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Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??

 
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Yes I know. - especially when you cannot reply because the facts speak for themselves. I really don't care one way or the other if you believe in
God, because it is a gift from God to believe. No one comes to Him unless He first calls. A remnant He calls His people

We just defend our stance against evolution as this theory has caused some of the most racist actions of those that have adhered to this belief. Nothing wrong with giving the young, impressionable minds a chance to consider both sides of the issue. But instead this evolution theory has been presented to them as fact all their lives in the government controlled education centers. So they will learn that all mankind is reducible to accidents of nature, and if not ascended on the chain of evolution - they must go - as they are but useless to the good of the whole system - ran by a demonic cult of haters of God and His creation - who are about removing God and replacing Him with their man of the hour.
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Yes I know. - especially when you cannot reply because the facts speak for themselves. I really don't care one way or the other if you believe in
God, because it is a gift from God to believe. No one comes to Him unless He first calls. A remnant He calls His people

We just defend our stance against evolution as this theory has caused some of the most racist actions of those that have adhered to this belief. Nothing wrong with giving the young, impressionable minds a chance to consider both sides of the issue. But instead this evolution theory has been presented to them as fact all their lives in the government controlled education centers. So they will learn that all mankind is reducible to accidents of nature, and if not ascended on the chain of evolution - they must go - as they are but useless to the good of the whole system - ran by a demonic cult of haters of God and His creation - who are about removing God and replacing Him with their man of the hour.
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Sorry, but the "god of the gaps" argument doesn't apply here. We basically know how these systems work. But complex systems have never been observed to magically form without intelligence and design. The burden of proof is on the evolutionists to explain step by step how these systems came about unintelligently. Otherwise it's not science, but science fiction. Science is supposed to be based on hard evidence, not faith in the impossible.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


We don't know how it happened therefore god! And proof.

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I never saw with my own eyes how the Mona Lisa was produced. I'm going to guess it was done over many years by monkeys randomly throwing paint at a canvas. Some people claim it was painted by an intelligent designer, but that's not scientific is it? That would be like saying God did it.
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You didn't see "with your own eyes" yourself being born but you were weren't you?
It's clear that you and your ilk, armed only with your simian brains cannot (or more likely will not) comprehend the vast time scales involved in evolution and the almost infinite combinations involved in producing what and where we are.

Until you can grasp this very basic tenet I'm afraid you will evolve no more.
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Its not hard to grasp- the magical, unobservable concept of 'billions of years' is your creator, thats what you worship. Im afraid you dont get this is not science, but religion.
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The burden of proof is on the evolutionists. Start looking at your own 'theory', and the observations its based on (if any). This is why origins is a topic of religion, not science.
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here are my personal observations as a botanist and a lifetime of commercial greenhouse operation.

there are intergeneric crosses in the plant word . these are rare but do exist. given billions of years, certainly these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in new species. yes, new species.

i have battled insects, that in a few short generations, become oblivious to the most toxic of sprays, and some (thrips) develop tendencies to move their young to places of safety until those sprays have dried.

and the ubiquitous apple tree, denied the natural defense of evolution,
cloned,(grafted) exactly the same genetic makeup, year on year generation upon generation. meanwhile the insects and disease pathogens who prey upon it, evolve yes i said evolve to thwart ever increasing applications of ever more toxic chemicals and expensive cultural practices.

the commercial varieties of apple tree is now the most sprayed economic crop in the world. these trees are helplessly dependent on the orchardist.

undeniable proof of evolution? certainly not. but to see these things in their progress is definitely an indication that an animal could,over generations develop a longer and longer neck to access hard to reach edible foliage.

of course, i can see why i should discard this experience in the face of your gut feelings and one chapter of a book you read.
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You are describing adapatation, or micro-evolution within a species, this is a fact which no one is debating. And your personal feelings are irrelevant.
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oh please enlighten me as to when micro evolution becomes macro evolution and then no longer true.

i tell you there are intergeneric crosses resulting in new plant species, (i can site examples) and you tell me these are adaptations within a species.

did you study reading comprehension in grade school?

finally no, we are not talking about my feelings irrevelant or otherwise, i did mention your gut feelings, about genesis, which is all you have to offer.

i offered observations that could point to evolution, but stated that they were not absolute proof of evolution.

and yes, it is incumbent on you to produce something other than tired, worn out scripture to lend credence to your inescapable facts.

please, tell me you have some evidence to point me towards creationism other than your feelings about what is true from your lifetime of bible study.

one more note, spare me the ken hovind videos produced in cell block d.
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Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
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I'll try to make this simple for you since you didn't understand my analogy.

