Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?

Can you expand upon this?

Well fwiw I appreciate your honesty. My point is that even your grandfather's great great (insert 100 more) grandfather was not an ape, he was a person, and this is all we see today. Theres no reason to believe he came from an ape, and no reason to believe man wasnt created by God. Seriously though I wish you all the best, i apologize if i came off a little snide, it was due to something John said to me back in the day.

it's ok... I'm honest... I have nothing to hide.. that is why mind programming doesn't work on me so well. can't use shadows against a person who let them go...

I like John. He shoots straight regardless of what people think about him... nothing we know is the "truth" so you just have to wade through it all and get a better picture...

"He didnt have to destroy satan... he couldve just protected us from him..."


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God originally provided a paradise for Adam and Eve. He did not want to make robots.....but gave them free will.

However......what good is free will if there are no rules to follow?

God tests his children (even now)......tests their allegiance.


In the garden....He gave just one instruction.....don't eat from the tree.


More than likely Adam and Eve on their own would have never had the urge to eat from the tree......as they did not originally have a sin nature.


However Eve chose to listen to satan......and follow his words rather than God's.


From this point sin came into them.......and then later spread to all men. We now all have a sin nature.


The whole creation was ruined and satan was allowed to be prince of this ruined creation for a short time.


Just one act of disobedience......separated God's creation from Him.


Why? Because God is HOLY.......which is a difficult concept for humans to comprehend.


He could have just said......"oh we will let it slide this time......just try harder next time."


God generally will not do this.......bend the rules based on whims or emotions. In the Old Testament, He did change His mind and relented on a few occasions.....but this was only in response to a profound repentance on the part of Israel.


As far as His very important rules and laws however.....He cannot change them. God is holy.

The entire creation was ruined because Adam/Eve chose to listen to satan rather than God.


So God used satan to test His creation (Adam and Eve).....to see who they would obey and follow.


Satan also was allowed to test Christ in the wilderness.....and he used 3 half-truths......but Christ did not succumb to this temptation. Christ was without sin.......fully man and fully God.....and without sin.


God could have chosen someone else to tempt (test) Adam and Even......but He chose to allow satan. That is God's prerogative.

Well it seems that you do believe in God, so we are not the polar opposites I thought we were. Its much easier to disprove evolution than prove God, or explain why God would do every little thing. The book of Job demonstrates how God has a plan that isnt always obvious to the likes of us. I hope you you are inclined to keep learning about Christianity going forward.

But if you ask John about Cristianity, the Bible, or the history of Israel/Judah, he will reply with an offensive remark. Even on his 'ask me a question' thread, when I asked respectfully.

maybe that's how they stop him from spilling all the beans... Perhaps? I don't know just guessing based on how word programming goes...

That actually makes some sense, never thought of that. I hope you keep an open mind on Christianity as well.

Why Wont Chirstians Respond To This?


Here is my quick understanding of the main points of your religion. If i am wrong do not just say that i am an idiot, please back up your response with a logical argument from your own understanding NOT SCRIPTURE!


The Test

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If you want to know the truth about God you must use the scriptures, although they were written by men, they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. If you rely on others interpreting the Bible for you, it will probably be a disaster for you, as the world is full of false prophets, even this website is.



God loves us.



God does love us, because God is the source of Love. The problem with humans is they don't love God back. They reject Gods word and reject His commandments.
For example, many people are committing adultery on a daily basis, but they say they love God. They say their relationship/s are based on love, even though the Bible tells us it is a sin they tell themselves that God approves.

Gods Catholic Church does not allow divorce, but many people say they remarry and commit adultery or abominations out of love. That is why we have so many satanic cults that call themselves christians, that claim they love the Lord, but they hate His commandments.

Many also steal, lie and cheat on a daily basis, and they then say they love God.
For example, politicians, many of them say they love God but since the Bible warns taxcollectors and all sinners. They steal on a daily basis, or commit abominations, but then their excuse is: I am just doing my job. Their job is serving the devil. So how can these criminals expect to be rewarded for their evil, wicked abominations. But they then go to their abominable whore houses which they call churches, and blaspheme the Lord daily.


