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Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??

 
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Evolution has evidence, Christianity has 0 evidence
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Hahaha, not even a nice try.. sorry no evidence for evolution yet, not even clues..
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What happens to living organisms when the Earth is inundated with surges in cosmic radiation in the manner that ice core samples and geological records have substantiated?

hmm
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dude you are super delusional.. nobody have seen what you just said.
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Fools keep talking, the scientific method is not the end all and be all, do you all know anything at all?
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Okay I'll bite, what is there outside of the scientific method?
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What you are basically saying is there is nothing outside of the 5 senses, which the scientific method deals with. Just not wise I think to rule anything beyond the 5 out.
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We can build machines to account for things outside of our senses. But until we build such machines there is no reason to believe that such things exist. Unless what you are saying is that we have free reign to make up things and use the fiat excuse, "we just can't perceive them" which opens up the door to a whole lot of foolishness.
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I think it's more foolish to think if we can't 5 it it can't be so. But carry on...
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^^^^ links?
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Creationists or to give them their scientific name, HOMO NON-SAPIENS IDIOTICUS are proof indeed of the common ancestor theory.
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Oh, ask who?

Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum, one of the highest authorities in the world, said: "Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species." Is a man in that position not a credible witness?

Prof. Beale, of King's College, London, a distinguished physiologist, said: "There is no evidence that man has descended from, or is, or was, in any way specially related to, any other organism in nature, through evolution, or by any other process. In support of all naturalistic conjectures concerning man's origin, there is not, at this time, a shadow of scientific evidence."

Prof Virchow, of Berlin, a naturalist of world wide fame, said: The attempt to find the transition from the .animal to man has ended in total failure. The middle link has not been found and never will be. Evolution is all nonsense. It can not be proved by science that man descended from the ape or from any other animal."

Prof. Fleishman, of Erlangen, who once accepted Darwinism, but after further investigation repudiated it, said: "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it, in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but is purely the product of the imagination."

Prof. Agassiz, one of the greatest scientists of any age, said: "The theory [of the transmutation of species] is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency There is not a fact known to science, tending to show that a single kind has ever been transmuted into any other."

Dr. W. H. Thompson, former president of NY Academy of Medicine, said: "The Darwinian theory is now rejected by the majority of biologists, as absurdly inadequate. It is absurd to rank man among the animals. His so called fellow animals, the primates--gorilla, orang and chimpanzee--can do nothing truly human."

Sir William Dawson, an eminent geologist, of Canada, said: "The record of the rocks is decidedly against evolutionists, especially in the abrupt appearance of new forms under specific types, and without apparent predecessors...Paleontology furnishes no evidence as to the actual transformation of one species into another. No such case is certainly known. Nothing is known about the origin of man except what is told in Scripture."

The foremost evolutionists, Spencer, Huxley and Romanes, before their death, repudiated Darwinism. Haeckel alone supported the theory and that by forged evidence.

Dr. St. George Mivert, late professor of biology in the University College of Kensington, calls Darwinism a "puerile hypothesis."

Dr. James Orr, of Edinburgh University, says: "The greatest scientists and theologians of Europe are now pronouncing Darwinism to be absolutely dead."

Dr. Traas, a famous paleontologist, concludes: "The idea that mankind is descended from any simian species whatever, is certainly the most foolish ever put forth by a man writing on the history of man." Does this apply to H. G. Wells?

Dr. N. S. Shaler, professor of Geology, in Harvard University, said: "It is not yet proved that a single species of the two or three millions, now inhabiting the earth had been established solely or mainly, by the operation of natural selection."

Prof. Haeckel, a most extreme evolutionist, confesses: "Most modern investigators of science have come to the conclusion that the doctrine of evolution, and particularly Darwinism, is an error, and can not be maintained.

Prof. Huxley, said that evolution is "not proved and not provable."

Sir Charles Bell, Prof. of the University College of London, says: "Everything declares the species to have their origin in a distinct creation, not in a gradual variation from some original type."

