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Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?

 
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Well I am trying to make sense out of the following . . . this leads one to believe Flight 77's flight recorder was not accurate or was not in the THING that hit the Pentagon . . . coffee4



"Flight Data Recorder Analysis - Last Second of Data - 09:37:44
08/20/06 We have determined based on the Flight Data Recorder information that has been analyzed thus far provided by the NTSB, that it is impossible for this aircraft to have struck down the light poles. We have ananimation of the entire flight provided by the NTSB. The animation covers the whole flight from taxi out at Dulles... to the impact at the Pentagon in realtime. This altitude has been determined to reflect Pressure altitude as set by 29.92 in Hg on the Altimeter. The actual local pressure for DCA at impact time was 30.22 inHg. The error for this discrepancy is 300 feet. Meaning, the actual aircraft altitude was 300 feet higher than indicated at that moment in time. Which means aircraft altitude was 480 feet above sea level (MSL, 75 foot margin for error according to Federal Aviation Regulations). You can clearly see the highway in the below screenshot directly under the aircraft. The elevation for that highway is ~40 feet above sea level according to the US Geological Survey. The light poles would have had to been 440 feet tall (+/- 75 feet) for this aircraft to bring them down. Which you can clearly see in the below picture, the aircraft is too high, even for the official released video of the 5 frames where you see something cross the Pentagon Lawn at level attitude. The 5 frames of video captured by the parking gate cam is in direct conflict with the Aircraft Flight Data Recorder information released by the NTSB. More information will be forth coming as we come to our conclusions on each issue. We have contacted the NTSB regarding the conflict between the official story and the
FDR. They refuse to comment. For further details, please see our Technical Paper here and Press Release here outlining our findings. For
detailed presentation and analysis, please see Pandora's Black Box - ChapterTwo - Flight Of American 77." [link to pilotsfor911truth.org]


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Here is a counter analysis of the above it is 16 plus pages . . .

Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon

Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011

"Summary and Conclusion

In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the
pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports."
[link to www.journalof911studies.com]
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Absolute horseshit. Pure and simple.
 Quoting: BS Smeller

Which part? Seems like both sides have some interesting positions. . . Highly technical . . . coffee4
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Well I am trying to make sense out of the following . . . this leads one to believe Flight 77's flight recorder was not accurate or was not in the THING that hit the Pentagon . . . coffee4



"Flight Data Recorder Analysis - Last Second of Data - 09:37:44
08/20/06 We have determined based on the Flight Data Recorder information that has been analyzed thus far provided by the NTSB, that it is impossible for this aircraft to have struck down the light poles. We have ananimation of the entire flight provided by the NTSB. The animation covers the whole flight from taxi out at Dulles... to the impact at the Pentagon in realtime. This altitude has been determined to reflect Pressure altitude as set by 29.92 in Hg on the Altimeter. The actual local pressure for DCA at impact time was 30.22 inHg. The error for this discrepancy is 300 feet. Meaning, the actual aircraft altitude was 300 feet higher than indicated at that moment in time. Which means aircraft altitude was 480 feet above sea level (MSL, 75 foot margin for error according to Federal Aviation Regulations). You can clearly see the highway in the below screenshot directly under the aircraft. The elevation for that highway is ~40 feet above sea level according to the US Geological Survey. The light poles would have had to been 440 feet tall (+/- 75 feet) for this aircraft to bring them down. Which you can clearly see in the below picture, the aircraft is too high, even for the official released video of the 5 frames where you see something cross the Pentagon Lawn at level attitude. The 5 frames of video captured by the parking gate cam is in direct conflict with the Aircraft Flight Data Recorder information released by the NTSB. More information will be forth coming as we come to our conclusions on each issue. We have contacted the NTSB regarding the conflict between the official story and the
FDR. They refuse to comment. For further details, please see our Technical Paper here and Press Release here outlining our findings. For
detailed presentation and analysis, please see Pandora's Black Box - ChapterTwo - Flight Of American 77." [link to pilotsfor911truth.org]


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 Quoting: George B


Here is a counter analysis of the above it is 16 plus pages . . .

Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon

Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, ( B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011

"Summary and Conclusion

In response to FOIA requests the NTSB provided a CSV file and a coded FDR file. All contradictions between the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and these files appear to be traceable to missing data. In the case of the CSV file the data stopped about four seconds short of the impact. In the case of the FDR file the final frame was not initially decoded. Some researchers recognized that data was missing, while others claimed that the files proved the official account was false, as it appeared the flight terminated at a point too high to have created the observed damage trail on the ground.
Previous analyses were further confounded by uncertainty of the position of the last data point; failure to consider possible calibration errors in the
pressure altimeter data, caused by high speed and low altitude; and false information in the NTSB flight animation.
The recent complete decoding of the FDR file has enlarged and clarified the information available and has thereby enabled resolution of the contradictions. It is clear that this file supports the official account of the course of flight AA 77 and the consequent impact with the Pentagon. The file thus also supports the majority of eyewitness reports."
[link to www.journalof911studies.com]
 Quoting: George B


Absolute horseshit. Pure and simple.
 Quoting: BS Smeller

Which part? Seems like both sides have some interesting positions. . . Highly technical . . . coffee4
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What do you think George B? What really happen?
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Here is a comment from the person who did the NTSB analysis . . . I think it lays out an interesting question . . .


"My conclusion is, the manever looks possible, for guys like me and you. But for Hani? unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..."
[link to pilotsfor911truth.org]

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Here is a comment from the person who did the NTSB analysis . . . I think it lays out an interesting question . . .


"My conclusion is, the manever looks possible, for guys like me and you. But for Hani? unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..."
[link to pilotsfor911truth.org]
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You just answered your own question. Now do you know which part I was referring to as horseshit?
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Damn Jihads!
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Here is a comment from the person who did the NTSB analysis . . . I think it lays out an interesting question . . .


"My conclusion is, the manever looks possible, for guys like me and you. But for Hani? unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..."
[link to pilotsfor911truth.org]
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So you don't believe that it was possible?
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What do you think George B? What really happen?
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Hmmmmmm . . . that is the real question is it not . . .

The easy answer is the official story. . . . But I just don't feel it fits real probabilities . . .

The following are things that bother me. . . . . .

1) the differences between the NTSB and the NIST report on the Pentagon flight . . . its altitude, vector, the difficult speed and maneuver prior to collision
2) the ability of inexperienced pilots to hit 3 for 3 buildings . . .
3) the lack of video evidence at the Pentagon seems very unusual
4) the just -in - time insurance policy that paid double payment for a terrorist act
5) the lack of military response
6) the use of this event to take strategic and political actions which were IMO inappropriate or far beyond those necessary as in the attack of Iraq, Patriot Act, Homeland Security and on and on . . .
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What do you think George B? What really happen?
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Hmmmmmm . . . that is the real question is it not . . .

The easy answer is the official story. . . . But I just don't feel it fits real probabilities . . .

The following are things that bother me. . . . . .

1) the differences between the NTSB and the NIST report on the Pentagon flight . . . its altitude, vector, the difficult speed and maneuver prior to collision
2) the ability of inexperienced pilots to hit 3 for 3 buildings . . .
3) the lack of video evidence at the Pentagon seems very unusual
4) the just -in - time insurance policy that paid double payment for a terrorist act
5) the lack of military response
6) the use of this event to take strategic and political actions which were IMO inappropriate or far beyond those necessary as in the attack of Iraq, Patriot Act, Homeland Security and on and on . . .
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Who gets the insurance money? The goverment?
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What do you think George B? What really happen?
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Hmmmmmm . . . that is the real question is it not . . .

The easy answer is the official story. . . . But I just don't feel it fits real probabilities . . .

The following are things that bother me. . . . . .

1) the differences between the NTSB and the NIST report on the Pentagon flight . . . its altitude, vector, the difficult speed and maneuver prior to collision
2) the ability of inexperienced pilots to hit 3 for 3 buildings . . .
3) the lack of video evidence at the Pentagon seems very unusual
4) the just -in - time insurance policy that paid double payment for a terrorist act
5) the lack of military response
6) the use of this event to take strategic and political actions which were IMO inappropriate or far beyond those necessary as in the attack of Iraq, Patriot Act, Homeland Security and on and on . . .
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Who gets the insurance money? The goverment?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Silverstein Makes a Huge
Profit off of the 9/11 Attacks

Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will
seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."

"Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance
coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself."