God banishes Satan to live on the same planet as us and gives him the ability to corrupt us and drag us to hell.



God has created this system because in His eyes it is the best way, The devil, only has power over sinners, the few people that live today, that have removed their sins, through Gods Holy Catholic Church, Sacrament of confession and by using the other Holy Sacraments, and through prayer, fasting, and most importantly following Gods Commandments, the way God tells us not the way the devil tells us through his false prophets, and abominable whore houses, which the blind call churches. They will all die with their sins and go to hell.






God sacrifices himself so that if you believe in him and do what it says in a book that was written by men you will be spared and satan will not get you.




God sent His only Begotten Son, Jesus to die for our sins, He also opened up salvation to the whole world, through His Holy Catholic Church. Prior to this salvation was only available to the Jews, through the Temple. They were able to confess and offer sacrifice to the Lord which would then remove their sins. If you were not Jewish you were not permitted to enter into the Temple, which meant that you would die with your sins.

So you see Satan actually does not have a say in who goes to heaven or to hell, all Satan does is tempt/blind humans. This happens for a variety of reasons that only the Lord knows. But one of the ways to bring the devil into your life is by ignoring God, His commandments, His Church, and His Sabbaths and by hating your fellow human beings.

Even if someone looks like a saint, and is paraded on the devils tv as someone that is holy or a good person, God knows the thoughs of humans, every thought is known by the Lord, and if He sees that someone has evil thoughts, He allows the devil to intervene, and that person receives the evil they desire in their hearts and the devil blinds them and blocks their ears, so they are deceived but will not find out until it's too late. Then they start accumulating more and more sins, and the more they sin the further they are from God.

Even if they preach Jesus name from the rooftops, they are far from the Lord, their cries do not reach His ears, their prayers are rejected, because they follow the devil, most of the time, or are involved with the devils things, which are the things of the world. They do not love their neighbour, they love to steal and use others to fund their wicked lifestyles, on the backs of their fellow brothers and sisters, that they hate. Since they hate their own brothers and sisters, how can they love God.

God does not tolerate sin, He burns sinners, they all will end up with their father the devil, whom they served while they were on earth, you see people choose the devil and his ways above God and His commandments, that is why they end up in hell for eternity with their father the devil, whom they chose to serve, using their God given freewill.

Those that belong to the devil, love his ways and follow them. Of course they say to themselves that it is all done out of love, but there are many kinds of love, there is love of the devil and there is love of God. There is love of Gods commandments, and there is disagreement or hatred of even just some of His commandments, but to the Lord they are all important. So unless you are following His commandments the way He tells us to in the Holy Bible we are not doing what the Lord tells us we must do to enter Heaven, with Him for eternity.




God can only save less than 35% of his creations.




God has no limitation, nothing is impossible for God, if He forces us to do anything, He would be just like all the pathetic humans running around today, trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives in sin. Making up endless satanic laws, but failing to follow Gods commandments, calling good, evil, and evil, good. Making the innocent guilty, while the satanic sinning lovers of the devil, haters of Gods commandments are paraded around on the devil propaganda machine, the tv.

Now all the sheeple that spend their days glued to the satanic propaganda machine tv, and love the devils ways, they love seeing all the abominations committed daily, and by their silence, are actually consenting, so they also fall with the devil. Because they conset, by keeping silent or just playing along. Or worse by somehow having their own snouts in the devils trough, feeding of his wicked thefts. Feeding of the harlots cup of abominations, sharing in the benefits. The Bible tells us who our enemies are, but the devil blinds us through our own sins.

If we as humans turned to God in truth, stopped sinning, stopped consenting to the devil and his followers, stop bowing down to the criminals. Cleansed ourselves through the Holy Sacraments given to us by Jesus, then we could call on the Lord and He would swiftly destroy all these evil satanic devil worshippers, haters of humanity and haters of God and of his Commanments, which He has given us to live by them, not to ignore them and die.