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Oh the famous list of quoted out of context from scientists that you've only just now heard of via Google search! Good job. Have you read any of their other works? Because the later stuff is very much in the favor of darwinism.. I'm sure you didn't know that because you don't follow science news, or you know, read. Good job with that Google search, and thanks for the old quotes out of context! Good job. This is the equivalent of pretending you like a poet to impress a girl, but when confronted, you couldn't really quote anything by the poet in question. That's what I'm accusing you of. I know it is true. You are a fraud, sir.
And do not understand science, and definitely not evolution.
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Okay I'll bite, what is there outside of the scientific method?
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What you are basically saying is there is nothing outside of the 5 senses, which the scientific method deals with. Just not wise I think to rule anything beyond the 5 out.
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We can build machines to account for things outside of our senses. But until we build such machines there is no reason to believe that such things exist. Unless what you are saying is that we have free reign to make up things and use the fiat excuse, "we just can't perceive them" which opens up the door to a whole lot of foolishness.
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I think it's more foolish to think if we can't 5 it it can't be so. But carry on...
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So ARE you saying that we just get to make shit up and say "Lalalala, it's outside of our senses so you can't prove it wrong"? Because that is honestly kind of a bullshit tactic.
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Oh, ask who?

Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum, one of the highest authorities in the world, said: "Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species." Is a man in that position not a credible witness?

Prof. Beale, of King's College, London, a distinguished physiologist, said: "There is no evidence that man has descended from, or is, or was, in any way specially related to, any other organism in nature, through evolution, or by any other process. In support of all naturalistic conjectures concerning man's origin, there is not, at this time, a shadow of scientific evidence."

Prof Virchow, of Berlin, a naturalist of world wide fame, said: The attempt to find the transition from the .animal to man has ended in total failure. The middle link has not been found and never will be. Evolution is all nonsense. It can not be proved by science that man descended from the ape or from any other animal."

Prof. Fleishman, of Erlangen, who once accepted Darwinism, but after further investigation repudiated it, said: "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it, in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but is purely the product of the imagination."

Prof. Agassiz, one of the greatest scientists of any age, said: "The theory [of the transmutation of species] is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency There is not a fact known to science, tending to show that a single kind has ever been transmuted into any other."

Dr. W. H. Thompson, former president of NY Academy of Medicine, said: "The Darwinian theory is now rejected by the majority of biologists, as absurdly inadequate. It is absurd to rank man among the animals. His so called fellow animals, the primates--gorilla, orang and chimpanzee--can do nothing truly human."

Sir William Dawson, an eminent geologist, of Canada, said: "The record of the rocks is decidedly against evolutionists, especially in the abrupt appearance of new forms under specific types, and without apparent predecessors...Paleontology furnishes no evidence as to the actual transformation of one species into another. No such case is certainly known. Nothing is known about the origin of man except what is told in Scripture."

The foremost evolutionists, Spencer, Huxley and Romanes, before their death, repudiated Darwinism. Haeckel alone supported the theory and that by forged evidence.

Dr. St. George Mivert, late professor of biology in the University College of Kensington, calls Darwinism a "puerile hypothesis."

Dr. James Orr, of Edinburgh University, says: "The greatest scientists and theologians of Europe are now pronouncing Darwinism to be absolutely dead."

Dr. Traas, a famous paleontologist, concludes: "The idea that mankind is descended from any simian species whatever, is certainly the most foolish ever put forth by a man writing on the history of man." Does this apply to H. G. Wells?

Dr. N. S. Shaler, professor of Geology, in Harvard University, said: "It is not yet proved that a single species of the two or three millions, now inhabiting the earth had been established solely or mainly, by the operation of natural selection."

Prof. Haeckel, a most extreme evolutionist, confesses: "Most modern investigators of science have come to the conclusion that the doctrine of evolution, and particularly Darwinism, is an error, and can not be maintained.

Prof. Huxley, said that evolution is "not proved and not provable."

Sir Charles Bell, Prof. of the University College of London, says: "Everything declares the species to have their origin in a distinct creation, not in a gradual variation from some original type."

[link to www.ldolphin.org]
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And there are many more, these are the ones who can think for themselves and do not just blindly accept what the"scientific community" tells them is true.
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What you are basically saying is there is nothing outside of the 5 senses, which the scientific method deals with. Just not wise I think to rule anything beyond the 5 out.
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We can build machines to account for things outside of our senses. But until we build such machines there is no reason to believe that such things exist. Unless what you are saying is that we have free reign to make up things and use the fiat excuse, "we just can't perceive them" which opens up the door to a whole lot of foolishness.
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I think it's more foolish to think if we can't 5 it it can't be so. But carry on...
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So ARE you saying that we just get to make shit up and say "Lalalala, it's outside of our senses so you can't prove it wrong"? Because that is honestly kind of a bullshit tactic.
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Is in the case of those who purposely deceive, but it's a bs tactic to say that's always the case.
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Oh, ask who?

