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But if you ask John about Cristianity, the Bible, or the history of Israel/Judah, he will reply with an offensive remark. Even on his 'ask me a question' thread, when I asked respectfully.
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maybe that's how they stop him from spilling all the beans... Perhaps? I don't know just guessing based on how word programming goes...
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That actually makes some sense, never thought of that. I hope you keep an open mind on Christianity as well.
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mom and grandmother were Non-denom ... they were deep into the church

The bible and concordance were my two books growing up and I was not allowed to ask questions unless I did my own looking up things.

also I had a few dictionaries and completes sets of encyclopedias. I grew up in Miami in the 80's and it was a pretty bad place then so I did a lot of reading

I THINK I'm good on the religion aspect... I know how to read into ROOT words... they don't ever tell you to look into those too tough right? You should start...

Genesis 1 and 2 in Hebrew ROOT words... LOT different story.

happy hunting
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We can use something like the Chabad version now to check the hebrew. One part that misleads people about the first two chapters is the order that God creates things, and things being made in the garden specifically.
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I don't have time to explain it to you, I have a job to go to, but suffice it to say that you do not understand Christian Theology. Most Christians do not understand Christian Theology.

I'll give you the shortest version I can in the time allotted:

We were higher, where God is, and he begged us not to descend, because he could not follow, lest he become corrupt by a lesser station.

We left anyway, or were decieved to go, because we have free will and we were seduced by another with free will.

God cannot follow us here to personally take us home because it would be against our free will.

God provided a means for us to return because of his love for us, and through our own free will we can choose to accept it.

Or not, it is up to you.

Hell was not created, Hell is manifested as a natural opposite to heaven. The universe at our level is duality, and it is what we are forced to deal with now by simple mechanical law. It is because it is.

Now, I'm sure you've heard something like this before, and rejected it for whatever reason. That is you excercising your free will to not be saved, and I'm not interested in arguing against your free will choice. I Have made mine, and I'm happy about it. You go be happy about yours, unless you're not. If not, change it.
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The Christian God is corruptable?

God is not omnipotent?

God didn't create Hell? Then who did?
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I know this is going to be a rough spot for both believers and non-believers, but there are many layers to the onion of reality we find ourselves immersed in.

There is, first and foremost, THE ALL. THE ALL contains all intelligence, all sentience, all conciousness, all energy, all Potential, All Time in one point. Imagine the All as a Bar Magnet, with the + End on top and the - end on the bottom.

THE ALL is the Entirety of the Magnet, and contains within itself the + and the -. By virtue of being a magnet, both + and - ends simply exist, and at each polar extreme, exists the primary representatives of their attributes.

The Bar Magnet is impartial to the + and the -, recognizing both as intregal to it's function.

As for the + Peak, it contains the attributes:

Life
Love
Consciousness
Timelessness
Bliss
Family
Warmth
Father
Male Energy
Intelligence
Free Will/Liberty
Spirit
Creativity

As for the other, it contains the opposite:

Death
Hate
Unconciousness
Eternity
Contempt
SElfishness
Cold
Mother
Female Energy
Animal Instinct
Bondage/Servitude/Slavery
Matter
Destruction

Now at one point in timelessness we were all on the POsitive side with our "Father" at the Polar extreme.

But we found out that we could lower ourselves at will to experience what existence would/could be like in a more material environment. We found that we could manipulate Matter by creating things in the spirit, and that we could manifest ourselves in the material world at will and enjoy what we've created.

One of our Bretheren decided he was going to set himself up in this material world as God was set up in "Heaven" and convinced us all to join him, and we left our abode in Heaven and joined this rebel on Earth.

The Earth was in perfect harmony and balance, until this new Kingdom was set up and created disharmony, unbalance, and the Earth and everyone/everything on it "Fell" out of it's station and into a less-balanced portion of Negative Polarity "space".

See, Conciousness does not naturally manifest in negative space. Only free will brought it here, and now we became trapped somewhere we naturally shouldn't be.