The situation we have today is just that, it explains why the world is headed for disaster very soon. The whole world is corrupted and nobody is doing anything about it, everyone is agreeing and the harlot of Babylon the queen of England and all her satanic offspring have with their father the devil through their cults, such as the freemasons and their fake whorehouses they call churches, blaspheming God, (know that the USA was founded by freemasons, they are a world wide cult of evil) and all these demonic clubs, set up an abominable corrupt wicked system that has everyone deceived, because everyone is only seeking to gain for themselves, they see fellow humans being crucified daily, by these satanic cults, taxcollectors/public servants, but they remain silent, and believe all the lies. That is why they will not see the truth, and will fall because deep down they are also evil, and are feeding of the same abominable cup.




It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you dont believe in the holy book, you will burn in hell for eternity. But he loves us all....


There are many ways to see good and bad, it does not matter what anyone says you just need to be good in Gods eyes, not in the devils eyes. Many people are good in the devils eyes but are completely against God, His Commandments, His Church, and many openly blaspheme the Holy Lord God Almighty, who is above everything and is worthy of all praise. The Lord is good He is not evil, He loves all His creation, but He hates sin and sinners are displeasing to Him.

That is why the devil, is here on earth. To do the job God has allowed him to do, his job is to tempt humans, usually by ways that are pleasing to us humans.
We can find out quite easily if we are serving God or the devil by just checking Gods Commandments, if for eg. you want to steal someones things, money, property, anything that belongs to your neighbour, without their conset, it is against Gods commandments, and you will probably end up in hell.
Another eg. The harlot, her offspring and the devils children are now being deceived and trying to push their propaganda upon their followers, they now say, (because they are foolish) that the earth is warming up and they need to steal peoples property, (except if it belongs to the harlot the queen or her wicked offspring followers) they also need to steal people money. If they steal everyones money and property, they may be able to reduce global warming by .000000000001 degree over the next 100 years.

Everyone should be up in arms that they are so blatantly stealing things, which God clearly said not to do, but because the satanic servants, or taxcollectors public servants, or even all those with their snouts in the devil trough don't want to upset the harlot or her followers, they blindly go along with the charade. Lest they loose any of their benefits. So a few weak satanic, evil, criminal, corrupt people, encouraged by the masses, can with the help of their father the devil, bring the Lords WRATH and utter destruction upon the whole face of earth, which is at the door (Gods wrath is being provoked daily).

God in His infinite wisdom, will sort the whole batch out, The goats from the sheep, the good fish from the bad fish, and the goats and all sinners, by their own choice can all go to hell with their father the devil, whom they served and loved his wicked ways, and actually rejoiced with him on earth, let them also burn in hell with him.

So because God is JUST, He cannot allow these crimes against humanity, to go unpunished, and even though these wicked lovers of the devil are exhalted today, they will very soon, see that they were extremely evil and wicked and they will understand that their spending an eternity in hell is well deserved, and they will then pay for all the crimes they are openly engaged in today, without any opposition from the masses, that agree and consent.

This applies to all sinners, adulterers, theives, haters of God, haters of Gods Commandments and haters of humanity, they don't have any love so they will die and suffer their own hatred will consume them in hell.

If you don't think God is fair it just means that you don't belong to God but belong to the devil, so will more than likely end up in hell with him and all sinners, and all the false prophets.




Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 33:11
Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die??

mom and grandmother were Non-denom ... they were deep into the church

The bible and concordance were my two books growing up and I was not allowed to ask questions unless I did my own looking up things.

also I had a few dictionaries and completes sets of encyclopedias. I grew up in Miami in the 80's and it was a pretty bad place then so I did a lot of reading

I THINK I'm good on the religion aspect... I know how to read into ROOT words... they don't ever tell you to look into those too tough right? You should start...

Genesis 1 and 2 in Hebrew ROOT words... LOT different story.

happy hunting

I don't get all this crap about Christians calling atheism a religion? First of all, it is not a religion. Atheism is simply people who do not believe in gods, of any kind. Christians are atheists as well because they don't believe in the God of the Islam people,etc. So atheists just believe in one less God than they do. If they insist on calling atheism a religion, then we should call them atheists.