Dr. Etheridge, famous fossilologist of the British Museum, one of the highest authorities in the world, said: "Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species." Is a man in that position not a credible witness?

Prof. Beale, of King's College, London, a distinguished physiologist, said: "There is no evidence that man has descended from, or is, or was, in any way specially related to, any other organism in nature, through evolution, or by any other process. In support of all naturalistic conjectures concerning man's origin, there is not, at this time, a shadow of scientific evidence."

Prof Virchow, of Berlin, a naturalist of world wide fame, said: The attempt to find the transition from the .animal to man has ended in total failure. The middle link has not been found and never will be. Evolution is all nonsense. It can not be proved by science that man descended from the ape or from any other animal."

Prof. Fleishman, of Erlangen, who once accepted Darwinism, but after further investigation repudiated it, said: "The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it, in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but is purely the product of the imagination."

Prof. Agassiz, one of the greatest scientists of any age, said: "The theory [of the transmutation of species] is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency There is not a fact known to science, tending to show that a single kind has ever been transmuted into any other."

Dr. W. H. Thompson, former president of NY Academy of Medicine, said: "The Darwinian theory is now rejected by the majority of biologists, as absurdly inadequate. It is absurd to rank man among the animals. His so called fellow animals, the primates--gorilla, orang and chimpanzee--can do nothing truly human."

Sir William Dawson, an eminent geologist, of Canada, said: "The record of the rocks is decidedly against evolutionists, especially in the abrupt appearance of new forms under specific types, and without apparent predecessors...Paleontology furnishes no evidence as to the actual transformation of one species into another. No such case is certainly known. Nothing is known about the origin of man except what is told in Scripture."

The foremost evolutionists, Spencer, Huxley and Romanes, before their death, repudiated Darwinism. Haeckel alone supported the theory and that by forged evidence.

Dr. St. George Mivert, late professor of biology in the University College of Kensington, calls Darwinism a "puerile hypothesis."

Dr. James Orr, of Edinburgh University, says: "The greatest scientists and theologians of Europe are now pronouncing Darwinism to be absolutely dead."

Dr. Traas, a famous paleontologist, concludes: "The idea that mankind is descended from any simian species whatever, is certainly the most foolish ever put forth by a man writing on the history of man." Does this apply to H. G. Wells?

Dr. N. S. Shaler, professor of Geology, in Harvard University, said: "It is not yet proved that a single species of the two or three millions, now inhabiting the earth had been established solely or mainly, by the operation of natural selection."

Prof. Haeckel, a most extreme evolutionist, confesses: "Most modern investigators of science have come to the conclusion that the doctrine of evolution, and particularly Darwinism, is an error, and can not be maintained.

Prof. Huxley, said that evolution is "not proved and not provable."

Sir Charles Bell, Prof. of the University College of London, says: "Everything declares the species to have their origin in a distinct creation, not in a gradual variation from some original type."

[link to www.ldolphin.org]
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And there are many more, these are the ones who can think for themselves and do not just blindly accept what the"scientific community" tells them is true.
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you couldn't tell me the background of any of these people without a Google search. So what good is your opinion on these quotes. Have you read any of their other work? Good Google skills though. You lazy ass hobo.
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Of course, Evolutionists = Smart, Creationist = Dumb..

^^^ and this theory goes on too..
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By the way creationtards, even IF somehow you were to prove evolution was false that still wouldn't go any way to proving creationism is true.