Now "The Father" or the + Polar extremity cannot enter - Space no more than the top of a bar magnet can enter the bottom, lest it cease to be a magnet altogether and all is lost.

This is a model of what happened, and a model of why "God" "The Father" cannot just drop down, hang-ten, and scoop us all up back to heaven.
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I don't have time to explain it to you, I have a job to go to, but suffice it to say that you do not understand Christian Theology. Most Christians do not understand Christian Theology.

I'll give you the shortest version I can in the time allotted:

We were higher, where God is, and he begged us not to descend, because he could not follow, lest he become corrupt by a lesser station.

We left anyway, or were decieved to go, because we have free will and we were seduced by another with free will.

God cannot follow us here to personally take us home because it would be against our free will.

God provided a means for us to return because of his love for us, and through our own free will we can choose to accept it.

Or not, it is up to you.

Hell was not created, Hell is manifested as a natural opposite to heaven. The universe at our level is duality, and it is what we are forced to deal with now by simple mechanical law. It is because it is.

Now, I'm sure you've heard something like this before, and rejected it for whatever reason. That is you excercising your free will to not be saved, and I'm not interested in arguing against your free will choice. I Have made mine, and I'm happy about it. You go be happy about yours, unless you're not. If not, change it.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


The Christian God is corruptable?

God is not omnipotent?

God didn't create Hell? Then who did?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5036517


I know this is going to be a rough spot for both believers and non-believers, but there are many layers to the onion of reality we find ourselves immersed in.

There is, first and foremost, THE ALL. THE ALL contains all intelligence, all sentience, all conciousness, all energy, all Potential, All Time in one point. Imagine the All as a Bar Magnet, with the + End on top and the - end on the bottom.

THE ALL is the Entirety of the Magnet, and contains within itself the + and the -. By virtue of being a magnet, both + and - ends simply exist, and at each polar extreme, exists the primary representatives of their attributes.

The Bar Magnet is impartial to the + and the -, recognizing both as intregal to it's function.

As for the + Peak, it contains the attributes:

Life
Love
Consciousness
Timelessness
Bliss
Family
Warmth
Father
Male Energy
Intelligence
Free Will/Liberty
Spirit
Creativity

As for the other, it contains the opposite:

Death
Hate
Unconciousness
Eternity
Contempt
SElfishness
Cold
Mother
Female Energy
Animal Instinct
Bondage/Servitude/Slavery
Matter
Destruction

Now at one point in timelessness we were all on the POsitive side with our "Father" at the Polar extreme.

But we found out that we could lower ourselves at will to experience what existence would/could be like in a more material environment. We found that we could manipulate Matter by creating things in the spirit, and that we could manifest ourselves in the material world at will and enjoy what we've created.

One of our Bretheren decided he was going to set himself up in this material world as God was set up in "Heaven" and convinced us all to join him, and we left our abode in Heaven and joined this rebel on Earth.

The Earth was in perfect harmony and balance, until this new Kingdom was set up and created disharmony, unbalance, and the Earth and everyone/everything on it "Fell" out of it's station and into a less-balanced portion of Negative Polarity "space".

See, Conciousness does not naturally manifest in negative space. Only free will brought it here, and now we became trapped somewhere we naturally shouldn't be.

Now "The Father" or the + Polar extremity cannot enter - Space no more than the top of a bar magnet can enter the bottom, lest it cease to be a magnet altogether and all is lost.

This is a model of what happened, and a model of why "God" "The Father" cannot just drop down, hang-ten, and scoop us all up back to heaven.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver

You lost me at "father." This sounds like New Age garbage. It sounds like they fed you shit and you ate it. "Consciousness does not naturally manifest in negative space." Who taught you this shit? Was it some guru that you pay $200. an hour to? Oh, come on, grow up. THink for yourself. There is no God, end of story.
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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.....mirror mirror....
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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Sorry that you have that infantile need to live forever and can't get through life without that fantasy that God has some big house that he built for you in the sky because he just loves you sooooooo much.