I don't mind that they call atheism a religion but isn't this a bit of an insult to them. They all belong to religions of some kind, be that Brethren, Baptist, etc. So they think that it is such an insult to call atheism a religion but THEY belong to religions. So when they say this I guess it is a form of compliment to the athiest...we are just one of them???

And I don't get the free will argument. Christians are quick to tell you that GOd knows you in the womb. He knows the beginning and the end. So how could anyone possibly have free will? God determines everything about you; where you are born, if you will be male or female, if you will be intelligent or as dumb as dirt, etc. So free will is a lie.

If you read your Bible, which most Xians don't, you would see that GOD'S will is done in heaven and on earth. God created Jacob and Esau, for example. God HATED Esau before he was even born and before he had done a single thing. So this is evidence that people don't have free will. God knows you before you are born and he knows who he will send to hell at that time too.

And what about people who were born before Jesus came, which was supposed to be about two thousand years ago. All those people who believed in other Gods, which they did for thousands of years, are in hell, I guess. And Christians think that people in India, for instance, who are born as Hindus would go to hell because they are born in the wrong country. If you were born in India, you would be Hindu, not Christian.

Nothing in the Christian religion makes sense. These people think the Bible is literal but it has stories about talking donkeys and a man lived in a fish for three days and Samson caught 300 foxes with his bare hands, tied their tails together, put torches between each pair of tails, lit them on fire, and then let them go so that they would burn up some fields of his enemy. COME ON, you wonder why we get irritated with Christians. IF you want to believe absurdities like this, then you should EXPECT people to laugh at you and get angry at you. WHere is your brain?

"So he loves us unless we dont love him then he hates us and sends us to hell rather than appearing to us and showing us his beauty so that we are saved?"


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Satan is the master of half-truths.....and has introduced many such concepts into the schools, churches, etc.......things that sound nice on the surface.....but are not fully true.


There are no contradictions in Scripture......things fit together.

You have to make the following Scriptures fit together.....so that there is no contradiction. By doing this you will grasp the truth.


"For God so loved the world" (John 3:16)

"And God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. (Psalm 7: 11)

"The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You HATE all workers of iniquity. (Psalm 5: 5)

"The Lord ABHORS the bloodthirsty and deceitful man (Ps 5:5)

"The Lord tests the righteous, but the wicked and one who loves violence His soul HATES. (Ps 11: 5)

"Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY OF GOD. (James 4:4)


Conclusion: John 3:16 has been misunderstood by many.

God's love discussed there was for His creation in it's entirety......as a large, single unit.


As far as INDIVIDUALS within His creation.......those that are in rebellion against Him:

1. You are God's enemy.
2. God is angry with you every day.
3. God hates you and abhors you.


Nevertheless.....God sent His Holy Spirit to covict people. Christ continues to seek and save the lost....knocking on the door of people's hearts.


Those that turn their lives over to Christ are immediately indwelt by the Holy Spirit and connected to God. They are declared "not guilty" and clothed in the righteosness of Christ......and seen as white by the Father.


In a moment of time they go from being an enemy of God to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.

so NONE of you have taken the time to get a concordance and actually read verses based on root words?

I mean that would make LOGICAL sense right? Words do come from smaller ones, right?

I would like to ask the Christians here another question which I am going to assume that NONE of you will answer.

If you had a child that you loved every much, imagine that this child grew up and decided to reject you. You could never understand why because you had literally given everything to this child. But this child turned from you and didn't want to be in your life.

Now, imagine that you could somehow kidnap this child and lock him away in your basement. You knew you would never be caught. You loved your child and you wanted to have a relationship with him. So you locked him up and you tried really hard to get along with him.

Imagine that he was very angry at you for locking him up. So he cussed at you and he hated you more than before. So then you decide that you will starve him. Maybe if he was really hungry, he would love you. It didn't work, so then you tried to beat him with some boards, but that didn't work either. You tried to burn him, stab him, kick him in the chins, and nothing worked. He hated you more and more.

Now imagine you could go on doing this for the rest of this kid's life. No one would ever catch you so you could do as you pleased. So you decided to just torture and torment your son for the rest of his life. He never did love you or appreciate you but this act gave YOU pleasure.