Well, saying that, it probably would in your atretic minds.
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And 'invisible qualities' do not author books so you can surmise where the alleged passages attributed to 'God' really originated from.
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This is not saying God is an invisible quality, reading comprehension much?
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No shit. It's talking about attributes, and I happen to agree with the INVISIBLE element. If you have invisible qualities you don't show up to author books in the physical realm that will be utilized to manipulate the unsuspecting masses at the helm of men who sought political power and CONTROL. Wake up. Those who proclaim to speak for 'God' are projecting thoughts from their own consciousness. It's human nature and it's important that others recognize this.
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So the Creator of all would just leave His creation all to itself without any communication? That's what the bible is, a guide for His children.
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The communication is the Creation itself. When you choose to acknowledge & observe the variation, complexity, and beauty of nature and the Universe, it causes you to ponder how it could come to be, and in that process one may discover a hidden order or power that lies 'behind the scenes'. That there is more to this physical world than meets the eye. It's left 'hidden' for man to discover on his own accord, through FREE WILL and the evolution (growth) of conscious awareness. Not by dictation or at the command of other men who proclaim to speak for this higher power. We are given the free will to evolve with no outside interference - which is why 'evil' exists, because some choose to experience that path. That is the only context in which learning can truly take place - without interference. If someone is standing over your shoulder correcting your mistakes for you and giving you the answers in advance, that's not truly learning. For learning to be authentic/genuine it must take place in the absence of outside interference, the threat of punishment, or any actions which interupt free will.

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By the way creationtards, even IF somehow you were to prove evolution was false that still wouldn't go any way to proving creationism is true.

Well, saying that, it probably would in your atretic minds.
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Haha.. as if it is our burden to prove it, nope, atheistic scientist have been trying so and have always failed.
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By the way creationtards, even IF somehow you were to prove evolution was false that still wouldn't go any way to proving creationism is true.

Well, saying that, it probably would in your atretic minds.
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Haha.. as if it is our burden to prove it, nope, atheistic scientist have been trying so and have always failed.
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Again, you can't help not understanding.
It's all down to your cessation of evolution 2000 years ago.
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Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; - Isaiah 66:1
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This is not saying God is an invisible quality, reading comprehension much?
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No shit. It's talking about attributes, and I happen to agree with the INVISIBLE element. If you have invisible qualities you don't show up to author books in the physical realm that will be utilized to manipulate the unsuspecting masses at the helm of men who sought political power and CONTROL. Wake up. Those who proclaim to speak for 'God' are projecting thoughts from their own consciousness. It's human nature and it's important that others recognize this.
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So the Creator of all would just leave His creation all to itself without any communication? That's what the bible is, a guide for His children.
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The communication is the Creation itself. When you observe the variation, complexity, and beauty of nature and the Universe, it causes individuals to ponder how it could come to be, and in that process one may discover a hidden order or power that lies 'behind the scenes' - that there is more to this physical world than meets the eye. It's left 'hidden' for man to discover on his own accord, through FREE WILL. Not by dictation or at the command of other men who proclaim to speak for this higher power. We are given the free will to evolve with no outside interference. That is the only context in which learning can truly take place - without interference. If someone is standing over your shoulder correcting your mistakes for you and giving you the answers in advance, that's not truly learning. For learning to be authentic/genuine it must take place in the absence of outside interference, the threat of punishment, or any actions which interupt free will.

:greenkarma:
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If the creator loves, his creation he will not leave them to fend for themselves and suffer the consequences, rather tell them the way to live so they would not suffer pain and suffering. Would you tell your child not to put their hand in the fire or just let them figure it out on their own? If you say the latter the word is child abuse.
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^^^ Atheists love this... haha
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Evolution has evidence, Christianity has 0 evidence
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Hahaha, not even a nice try.. sorry no evidence for evolution yet, not even clues..
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What happens to living organisms when the Earth is inundated with surges in cosmic radiation in the manner that ice core samples and geological records have substantiated?

hmm
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dude you are super delusional.. nobody have seen what you just said.
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I'm super delusional for asking you to answer the question of what happens to living organisms that are exposed to elevated levels of cosmic radiation from solar events that we can prove have impacted the Earth through analysis of the geologic record?

If you can't answer the question, just say so. It's apparent that you would rather resort to ridicule than to provide an honest answer to a legitamate question.

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Hahaha, not even a nice try.. sorry no evidence for evolution yet, not even clues..
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What happens to living organisms when the Earth is inundated with surges in cosmic radiation in the manner that ice core samples and geological records have substantiated?

hmm
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dude you are super delusional.. nobody have seen what you just said.
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..impacted the Earth through analysis of the geologic record?

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woah.. geologic record? as if earth rocks and ice has timestamp records in it.. duh..
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By the way creationtards, even IF somehow you were to prove evolution was false that still wouldn't go any way to proving creationism is true.