The TRUTH is that there is no God and anyone with even half a brain already knows this? Where is this God? Does he watch while little kids starve to death? Does he care when a baby is raped? Does he give a damn when a child suffers from cancer? Or does God just sit there, picking his nose, wondering what horrors he can inflict on silly humans next?

The Bible is your source for God and that is all you got. Too bad it is a primer for grade school kids that even they would laugh at. Come on, talking donkeys, men living in the belly of a whale, the sun standing still so someone could win a battle, a god who kills the innocent to punish the guilty and on and on with this absurd list of stories that you would have to be mad to believe.

I don't believe there is a God. No, I KNOW there is no God. But there is a truth that I KNOW. I DO believe in unicorns and I KNOW they exist. Just as surely as you know God exists and I am completely sure that unicorns exist. SO what I want you to do is to go out and PROVE TO ME that unicorns don't exist? YOU NEED TO DO THIS. Do you see how really stupid it is to ask ME to prove that God exists? I am not the one who believes in it. You are. So the burden of proof is on you but I guess you are too dense to understand what I am saying. Holy shit, are there really THIS many stupid people in the world?
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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.....mirror mirror....
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Im sure you will tell us if you believe anything to be true.
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Unbelievers.....it is only natural that you find the Gospel message foolish........as this was foretold many years ago.


"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

"For it is written:

'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'


"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save thos who believe.

"For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ, crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...


"...that no flesh should glory in His presence."
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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Sorry that you have that infantile need to live forever and can't get through life without that fantasy that God has some big house that he built for you in the sky because he just loves you sooooooo much.

The TRUTH is that there is no God and anyone with even half a brain already knows this? Where is this God? Does he watch while little kids starve to death? Does he care when a baby is raped? Does he give a damn when a child suffers from cancer? Or does God just sit there, picking his nose, wondering what horrors he can inflict on silly humans next?

The Bible is your source for God and that is all you got. Too bad it is a primer for grade school kids that even they would laugh at. Come on, talking donkeys, men living in the belly of a whale, the sun standing still so someone could win a battle, a god who kills the innocent to punish the guilty and on and on with this absurd list of stories that you would have to be mad to believe.

I don't believe there is a God. No, I KNOW there is no God. But there is a truth that I KNOW. I DO believe in unicorns and I KNOW they exist. Just as surely as you know God exists and I am completely sure that unicorns exist. SO what I want you to do is to go out and PROVE TO ME that unicorns don't exist? YOU NEED TO DO THIS. Do you see how really stupid it is to ask ME to prove that God exists? I am not the one who believes in it. You are. So the burden of proof is on you but I guess you are too dense to understand what I am saying. Holy shit, are there really THIS many stupid people in the world?
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How do you know there is no God? Just because? Isnt there something in this universe (or out of it) that you might not know?
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"The Bible is your source for God and that is all you got."


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Unbelievers.....it is only natural that you find the Gospel message foolish........as this was foretold many years ago.


"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

"For it is written:

'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'


"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save thos who believe.

"For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ, crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...


"...that no flesh should glory in His presence."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32478829

Using Bible verses to prove the Bible is true is like me reading you the story of Jack and the Beanstalk to prove to you that the story is absolute truth. It doesn't work that way. Someone else could read from the Book of Mormon and insist it is true. Someone could read from the Koran and tell me it is true. This proves nothing.

Most atheists have read the Bible. They know all about your baby killing barbarian God who makes people eat their own children. I think I would rather create my own God, thank you. You can continue to be that blind sheep, but know that sane people are laughing at you. They really are. Behind your back, of course. But you continue on with your fairy tales. Have a nice night.
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God allows pedophiles
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When Christians answer your questions, and the answers are readily available to anyone who is seeking, you just want to argue, because you have your mind made up to reject God.
Check out the story of the pharaoh in Egypt who hardened his heart, hardened his heart, and continued to harden his heart. Finally God said, "Ok, have it your way, and then God hardened pharaoh's heart." He gently and tenderly calls everyone to Him, but those who persist in unbelief eventually get their way, and He honors their request to be left alone. Seek and you will find. Christians give you answers. If you don't want them, don't ask.
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Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!