A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports. [Forbes.com 12/06/04]


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Huge surges in purchases of put options on stocks of the two airlines used in the attack -- United Airlines and American Airlines
Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of reinsurance companies expected to pay out billions to cover losses from the attack -- Munich Re and the AXA Group
Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of financial services companies hurt by the attack -- Merrill Lynch & Co., and Morgan Stanley and Bank of America
Huge surge in purchases of call options of stock of a weapons manufacturer expected to gain from the attack -- Raytheon
Huge surges in purchases of 5-Year US Treasury Notes

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
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Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. 1 2

Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 3 4 Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 5

Estimates of the sums of money missing vary wildly. A 2003 report put the amount missing at "more than a trillion dollars." 6
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Huge surges in purchases of put options on stocks of the two airlines used in the attack -- United Airlines and American Airlines
Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of reinsurance companies expected to pay out billions to cover losses from the attack -- Munich Re and the AXA Group
Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of financial services companies hurt by the attack -- Merrill Lynch & Co., and Morgan Stanley and Bank of America
Huge surge in purchases of call options of stock of a weapons manufacturer expected to gain from the attack -- Raytheon
Huge surges in purchases of 5-Year US Treasury Notes

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
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Smells does it not????rex


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Here is another one... If this is genuine, it would leave no doubt that it was demolished. (after the BBC broadcast), It is supposed to be a video found on an old camera.

I don't think it is real because if it were the person releasing it would be dead and it would already be off YouTube. . . .

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



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Here is another one... If this is genuine, it would leave no doubt that it was demolished. (after the BBC broadcast), It is supposed to be a video found on an old camera.

I don't think it is real because if it were the person releasing it would be dead and it would already be off YouTube. . . .

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



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Who knows. But the BBC report is very telling, is it not?
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Here is another one... If this is genuine, it would leave no doubt that it was demolished. (after the BBC broadcast), It is supposed to be a video found on an old camera.

I don't think it is real because if it were the person releasing it would be dead and it would already be off YouTube. . . .

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



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Who knows. But the BBC report is very telling, is it not?
 Quoting: BS Smeller


Yes, BBC, CNN and a few others all reported #7 collapsing well before it did. . . just another one of those things that smell. . . .huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Here is another one... If this is genuine, it would leave no doubt that it was demolished. (after the BBC broadcast), It is supposed to be a video found on an old camera.

I don't think it is real because if it were the person releasing it would be dead and it would already be off YouTube. . . .

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



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Who knows. But the BBC report is very telling, is it not?
 Quoting: BS Smeller


Yes, BBC, CNN and a few others all reported #7 collapsing well before it did. . . just another one of those things that smell. . . .huffy
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Yea, the whole damn thing smells. In fact, it reeks. But I seriously doubt any truth will ever emerge. It's been so long now, and so much obfuscation has occured, that unless an unequivocally verifiable video surfaces of a 'behind the curtain' meeting showing the true deception, we're left with pure speculation. It upsets me at times, but hey, much worse has happened in history, so I don't lose much sleep over it.
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Some more to think about. . . .

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Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.



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" They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..."
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No, that's not it at all. TPTB know everyone is aware that many security camera tapes from the building and surrounding buildings (facing Pentagon) were confiscated moments after the event. They released a 3-4 frame footage of a white streak of smoke and then an explosion, none of which actually show a plane. But "it was" a plane.

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" They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..."
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No, that's not it at all. TPTB know everyone is aware that many security camera tapes from the building and surrounding buildings (facing Pentagon) were confiscated moments after the event. They released a 3-4 frame footage of a white streak of smoke and then an explosion, none of which actually show a plane. But "it was" a plane.
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Oh, but what KIND of plane?
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Here is another one... If this is genuine, it would leave no doubt that it was demolished. (after the BBC broadcast), It is supposed to be a video found on an old camera.

I don't think it is real because if it were the person releasing it would be dead and it would already be off YouTube. . . .

