocent children to punish him. God would not LET the Pharaoh let the people go. He made sure that he wouldn't so that he could kill all those babies.

God has a rule that he ALWAYS goes by. He punishes innocent people. Think of David and Bathsheba, they had a child. Did God punish David for this sin? Did he punish Bathsheba? No, he punished the baby. He killed the baby and it took seven days for the child to die.

Even his blood sacrifices in the OT had to be innocent and perfect animals. What kind of a God enjoys the smell of burning fat? What kind of a God sits up in heaven waiting for an animal to be burned for him. ANd think of Jepthath and his daughter. She became a sacrifice to God. God allowed Jepthath to win a battle and she was the first thing that came out of his house. She was a virgin, of course, because God would have accepted no less. And her father killed her to satisfy God.

If this is the kind of God that you have to resort to "loving" then I feel deep pity for you. You have been conned, brainwashed, and controlled. You have no mind of your own. You have no love for humanity. You are a sad, sick individual. Your God is not good and you cannot keep making these lame excuses for him. They do not work. They are easily trumped. You lose and that is the end of the story.
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Not really the correct response.

Prior to going on to new things.......you should say.....OK.....I can now see that God might not pre-destine people to hell......(which was your claim that was being responded to by me).


Instead......your first remark is: "Well your God is impotent."


Without admitting today that you might be incorrect.......you will continue to procede in the future stating that God pre-destines people from the womb to hell.....which is false.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Never heard he is only saving 35%. and even if you are a good person you will go to hell if you dont believe in the bible, that would put the bible over God
KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN.

I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT.

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"I can't even believe that you people could be so brainwashed."

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This is a typical remark.


Really..........think about it.......are you the original author and creator of all the writings and philosophies that you currently accept and believe in?


No.......you are the product of the teachings of various other humans whose ideas you were exposed to.
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First of all Satan cannot take or drag you to Hell. There is only one authority that cast judgement, God.
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So you are saying that god knowingly sends people to hell?
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durrrr you send yourself to hell.... pretty self explainatory
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It is only self explanatory to really stupid people. First off, if you stand before Allah, and you just happened to have chosen the wrong God, what would you think as he sends you off to burn forever. Would you think? Wow, I chose hell? I made the wrong choice so I chose hell. Remember that you were born to Christian parents and this was all you ever knew but you just happened to be born in the wrong country.

So exchange Jesus for Allah. The Muslim person who had been born into the Muslim religion stands before Jesus. He was never taught that Jesus was God so he doesn't believe it. Jesus sends him to hell to burn forever. Now, this is not GOD'S fault, no, nothing is ever God's fault. This person CHOSE hell. That has to be the most stupid Christian argument of them all. WHo in their right mind would CHOOSE hell? No one would. You are just stupid.
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You cant 'exchange' the two.. Only one was recorded to be a person. Look at some old Jewish sources, or Josephus or Tacitus.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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