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Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??

 
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which begs the further question,

if the theory of evolution is a lie, why would an omnipotent god need creationists to help him debunk it?
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The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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No, I still think that the burden of proof is on those who claim magic sky wizards.
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The 'sky wizards' are not in public science books as fact, the primordial soup and big bang are though. Thats your magic.
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Luckily big bang and primordial soup are part of the sciences. But there are those who are wanting sky wizards to be taught along side science. I can only assume that they also want astrology to be taught along side astronomy.
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The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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No, I still think that the burden of proof is on those who claim magic sky wizards.
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The 'sky wizards' are not in public science books as fact, the primordial soup and big bang are though. Thats your magic.
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Luckily big bang and primordial soup are part of the sciences. But there are those who are wanting sky wizards to be taught along side science. I can only assume that they also want astrology to be taught along side astronomy.
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What observations were those two ideas based on? Take your time with that one.
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if god is omnipotent, why would he need to use a rib, or stem cells.
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which begs the further question,

if the theory of evolution is a lie, why would an omnipotent god need creationists to help him debunk it?
 Quoting: david 33758960


The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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No, I still think that the burden of proof is on those who claim magic sky wizards.
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cruise
Good tactic.
Deflect and deride.



NEVER answer the damn question.
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which begs the further question,

if the theory of evolution is a lie, why would an omnipotent god need creationists to help him debunk it?
 Quoting: david 33758960


The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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No, I still think that the burden of proof is on those who claim magic sky wizards.
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cruise
Good tactic.
Deflect and deride.



NEVER answer the damn question.
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Not my fault sky wizards are so easy to deride.
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Re: Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??
They're in science books as facts, yet the religitards have scared most educators into not reaching it. Yeah, the best idea we have of how we got here and what we are, children won't be able to learn, because of stale traditions, and an ideology that needs to die, and will. You want proof? Look to history. All religions die a slow embarrassing death.
Maybe then, a young student who might be inclined towards evolutionary biology will have the ammunition he needs to make break throughs when he is an adult.
So just stop with your agenda, if you somehow could find a shred of evidence supporting intelligent design, I would be more than happy to teach that as an alternative to darwinism, but you can't. Your logic remains that whatever is scripture is literal truth, but not all scripture.. just the scripture that rings true to you. How hypocritical! Another failed logic. If you believe in the bible you have an obligation to consider the Torah, to consider holy books of all religions, both death and alive. For that matter, if scripture is all the proof you need of something true, wouldn't it make more sense to look to the holy books that predafe the singular one you hold so high?
It's ridiculous how ignorant some people can be.
Here's a little life advice: don't believe the first thing you hear that offers an explanation. Keep looking. Believe in the scientific method, not the 'its in a book, therefore true", method..
And with that, we separate ourselves between those that need facts, and those that only need faith. Do you have faith that Jesus will return? So have many others, as we watch them fail in their predictions time after time. When is faith not going to be enough anymore? You consciously chose now to group yourselves with the most ignorant amongst us. It's not a fear thing, it's a fact thing, and it is a war you are losing. Quite embarrassing..
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Yea!!! Who would believe that there is stuff and junk and things in a rib that you could clone with!!!!!
As if!!
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It takes far less then a rib nowdays.

A string of hair, for instance.

But rib would do the job also.
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As usual, the Bible proves to be superior to modern science.

Bones are a good source of stem cells, and the rib is the only bone in the body you can remove without hindering any functionality of humans.
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if god is omnipotent, why would he need to use a rib, or stem cells.
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being omnipotent means he can pretty much use whatever he wants to
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

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But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.

According to Darwin's theory there should be more transitional forms than distinct types. There should be living transitional forms as well. Just the opposite is the case. He admitted that the absence of transitional forms in the fossils would disprove his theory.

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Still not as hilarious as a bitch being made out of a rib bone.
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Because she wasn't, can thank poor translations and primitive minds for it being very misunderstood today. Because of lack of understanding of the creation of Eve(radhiallahu 'anha) from Adam(alayhi sallam) was explained by the rib story which is entirely the error of men not God. This was done most likely because it makes it seem as man is superior to women when it really means they were created of the same species and because of this are equal entities.