God loves us. God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell. God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you. God can only save less than 35% of his creations. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....
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Just look at this Jesus try to get the peoples attention but everybody ignore Him like a stop street.

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Unbelievers.....it is only natural that you find the Gospel message foolish........as this was foretold many years ago.


"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

"For it is written:

'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'


"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save thos who believe.

"For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ, crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...


"...that no flesh should glory in His presence."
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Using Bible verses to prove the Bible is true is like me reading you the story of Jack and the Beanstalk to prove to you that the story is absolute truth. It doesn't work that way. Someone else could read from the Book of Mormon and insist it is true. Someone could read from the Koran and tell me it is true. This proves nothing.

Most atheists have read the Bible. They know all about your baby killing barbarian God who makes people eat their own children. I think I would rather create my own God, thank you. You can continue to be that blind sheep, but know that sane people are laughing at you. They really are. Behind your back, of course. But you continue on with your fairy tales. Have a nice night.
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And here we go with the baby killing, genocide, and always slavery. Context will help though.
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Anyone who believes that a great, celestial, all powerful 'god' needed to create what amounts to a soap opera just to alleviate his boredom is nothing short of nuts.

God needs love? Our love? What the fuck for? He needs an enemy and creates his own monster and then complains that the dude is stealing all the souls he also created?!

What utter fucking nonsense, and if it's not nonsense then 'god' is just an idiot.

That humanity could even come up with such a ridiculous story and make it last this long says nothing for human intelligence.

We're worse than cavemen...
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Unbelievers.....it is only natural that you find the Gospel message foolish........as this was foretold many years ago.


"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

"For it is written:

'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'


"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save thos who believe.

"For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ, crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...


"...that no flesh should glory in His presence."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32478829

Using Bible verses to prove the Bible is true is like me reading you the story of Jack and the Beanstalk to prove to you that the story is absolute truth. It doesn't work that way. Someone else could read from the Book of Mormon and insist it is true. Someone could read from the Koran and tell me it is true. This proves nothing.

Most atheists have read the Bible. They know all about your baby killing barbarian God who makes people eat their own children. I think I would rather create my own God, thank you. You can continue to be that blind sheep, but know that sane people are laughing at you. They really are. Behind your back, of course. But you continue on with your fairy tales. Have a nice night.
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And here we go with the baby killing, genocide, and always slavery. Context will help though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Also from the koran you will find dozens of contradictions in just a few minutes of googling. Cite a specific verse that troubles from the Bible if you're so sure.
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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Sorry that you have that infantile need to live forever and can't get through life without that fantasy that God has some big house that he built for you in the sky because he just loves you sooooooo much.

The TRUTH is that there is no God and anyone with even half a brain already knows this? Where is this God? Does he watch while little kids starve to death? Does he care when a baby is raped? Does he give a damn when a child suffers from cancer? Or does God just sit there, picking his nose, wondering what horrors he can inflict on silly humans next?

The Bible is your source for God and that is all you got. Too bad it is a primer for grade school kids that even they would laugh at. Come on, talking donkeys, men living in the belly of a whale, the sun standing still so someone could win a battle, a god who kills the innocent to punish the guilty and on and on with this absurd list of stories that you would have to be mad to believe.

I don't believe there is a God. No, I KNOW there is no God. But there is a truth that I KNOW. I DO believe in unicorns and I KNOW they exist. Just as surely as you know God exists and I am completely sure that unicorns exist. SO what I want you to do is to go out and PROVE TO ME that unicorns don't exist? YOU NEED TO DO THIS. Do you see how really stupid it is to ask ME to prove that God exists? I am not the one who believes in it. You are. So the burden of proof is on you but I guess you are too dense to understand what I am saying. Holy shit, are there really THIS many stupid people in the world?
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How do you know there is no God? Just because? Isnt there something in this universe (or out of it) that you might not know?
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Yes, there are plenty of things I don't know. And I don't claim to know everything. But I DO know that the God of the Bible does not exist. Using simple common sense, I do not believe in the gods that humans have created.