Well, saying that, it probably would in your atretic minds.
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If there are only 2 possibilities the other one has to be correct if one is proven wrong. But as expected such basic reasoning is outside of you and your ilks capabilities.
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No shit. It's talking about attributes, and I happen to agree with the INVISIBLE element. If you have invisible qualities you don't show up to author books in the physical realm that will be utilized to manipulate the unsuspecting masses at the helm of men who sought political power and CONTROL. Wake up. Those who proclaim to speak for 'God' are projecting thoughts from their own consciousness. It's human nature and it's important that others recognize this.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


So the Creator of all would just leave His creation all to itself without any communication? That's what the bible is, a guide for His children.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34515132


The communication is the Creation itself. When you observe the variation, complexity, and beauty of nature and the Universe, it causes individuals to ponder how it could come to be, and in that process one may discover a hidden order or power that lies 'behind the scenes' - that there is more to this physical world than meets the eye. It's left 'hidden' for man to discover on his own accord, through FREE WILL. Not by dictation or at the command of other men who proclaim to speak for this higher power. We are given the free will to evolve with no outside interference. That is the only context in which learning can truly take place - without interference. If someone is standing over your shoulder correcting your mistakes for you and giving you the answers in advance, that's not truly learning. For learning to be authentic/genuine it must take place in the absence of outside interference, the threat of punishment, or any actions which interupt free will.

:greenkarma:
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If the creator loves, his creation he will not leave them to fend for themselves and suffer the consequences, rather tell them the way to live so they would not suffer pain and suffering. Would you tell your child not to put their hand in the fire or just let them figure it out on their own? If you say the latter the word is child abuse.
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Death and suffering is caused by man.. Now atheists are blaming God.. now that's really dumb man.
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By the way creationtards, even IF somehow you were to prove evolution was false that still wouldn't go any way to proving creationism is true.

Well, saying that, it probably would in your atretic minds.
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If there are only 2 possibilities the other one has to be correct if one is proven wrong. But as expected such basic reasoning is outside of you and your ilks capabilities.
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maybe he thinks logic is beyond yes or no.. what you call that? yeno?
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No shit. It's talking about attributes, and I happen to agree with the INVISIBLE element. If you have invisible qualities you don't show up to author books in the physical realm that will be utilized to manipulate the unsuspecting masses at the helm of men who sought political power and CONTROL. Wake up. Those who proclaim to speak for 'God' are projecting thoughts from their own consciousness. It's human nature and it's important that others recognize this.
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So the Creator of all would just leave His creation all to itself without any communication? That's what the bible is, a guide for His children.
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The communication is the Creation itself. When you observe the variation, complexity, and beauty of nature and the Universe, it causes individuals to ponder how it could come to be, and in that process one may discover a hidden order or power that lies 'behind the scenes' - that there is more to this physical world than meets the eye. It's left 'hidden' for man to discover on his own accord, through FREE WILL. Not by dictation or at the command of other men who proclaim to speak for this higher power. We are given the free will to evolve with no outside interference. That is the only context in which learning can truly take place - without interference. If someone is standing over your shoulder correcting your mistakes for you and giving you the answers in advance, that's not truly learning. For learning to be authentic/genuine it must take place in the absence of outside interference, the threat of punishment, or any actions which interupt free will.

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If the creator loves, his creation he will not leave them to fend for themselves and suffer the consequences, rather tell them the way to live so they would not suffer pain and suffering. Would you tell your child not to put their hand in the fire or just let them figure it out on their own? If you say the latter the word is child abuse.
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I can appreciate your reasoning but pain & suffering is often times the best teacher. Some of the toughest lessons in 'life' must be learned through experiencing. Hypothetically, if you had never lost a loved one in your life and experienced the pain/suffering associated with that loss, could you ever truly understand and demonstrate empathy for another individual who was enduring through that experience? You had to live through it first hand to truly understand it. Similarly, I can't tell you what an exotic food tastes like that I've never placed in my own mouth and consumed - I would only be able to guess/imagine, which will never be the same as having a direct & first-hand experience.