Again they try to exert superior knowledge of men over women by trying to say that Eve tempted Adam otherwise he would not have eaten of the tree of knowledge when it was really both of them who ate of them disobeyed God on their own.
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It takes far less then a rib nowdays.

A string of hair, for instance.

But rib would do the job also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34525411


As usual, the Bible proves to be superior to modern science.

Bones are a good source of stem cells, and the rib is the only bone in the body you can remove without hindering any functionality of humans.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26050784


if god is omnipotent, why would he need to use a rib, or stem cells.
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being omnipotent means he can pretty much use whatever he wants to
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

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But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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Does your "objective observant" theory involve magic sky wizards?
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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yes, like the scripture that says of God:

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"- Romans 1:20
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Re: Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??
Just study the biochemistry of blood clotting, eyesight, the immune system, or the wound healing system, not to mention the most complex system of them all: the reproductive system.

These outrageously complex systems could never have evolved by blind dumb chance, regardless of how much time you throw at it. Too many moving parts. Intelligence had to be involved in their design and execution.

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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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Does your "objective observant" theory involve magic sky wizards?
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The bigger fairy tale is believing that the indescribable complexity of the human body somehow formed itself without an intelligent guiding force. Not to mention that matter and life somehow *poofed* itself out of nothingness. Good luk with all this...
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As usual, the Bible proves to be superior to modern science.

Bones are a good source of stem cells, and the rib is the only bone in the body you can remove without hindering any functionality of humans.
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if god is omnipotent, why would he need to use a rib, or stem cells.
 Quoting: david 33758960


which begs the further question,

if the theory of evolution is a lie, why would an omnipotent god need creationists to help him debunk it?
 Quoting: david 33758960


The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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here are my personal observations as a botanist and a lifetime of commercial greenhouse operation.

there are intergeneric crosses in the plant word . these are rare but do exist. given billions of years, certainly these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in new species. yes, new species.

i have battled insects, that in a few short generations, become oblivious to the most toxic of sprays, and some (thrips) develop tendencies to move their young to places of safety until those sprays have dried.

and the ubiquitous apple tree, denied the natural defense of evolution,
cloned,(grafted) exactly the same genetic makeup, year on year generation upon generation. meanwhile the insects and disease pathogens who prey upon it, evolve yes i said evolve to thwart ever increasing applications of ever more toxic chemicals and expensive cultural practices.

the commercial varieties of apple tree is now the most sprayed economic crop in the world. these trees are helplessly dependent on the orchardist.

undeniable proof of evolution? certainly not. but to see these things in their progress is definitely an indication that an animal could,over generations develop a longer and longer neck to access hard to reach edible foliage.

of course, i can see why i should discard this experience in the face of your gut feelings and one chapter of a book you read.
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But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34515132


Does your "objective observant" theory involve magic sky wizards?
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The bigger fairy tale is believing that the indescribable complexity of the human body somehow formed itself without an intelligent guiding force. Not to mention that matter and life somehow *poofed* itself out of nothingness. Good luk with all this...
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No, I still think that sky wizards beat that.
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Just study the biochemistry of blood clotting, eyesight, the immune system, or the wound healing system. These outrageously complex systems could never have evolved by blind dumb chance, regardless of how much time you throw at it. Too many moving parts. Intelligence had to be involved in their design and execution.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Shh... no need to destroy the illusions of their childhood, they'll figure it out when they grow up, lol.
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Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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Does your "objective observant" theory involve magic sky wizards?
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The bigger fairy tale is believing that the indescribable complexity of the human body somehow formed itself without an intelligent guiding force. Not to mention that matter and life somehow *poofed* itself out of nothingness. Good luk with all this...
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No, I still think that sky wizards beat that.
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You're either a troll or a fool, prob both.
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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yes, like the scripture that says of God:

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"- Romans 1:20
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Yup...
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Does your "objective observant" theory involve magic sky wizards?
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The bigger fairy tale is believing that the indescribable complexity of the human body somehow formed itself without an intelligent guiding force. Not to mention that matter and life somehow *poofed* itself out of nothingness. Good luk with all this...
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No, I still think that sky wizards beat that.
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You're either a troll or a fool, prob both.
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Just a believer in Occam's Razor. And there is no way in hell I can possibly swallow sky wizards, women made out of bones, talking snakes, or any of the other BS that ranks right up there with Odin and frost giants.
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Re: Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??
Just study the biochemistry of blood clotting, eyesight, the immune system, or the wound healing system. These outrageously complex systems could never have evolved by blind dumb chance, regardless of how much time you throw at it. Too many moving parts. Intelligence had to be involved in their design and execution.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Shh... no need to destroy the illusions of their childhood, they'll figure it out when they grow up, lol.
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Unfortunately, it's not that easy for most people to escape their lifelong programming in the mass delusion called evolution.
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evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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yes, like the scripture that says of God:

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"- Romans 1:20
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


And 'invisible qualities' do not author books so you can surmise where the alleged passages attributed to 'God' really originated from.

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if god is omnipotent, why would he need to use a rib, or stem cells.
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which begs the further question,

if the theory of evolution is a lie, why would an omnipotent god need creationists to help him debunk it?
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The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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here are my personal observations as a botanist and a lifetime of commercial greenhouse operation.

there are intergeneric crosses in the plant word . these are rare but do exist. given billions of years, certainly these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in new species. yes, new species.

i have battled insects, that in a few short generations, become oblivious to the most toxic of sprays, and some (thrips) develop tendencies to move their young to places of safety until those sprays have dried.

and the ubiquitous apple tree, denied the natural defense of evolution,
cloned,(grafted) exactly the same genetic makeup, year on year generation upon generation. meanwhile the insects and disease pathogens who prey upon it, evolve yes i said evolve to thwart ever increasing applications of ever more toxic chemicals and expensive cultural practices.

the commercial varieties of apple tree is now the most sprayed economic crop in the world. these trees are helplessly dependent on the orchardist.

undeniable proof of evolution? certainly not. but to see these things in their progress is definitely an indication that an animal could,over generations develop a longer and longer neck to access hard to reach edible foliage.

of course, i can see why i should discard this experience in the face of your gut feelings and one chapter of a book you read.
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You are describing adapatation, or micro-evolution within a species, this is a fact which no one is debating. And your personal feelings are irrelevant.
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Evolution has evidence, Christianity has 0 evidence
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you simply can't fathom or don't want to believe the evidence that is presented...you don't want to believe in near death experience, ghosts, paranormal, heaven/hell, etc. and with our current technology there is no way to test these things...can you prove that these things do not exist? you have made up your mind so you manipulate the information to conform to your set of beliefs, just like a christian. there is also evidence against the current theory of evolution, but i am sure you would not take that into consideration. believe what you want, but saying that something is not true because of a lack of evidence is like saying that you could even comprehend the evidence if it slapped you in the face. do you think that you or any other human can comprehend all of the mysteries of the universe? i doubt we have scratched the surface of what our universe is capable of and you want to write off something because you can't fathom the evidence present. you should really do some thinking before you write things AUShole.
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you simply can't fathom or don't want to believe the evidence that is presented...you don't want to believe in near death experience, ghosts, paranormal, heaven/hell, etc. and with our current technology there is no way to test these things...can you prove that these things do not exist? you have made up your mind so you manipulate the information to conform to your set of beliefs, just like a christian. there is also evidence against the current theory of evolution, but i am sure you would not take that into consideration. believe what you want, but saying that something is not true because of a lack of evidence is like saying that you could even comprehend the evidence if it slapped you in the face. do you think that you or any other human can comprehend all of the mysteries of the universe? i doubt we have scratched the surface of what our universe is capable of and you want to write off something because you can't fathom the evidence present. you should really do some thinking before you write things AUShole.
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Ghosts and paranormal are evidence now? Yeah there are a few quacks out there with thermal cameras and EMF detectors, but by and large they are considered jokes among the scientific community. And their findings are rarely repeatable under laboratory circumstances.
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But the moths will never be anything but moths. It's just semantics. You can call them another species and claim a hollow victory for evolution, but they are still moths. Same with birds. It is just genetic variation, combining the genes that are already in the gene pool. No new genes or organs or functions or abilities.