Now, remembering that this is your beloved child, what would a normal person think of someone who did this? That is the question I would like you to answer. Would you think this person was justified to do what they did?

Now compare this to God. God wants us to love him. Some of us who have never felt or seen God can't imagine a God up there somewhere when we see little children who are raped and murdered and this God is somewhere up there watching apparently. God does nothing to end our suffering down here and often innocent people suffer the most. But this God (assuming the Xian God is the correct one) wants us to love him.

So instead of just showing himself to all of us unbelievers, he decides he will wait until we are face to face with him, and then he will throw us in flames forever and ever. Does this honestly sound OK with you? If it does, may I suggest you have your heart checked...not that there would actually be a heart there. You are a cold and evil human being if you think that this is the character of God. And, unfortunately, this is the God most of you love. If not, fill me in on your version of God.

Any comments???

you gotta give me 10% up front before I can answer, that's kind of how it works.

THAT is also something they will not address

I think you hit the nail right on the head. I have often thought the same thing. I'm still trying to work out this hell thing. If I'm going to hell because I don't accept what some men wrote in a storybook, will this hell be the same one that say Hitler goes to, or are there different level of this hell. Will I be tortured for eternity with the fire from 1 match as opposed to what Hitler would suffer from...maybe a lake of fire?

Also this sin that we are all born with.....why? Why do religions teach that we are born in the hole and have to do this or that to crawl out of the hole to be on the plus side. For a god who is just and kind and loving, why do we get stuck with someone else's sin? Do we ever get stuck with any good stuff, seems it's only bad stuff.

Please do not give me crap just because I'm still trying to sort this all out.

You could actually give them 100 percent and they wouldn't answer. You know why? Because they know that what they believe makes no sense. They know that the Christian God is irrational and makes the sins of people look mild. They tell you God loves you, God is love, blah, blah, blah. And then when you look at the atrocities committed by this God in the Bible, and you look at hell, which is eternal damnation created by this God, there is no way a rational person can love something like that.

So they get angry at you because you ask them pointed questions that they can't answer. And you are the bad guy because you ask questions.

exactly... I don't do well in setting where I cannot have interaction. It's kind of just disrespect to me honestly.

remember THERE IS ALWAYS A HIGHER AUTHORITY..

So can any Christian answer my question in my post above?

"You could actually give them 100 percent and they wouldn't answer. You know why? Because they know that what they believe makes no sense. They know that the Christian God is irrational and makes the sins of people look mild. They tell you God loves you, God is love, blah, blah, blah. And then when you look at the atrocities committed by this God in the Bible, and you look at hell, which is eternal damnation created by this God, there is no way a rational person can love something like that.

So they get angry at you because you ask them pointed questions that they can't answer. And you are the bad guy because you ask questions."

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814: "They tell you God loves you...."


God had a love for His Creation.....in it's entirety.....as a large single unit......and thus humbled Himself and went to the cross......several thousand years ago.

That was His great love gift.


As far as Individual sinners in rebellion against Him:


1. You are His enemy.
2. God is angry with you every day.
3. God hates you and abhors you.

Psalms 5,7, and ll


Nevertheless......the Spirit will continue to convict you......and Christ will continue to knock on the doors of people's hearts.


Those that give their lives to Christ will immediately be justified.....declared not guilty.....and clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

In an instant.....they will go from being an enemy of God to being a child of God.....and co-heir with Christ.


Do not believe the false doctrine that God loves everyone. Out of compassion, He will try to bring you to your senses...even His enemies....and has offered a free gift.....but will not force people to accept it.


Most people rejected Christ.....even when He walked this earth.


What king in His right mind would allow his enemies and those in rebellion against him into his castle???

God knows everyone before they are born. Remember that story about Esau whom God hated in the womb. So your argument for free will falls apart at that point. If God hated Esau BEFORE he sinned, then God purposely has people who are born to be sent to hell when they die. IS this a God of love? Answer that question, please.

You mention that God hated everyone he created, so he decided to kill them all, except for Noah. He killed innocent babies at that time, drowned them, along with all the animals and young kids who had done no wrong. Is this a God of love? Please answer this question.