First question is where is this God? Is he really just invisibly waiting around in the sky? What does this God look like? Is he human looking? Does he have a body? If he is able to prevent evil, why doesn't he? Where is heaven? Is it a real place? After living for a billion, billion years, do you think you might get a little tired of being alive? I mean, what do you do for that length of time and WHY in the hell would anyone WANT to live forever?

So how do I know that Santa Claus isn't real? HE could be. There could be a little man who makes toys for all the kids, a man that rides in a sled pulled by flying reindeer? You believed that once, didn't you? So maybe that is true? So maybe I will first prove Santa, cause I believed in him first and then I'll go for God.

BY SIMPLE COMMON SENSE you should KNOW that no personal God exists. I am not saying that God could not be some electromagnetic force or something that will one day be explained by science. But there is not some personal God (Santa Claus) who knows everything you do, who listens to your prayers, who wants you to worship him, who made a place called hell to punish humans, etc. That God is obviously (or at least obvious to anyone with a brain that is still thinking) NOT REAL.

So what are the reasons you are clinging to this idea of God? Answer yourself truthfully and you will find that every single one of your reasons will be selfish. You want to believe because you need to think you will live forever. You need to believe that someone hears your prayers. What other reason could there be? It has to be some selfish reason. Sorry, but true.
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OP.

Verrrry simple.

God (who is really just a person's ego) want WANTS somebody (homo sapien, angel or animal)

to suck his tiny cock.

Do you understand now? Very simple, really.
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No human can convince another human that they are lost....only God through the working of the Holy Spirit.


How can you desire to be saved......without first knowing that you are lost????


I therefore hope and pray that God will visit people......and show you 1:1 the truth of your situation.
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Unbelievers.....it is only natural that you find the Gospel message foolish........as this was foretold many years ago.


"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

"For it is written:

'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'


"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save thos who believe.

"For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ, crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty...


"...that no flesh should glory in His presence."
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Using Bible verses to prove the Bible is true is like me reading you the story of Jack and the Beanstalk to prove to you that the story is absolute truth. It doesn't work that way. Someone else could read from the Book of Mormon and insist it is true. Someone could read from the Koran and tell me it is true. This proves nothing.

Most atheists have read the Bible. They know all about your baby killing barbarian God who makes people eat their own children. I think I would rather create my own God, thank you. You can continue to be that blind sheep, but know that sane people are laughing at you. They really are. Behind your back, of course. But you continue on with your fairy tales. Have a nice night.
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And here we go with the baby killing, genocide, and always slavery. Context will help though.
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Oh, I see. I type a long post and you tell me "out of context." Grow up. You know that God killed plenty of people, including infants, in the Bible. Just one case, he killed David's baby to punish him for his sin against Bathesheba. Was this fair to the baby? Or did I "take it out of context? He blinded the Pharoah so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go. GOd didn't kill the Pharaoh. No, he decided to kill all the first born CHILDREN to punish the people. IS this a GOOD GOD? Oh, I guess I took it all out of context.

When you people vomit out that excuse (out of context) I translate it like this: "God can kill, rape, maim, torture, steal, lie, abuse ANYONE he wants to because he is God. (But just don't let him do this to me or anyone I love and I am scared shitless of this God because he is a barbaric warlord and I know it) I am sorry that I can see through you, right to the core. You are scared of God because you KNOW, without a doubt, that he is a cruel being more evil than any person who ever lived. You live with this fear. You try to cover it up. YOu pretend to love this barbarian. And it is making you sick. Grow up.
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35%??? Where did you hear that?
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How can anyone claim to know God does not exist? This is irony at its finest. That same person probably doesnt believe in truth either.
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Sorry that you have that infantile need to live forever and can't get through life without that fantasy that God has some big house that he built for you in the sky because he just loves you sooooooo much.

The TRUTH is that there is no God and anyone with even half a brain already knows this? Where is this God? Does he watch while little kids starve to death? Does he care when a baby is raped? Does he give a damn when a child suffers from cancer? Or does God just sit there, picking his nose, wondering what horrors he can inflict on silly humans next?