This is a temporary physical experience we are having here. The core of our identity (energy/soul/consciousness) cannot be damaged by the experiences we have in this physical realm. Therefore, the things one may perceive to be threatening in the physical realm (like pain & suffering), must be viewed in the proper context and from an appropriate vantage point. It can sound really harsh when you think about some of the things that transpire during this physical experience, but when you revert back to the larger picture at hand (your larger existence), you become aware that these experiences cannot harm your true essence. With this understanding the undesirable experiences in this physical realm can be recognized as opportunities for growth & experience.

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What happens to living organisms when the Earth is inundated with surges in cosmic radiation in the manner that ice core samples and geological records have substantiated?

hmm
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dude you are super delusional.. nobody have seen what you just said.
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..impacted the Earth through analysis of the geologic record?

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woah.. geologic record? as if earth rocks and ice has timestamp records in it.. duh..
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The ice core samples that contain cosmic dust/debris that does not originate from Earth. There are means for establishing reference points of geologic time through analysis of the samples:
[link to www.talkorigins.org]

Did you come for an open & honest discussion or just to babble whatever nonsense comes to mind?

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You see I don't believe in the traditional theory of evolution transpiring across millions of years at a painstakenly slow & gradual rate. I think it's far more likely that cosmic radiation has (over short periods of time) caused the rapid genetic mutation of living organisms and these events (which we know have occurred) have served as the catalyst for the variation that we observe amongst species over time. The Universe is going about it's business the way it was designed to do. Nothing remains unchanged forever, not even humans. Everything is in a constant state of change, however our limited perception and man-made creations like 'time' often cloud our awareness.

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I doubt being dosed with cosmic radiation would have any good effects. I mean outside of comic book land that is.
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So the Creator of all would just leave His creation all to itself without any communication? That's what the bible is, a guide for His children.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34515132


The communication is the Creation itself. When you observe the variation, complexity, and beauty of nature and the Universe, it causes individuals to ponder how it could come to be, and in that process one may discover a hidden order or power that lies 'behind the scenes' - that there is more to this physical world than meets the eye. It's left 'hidden' for man to discover on his own accord, through FREE WILL. Not by dictation or at the command of other men who proclaim to speak for this higher power. We are given the free will to evolve with no outside interference. That is the only context in which learning can truly take place - without interference. If someone is standing over your shoulder correcting your mistakes for you and giving you the answers in advance, that's not truly learning. For learning to be authentic/genuine it must take place in the absence of outside interference, the threat of punishment, or any actions which interupt free will.

:greenkarma:
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If the creator loves, his creation he will not leave them to fend for themselves and suffer the consequences, rather tell them the way to live so they would not suffer pain and suffering. Would you tell your child not to put their hand in the fire or just let them figure it out on their own? If you say the latter the word is child abuse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34515132


I can appreciate your reasoning but pain & suffering is often times the best teacher. Some of the toughest lessons in 'life' must be learned through experiencing. Hypothetically, if you had never lost a loved one in your life and experienced the pain/suffering associated with that loss, could you ever truly understand and demonstrate empathy for another individual who was enduring through that experience? You had to live through it first hand to truly understand it. Similarly, I can't tell you what an exotic food tastes like that I've never placed in my own mouth and consumed - I would only be able to guess/imagine, which will never be the same as having a direct & first-hand experience.

This is a temporary physical experience we are having here. The core of our identity (energy/soul/consciousness) cannot be damaged by the experiences we have in this physical realm. Therefore, the things one may perceive to be threatening in the physical realm (like pain & suffering), must be viewed in the proper context and from an appropriate vantage point. It can sound really harsh when you think about some of the things that transpire during this physical experience, but when you revert back to the larger picture at hand (your larger existence), you become aware that these experiences cannot harm your true essence. With this understanding the undesirable experiences in this physical realm can be recognized as opportunities for growth & experience.

sun
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I agree there is a use pain and suffering and the bible clearly states that God's called out believers will experience it at His hand for different reasons however there is much unnecessary suffering which the Maker wishes us to avoid. And the guide book is more than just about basic living, it also details His plan for His creation, and how he's accomplishing it and warnings about when it's fulfillment is near. All things which any parent would want their child to know no reason to leave them in the dark about their existence.
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I doubt being dosed with cosmic radiation would have any good effects. I mean outside of comic book land that is.
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Life finds ways to adapt and survive. What is considered 'good' will always be subjective. We know there have been extinction level events and mass extinctions on Earth in the past and yet here we are today with an Earth that is still brimming with life. Nature finds a way to persist on.

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