Now, you erroniously say that God would not do all those bad things that I mentioned in my story, BUT....the God you worship created HELL. God created hell, not Satan. Satan will be an occupant of this hell that God created and it is there waiting for him. So God could choose another method of punishment, for instance, he could change a person's heart or he could annihilate that person so they would not be in pain forever. But God decides to create a hell to punish people in pain forever for no other purpose than his own pleasure. IS THIS A GOD OF LOVE? Please answer this question.

If a person is born in India, for example, and taught that the Hindu religion is the only way to God, would God be fair to burn that person in fire forever when they innocently didn't believe that Jesus was God? God apparently sends every person who does not believe in Jesus to hell? IS THIS A GOD OF LOVE? Can you please answer this question.

Look, if you want to believe in a God who torments and tortures people forever, then so be it. You must only love him out of fear, which is very understandable. I mean, how do you ever trust this God? Is your GOD A GOD OF LOVE or is he a brutal, cruel monster? Please answer my questions. Thank you.

P.S. HE had his own son murdered when he could have just as easily just forgiven everyone himself. God needed to have a blood sacrifice so he decided to have his own son tortured. Your God really sucks.

What did he say that's not true?

Oh, believe me, I would never make the mistake that God loves everyone. I am of the opinion that God hates pretty much everything he creates. I think he is a monster of epic proportions and you will too, especially when you stand before him and he calls you a Pharisee, son of Satan. YOu see the sins of everyone else, but fail to see that big log in your own eye. You look good on the outside, but the inside is full of pride, and arrogance.

You THINK God loves you, but I will bet he doesn't. You know that MANY people will stand before Jesus and he will say, "Get away from me, evil doers." Who do you think THOSE people will be? Unfortunately, they will be people like you. They will be people who did miracles using the name of JEsus and they spoke prophecy in the name of Jesus and healed people.

So what makes you think God loves YOU? Why are you so special? Do you honestly think that some simple belief will get you to heaven? Boy, are you wrong!! YOu have to be perfect. Jesus said, "Be perfect, as my father in heaven is perfect." You aren't perfect because you don't love anyone but yourself. You obviously don't care that the majority of the people will go to hell. YOu are a selfish, vile human being. If you judge others as worthy of hell, you will go there. Don't get mad at me for these words. JESUS said it. Have fun in hell.

"God knows everyone before they are born. Remember that story about Esau whom God hated in the womb. So your argument for free will falls apart at that point. If God hated Esau BEFORE he sinned, then God purposely has people who are born to be sent to hell when they die. IS this a God of love? Answer that question, please."


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814: Because you wrote quite a bit......I just selected this first section for now.


Can you give me the verse about Esau? Thanks


The gospel will be preached to all.....including Esau. He will have the choice to accept the free gift or reject it.


No one is pre-destined for hell.


".....but God is long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."


2 Peter 3: 9

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Sorry, can't give you the quote. I long ago ripped the Bible up when I needed toilet paper and couldn't get to the store. But the verse is the one about Jacob and Esau. God loved Jacob and hated Esau, even before he was born, even before he sinned. Just look in the back of your book and look up the name Esau, and it will tell you where to find it. Or else go use it as toilet paper, at least it will be a bit more useful that way.

By the way, people are predestined to hell. God knows everyone in the womb. You just HAVE to know that verse if you are a Christian. Have you ever read the book? So if God knows you before you are born, then he knows what choice you will make. He did give people the personality and intelligence that they will have? So he knows. He really does.

"You obviously don't care that the majority of the people will go to hell."

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This is actually a very grievous thing.....both to God.....as well as any child of God.


"God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked."



Most unbelievers actually do not believe in hell. And because they are not struck down by lightning....or swallowed up by the earth.....when talking against God.....then they assume it is all just a fairy tale.


I know because I was an unbeliever for many years.


However if God Himself showed up at your home.....and showed you Himself that you would be subject to His wrath.....such as that found in Revelations.......I guarantee that you would have no more words of rebellion......but that you would be on your knees in repentance before Him.....your Creator.

durrrr you send yourself to hell.... pretty self explainatory