The Bible is your source for God and that is all you got. Too bad it is a primer for grade school kids that even they would laugh at. Come on, talking donkeys, men living in the belly of a whale, the sun standing still so someone could win a battle, a god who kills the innocent to punish the guilty and on and on with this absurd list of stories that you would have to be mad to believe.

I don't believe there is a God. No, I KNOW there is no God. But there is a truth that I KNOW. I DO believe in unicorns and I KNOW they exist. Just as surely as you know God exists and I am completely sure that unicorns exist. SO what I want you to do is to go out and PROVE TO ME that unicorns don't exist? YOU NEED TO DO THIS. Do you see how really stupid it is to ask ME to prove that God exists? I am not the one who believes in it. You are. So the burden of proof is on you but I guess you are too dense to understand what I am saying. Holy shit, are there really THIS many stupid people in the world?
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How do you know there is no God? Just because? Isnt there something in this universe (or out of it) that you might not know?
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Yes, there are plenty of things I don't know. And I don't claim to know everything. But I DO know that the God of the Bible does not exist. Using simple common sense, I do not believe in the gods that humans have created.

First question is where is this God? Is he really just invisibly waiting around in the sky? What does this God look like? Is he human looking? Does he have a body? If he is able to prevent evil, why doesn't he? Where is heaven? Is it a real place? After living for a billion, billion years, do you think you might get a little tired of being alive? I mean, what do you do for that length of time and WHY in the hell would anyone WANT to live forever?

So how do I know that Santa Claus isn't real? HE could be. There could be a little man who makes toys for all the kids, a man that rides in a sled pulled by flying reindeer? You believed that once, didn't you? So maybe that is true? So maybe I will first prove Santa, cause I believed in him first and then I'll go for God.

BY SIMPLE COMMON SENSE you should KNOW that no personal God exists. I am not saying that God could not be some electromagnetic force or something that will one day be explained by science. But there is not some personal God (Santa Claus) who knows everything you do, who listens to your prayers, who wants you to worship him, who made a place called hell to punish humans, etc. That God is obviously (or at least obvious to anyone with a brain that is still thinking) NOT REAL.

So what are the reasons you are clinging to this idea of God? Answer yourself truthfully and you will find that every single one of your reasons will be selfish. You want to believe because you need to think you will live forever. You need to believe that someone hears your prayers. What other reason could there be? It has to be some selfish reason. Sorry, but true.
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Are you really asking Christians if they think God could be human looking? Look up Jesus. He was recorded by the Jews too - why would that make sense, if it wasnt true? Also look up what Josephus and Tacitus recorded about him. The real debate (at least among Jews) is whether Jesus was the messiah or not. This billions of years nonsense needs to be dropped though. Science does not indicate that at all.
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Well, this is a tender point for me.

On the one hand I don't want to hurt anyones feelings though I know I have. Sometimes you have to.

On the other, I do respect and appreciate the words of Jesus as we find in various hard core gospels like Thomas and Q.

I see no reason to look at "The Bible" as my only bible (lol) as it's obviously man made/edited but I will entertain the posability of divine inspiration in certain passages and not discount it as a source reference and it can be inspirational.

For example The Bible doesn't include full charts of the corespondences of the Choir of Arch-Angels and Angels nor does it include Enochian, the angelic language.

Well thats a damn big omission!

Nor does it include Quabalah which is extremely important, nor does it include PROPERLY the knowledge of Light and Darkness and that is a serious sin, the not telling of.

From my perspective I see nothing but omisions and secrecy from all thre Abrahamic religions which instead adopt "faith" as opposed to truth.

It's very sad really.

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No human can convince another human that they are lost....only God through the working of the Holy Spirit.


How can you desire to be saved......without first knowing that you are lost????