Darwin observed this type of genetic "evolution" but incorrectly made the leap that one type could evolve into another. That a lizard could become a bird, or a snake could become a lizard, or a fish could become a frog. That type of evolution has never been observed. The fossils don't even support it. The fossils show distinct types, no transitional forms.
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Exactly, and this is the kind of evidence that evo's claim makes their absurd faith a fact. And than they put up chidish posts like the fellow right above here complaining that we are not allowong evolution to be taught as a fact in schools. Yea, better, to deceive kids into believing something is a fact when it's not, while cutting them off from the only other explanation which objective observant eyes can clearly see is correct.
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yes, like the scripture that says of God:

"For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable"- Romans 1:20
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And 'invisible qualities' do not author books so you can surmise where the alleged passages attributed to 'God' really originated from.
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This is not saying God is an invisible quality, reading comprehension much?
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you simply can't fathom or don't want to believe the evidence that is presented...you don't want to believe in near death experience, ghosts, paranormal, heaven/hell, etc. and with our current technology there is no way to test these things...can you prove that these things do not exist? you have made up your mind so you manipulate the information to conform to your set of beliefs, just like a christian. there is also evidence against the current theory of evolution, but i am sure you would not take that into consideration. believe what you want, but saying that something is not true because of a lack of evidence is like saying that you could even comprehend the evidence if it slapped you in the face. do you think that you or any other human can comprehend all of the mysteries of the universe? i doubt we have scratched the surface of what our universe is capable of and you want to write off something because you can't fathom the evidence present. you should really do some thinking before you write things AUShole.
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NDEs, ghosts, demons, bigfoofts, walking on water.. yeah, there's a way to test all of it. It's called common sense, you'd be amazed what else suddenly makes sense when you just use some basic logic.
You should be embarrssed those are your examples of anything.
I'm literally laughing out loud at you right now.
Let's go hunt some ghosts brah. Haha.
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you simply can't fathom or don't want to believe the evidence that is presented...you don't want to believe in near death experience, ghosts, paranormal, heaven/hell, etc. and with our current technology there is no way to test these things...can you prove that these things do not exist? you have made up your mind so you manipulate the information to conform to your set of beliefs, just like a christian. there is also evidence against the current theory of evolution, but i am sure you would not take that into consideration. believe what you want, but saying that something is not true because of a lack of evidence is like saying that you could even comprehend the evidence if it slapped you in the face. do you think that you or any other human can comprehend all of the mysteries of the universe? i doubt we have scratched the surface of what our universe is capable of and you want to write off something because you can't fathom the evidence present. you should really do some thinking before you write things AUShole.
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Ghosts and paranormal are evidence now? Yeah there are a few quacks out there with thermal cameras and EMF detectors, but by and large they are considered jokes among the scientific community. And their findings are rarely repeatable under laboratory circumstances.
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And intelligent people consider evolutionists jokes, try better.
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you simply can't fathom or don't want to believe the evidence that is presented...you don't want to believe in near death experience, ghosts, paranormal, heaven/hell, etc. and with our current technology there is no way to test these things...can you prove that these things do not exist? you have made up your mind so you manipulate the information to conform to your set of beliefs, just like a christian. there is also evidence against the current theory of evolution, but i am sure you would not take that into consideration. believe what you want, but saying that something is not true because of a lack of evidence is like saying that you could even comprehend the evidence if it slapped you in the face. do you think that you or any other human can comprehend all of the mysteries of the universe? i doubt we have scratched the surface of what our universe is capable of and you want to write off something because you can't fathom the evidence present. you should really do some thinking before you write things AUShole.
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EXCELLENT post, with the responses proving your point about fools.

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