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]



 Quoting: George B


Who knows. But the BBC report is very telling, is it not?
 Quoting: BS Smeller


Yes, BBC, CNN and a few others all reported #7 collapsing well before it did. . . just another one of those things that smell. . . .huffy
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Yea, the whole damn thing smells. In fact, it reeks. But I seriously doubt any truth will ever emerge. It's been so long now, and so much obfuscation has occured, that unless an unequivocally verifiable video surfaces of a 'behind the curtain' meeting showing the true deception, we're left with pure speculation. It upsets me at times, but hey, much worse has happened in history, so I don't lose much sleep over it.
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That is the truth . . . no matter what your intuition tells you . . . you eventually give up, go on and wait for the next shoe to drop. . .
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Thanks for your participation . . . moshpit


POLL: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the sp
7) No 26.6% (70)
6) Probably not, it would be very hard to do 13.7% (36)
1) Yes 10.6% (28)
8) No, the plane would be impossible to control at that speed 10.6% (28)
2) Yes, it would be fairly straightforward 9.9% (26)
11) I don't know 9.9% (26)
9) No, the plane would have fallen apart at that speed 5.3% (14)
10) No, the plane could never even reach that speed. 4.9% (13)
4) Yes, but it would have been very difficult 4.2% (11)
3) Yes, but it would have needed a lot of concentration 2.7% (7)
5) Probably, but they were pretty lucky 1.5% (4)
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Pilots with the "skill level" of the alleged 9/11 hijackers couldn't even have turned that plane around to head back to towards the east without stalling it.

Let alone find Washington DC, and then performing a high speed diving turn that would have torn the aircraft apart.
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That is what even some pilots believe . . .
 Quoting: George B


Atta, who piloted Flight 11, and Shehhi, who piloted Flight 175, had commercial pilot licenses. Why do some people believe they only flew Cessnas for a few hours?

Last Edited by nutmeg on 02/27/2013 11:24 AM
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Pilots with the "skill level" of the alleged 9/11 hijackers couldn't even have turned that plane around to head back to towards the east without stalling it.

Let alone find Washington DC, and then performing a high speed diving turn that would have torn the aircraft apart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


That is what even some pilots believe . . .
 Quoting: George B


Atta, who piloted Flight 11, and Shehhi, who piloted Flight 175, had commercial pilot licenses. Why do some people believe they only flew Cessnas for a few hours?
 Quoting: nutmeg


Would you say all pilots with commercial licenses could have done what the hijackers were able to have done . . . remember they had zero time in anything the size and power of a 757/767 . . . peace
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Pilots with the "skill level" of the alleged 9/11 hijackers couldn't even have turned that plane around to head back to towards the east without stalling it.

Let alone find Washington DC, and then performing a high speed diving turn that would have torn the aircraft apart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


That is what even some pilots believe . . .
 Quoting: George B


Atta, who piloted Flight 11, and Shehhi, who piloted Flight 175, had commercial pilot licenses. Why do some people believe they only flew Cessnas for a few hours?
 Quoting: nutmeg


Would you say all pilots with commercial licenses could have done what the hijackers were able to have done . . . remember they had zero time in anything the size and power of a 757/767 . . . peace
 Quoting: George B


yes
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
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That is what even some pilots believe . . .
 Quoting: George B


Atta, who piloted Flight 11, and Shehhi, who piloted Flight 175, had commercial pilot licenses. Why do some people believe they only flew Cessnas for a few hours?
 Quoting: nutmeg


Would you say all pilots with commercial licenses could have done what the hijackers were able to have done . . . remember they had zero time in anything the size and power of a 757/767 . . . peace
 Quoting: George B


yes
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Three for Three? verycool
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Damn Jihads!
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just keep fishing putin
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Damn Jihads!
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


just keep fishing putin
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That is what we do here . . . ask questions and research to see if we can make any sense out of the whole thing . . . ohyeah

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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Re: Could pilots with a commercial licencse have hit the the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with a 767 or 757 at the speeds observed on 9/11?
Pilots with the "skill level" of the alleged 9/11 hijackers couldn't even have turned that plane around to head back to towards the east without stalling it.

Let alone find Washington DC, and then performing a high speed diving turn that would have torn the aircraft apart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


That is what even some pilots believe . . .
 Quoting: George B


Atta, who piloted Flight 11, and Shehhi, who piloted Flight 175, had commercial pilot licenses. Why do some people believe they only flew Cessnas for a few hours?
 Quoting: nutmeg


A 'commercial license' doesn't necessarily equate to experience in type. You can have a single engine commercial license only flying light aircraft.
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