I therefore hope and pray that God will visit people......and show you 1:1 the truth of your situation.
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No human can convince another mortal that they are mortal. Many people have a deep need to live forever and they can't live without that fantasy. So they invent Gods so that they can have that hope. Life is hard and humans don't want this to be all there is. They NEED to have more, but then humans always need to have more.

So no one can convince them because they prefer to live in a fantasy world. It is just easier that way. They never need to grow up. Inside the really do know that it isn't real. Of course, they are scared to death of questions then. And when atheists come along with questions, they don't read them or they run away.

So they pray to this God (whatever version of God they believe in, and there are many) that others will become like them. It is called comfort in numbers. Maybe 1:1 will allow you to see the real TRUTH of your situation, they self-righteously say, not that I am up on the Christian lingo to have any idea what 1:1 is, or not that I would care. I have grown up long ago and have no desire to be saved. I can save myself and I am not lost. I have no need for an imaginary friend or a crutch because I can stand on my own. I hope you one day come to your senses and realize you have been conned.

I used to be a Christian, just like you, gurgled out the same garbage that you just did. That is why I am so disgusted. I came to my senses and I just imagine that everyone could do the same thing. I realized how selfish I was. I was like you, I didn't really care that God created a hell to punish many humans for eternity. After all, he was god, he could do anything he pleased. Well, now I love people in their as is condition. I don't try to turn them into christians, like you just did. I feel sorry for you. I really do.
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want to keep the average "christian" busy for hours -

give them a concordance and a dictionary and ask them to look up the word God

watch the hilarity ensue...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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"Oh, I see. I type a long post and you tell me "out of context." Grow up. You know that God killed plenty of people, including infants, in the Bible. Just one case, he killed David's baby to punish him for his sin against Bathesheba. Was this fair to the baby? Or did I "take it out of context? He blinded the Pharoah so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go. GOd didn't kill the Pharaoh. No, he decided to kill all the first born CHILDREN to punish the people. IS this a GOOD GOD? Oh, I guess I took it all out of context."

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God actually at one time wanted to destroy His entire creation......becuase the thoughts of the heart were only evil continuously.

He preserved a remnant for the sake of one man.....namely Noah.


That is the only reason that you even now exist.


Because He preserved a remnant......He therefore had to go die for His creation.......because an unblemished sacrifice was required......and no human could meet this requirement.
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and then ask them BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL THE SAME GOD
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Well, this is a tender point for me.

On the one hand I don't want to hurt anyones feelings though I know I have. Sometimes you have to.

On the other, I do respect and appreciate the words of Jesus as we find in various hard core gospels like Thomas and Q.

I see no reason to look at "The Bible" as my only bible (lol) as it's obviously man made/edited but I will entertain the posability of divine inspiration in certain passages and not discount it as a source reference and it can be inspirational.

For example The Bible doesn't include full charts of the corespondences of the Choir of Arch-Angels and Angels nor does it include Enochian, the angelic language.

Well thats a damn big omission!

Nor does it include Quabalah which is extremely important, nor does it include PROPERLY the knowledge of Light and Darkness and that is a serious sin, the not telling of.

From my perspective I see nothing but omisions and secrecy from all thre Abrahamic religions which instead adopt "faith" as opposed to truth.

It's very sad really.

Frater
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so sad
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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"Oh, I see. I type a long post and you tell me "out of context." Grow up. You know that God killed plenty of people, including infants, in the Bible. Just one case, he killed David's baby to punish him for his sin against Bathesheba. Was this fair to the baby? Or did I "take it out of context? He blinded the Pharoah so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go. GOd didn't kill the Pharaoh. No, he decided to kill all the first born CHILDREN to punish the people. IS this a GOOD GOD? Oh, I guess I took it all out of context."

********************************************


God actually at one time wanted to destroy His entire creation......becuase the thoughts of the heart were only evil continuously.

He preserved a remnant for the sake of one man.....namely Noah.


That is the only reason that you even now exist.


Because He preserved a remnant......He therefore had to go die for His creation.......because an unblemished sacrifice was required......and no human could meet this requirement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32478829


Perfect Being, Reconsiders...How many contradictions are in that statement?
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"

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