How much time would it take for the ocean waves to produce a sand castle? I'll give you a billion years, but we all know there would be no sand castle.

If the odds are zero, a billion times zero is still zero.

Large amounts of time don't make the impossible possible.
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And with that post you have proved that evolution is beyond your comprehension.
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You're not good with metaphors are you?
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Look, creationists have to try to simplify evolution to even begin to understand it. It becomes clear even after one or two sentences though that they never will be able to though. It's beyond their capabilities. Just accept it.

However, going back to your ridiculously over-simplified and frankly pointless analogy...

For there to be water there needs to be a base for the water to reside upon.
Waves indicate movement of water.
Movement of water against a base creates friction.
Friction causes erosion.

What creates sand?
Erosion of water on rocks.
What facilitates water erosion of rock?
Waves.

Even though there's still some way to producing a version of a sand castle the basic building blocks are there.
Do you still follow?

Now obviously there isn't a NEED for there to be a sandcastle so the likelihood of one being made is slim but if there was a need then the likelihood of a sand castle would increase exponentially.


Feel free to throw apple against pear comparisons at me though.
Whatever your atretic mind feels comfortable with.
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Face it. Evolutionists accuse creationists of using God to explain what they don't know.

Well, evolutionists use "huge amounts of time" to explain what they don't know. That's called a "hand waving" argument. They can't provide detailed steps that show how a lizard became a bird. They just say "large amounts of time" did it. And you accuse me of over-simplifying.

Your "god of the gaps" is just large amounts of time and random mutations to create all of the new genetic material. Natural selection doesn't create new genetic material, only random mutations can do that, according to your theory.

As the amoeba supposedly evolved into the elephant, a lot of new genetic code had to be created for all of the new organs and complex systems. All of those new genes were created by random mutations and "huge amounts of time", according to your theory. So the professor just waves his hand and says: "The actual details of how it happened is trivial. I'll leave that as an exercise for the class." That's not science.

The burden of proof is on evolutionists to explain how "huge amounts of time" is a substitute for intelligent design.

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christians make me want to cry from their amazing amount of stupidity.
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Yes I know. - especially when you cannot reply because the facts speak for themselves. I really don't care one way or the other if you believe in
God, because it is a gift from God to believe. No one comes to Him unless He first calls. A remnant He calls His people

We just defend our stance against evolution as this theory has caused some of the most racist actions of those that have adhered to this belief. Nothing wrong with giving the young, impressionable minds a chance to consider both sides of the issue. But instead this evolution theory has been presented to them as fact all their lives in the government controlled education centers. So they will learn that all mankind is reducible to accidents of nature, and if not ascended on the chain of evolution - they must go - as they are but useless to the good of the whole system - ran by a demonic cult of haters of God and His creation - who are about removing God and replacing Him with their man of the hour.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


I would individually quote all of the ignorant things you just wrote here, but your stupidity is so abundant it is just overwhelming.
Let's just start with how evolution has inspired some of the most racist actions in the world.. are you out of your mind? I would love to see the giant ass you pulled that out of. When in fact, is it not predominantly religion that spurred some of the most atrocious, and hateful genocides of the entire recorded human history? You truly don't see the paradox in what you are saying? Everything from the hatred it breeds, to the mass murders it has inspired for thousands of years, to the hatred towards other religions and the Jon religious even today! In what world do you see darwinian supporters out there killing in the name of Darwin? That is truly laughable. I encourage you to prove me wrong. Show me these racist people inspired by the idea that we evolved. Show me just one! I'll show endless accounts of utter fools convinced that god requires them to kill and murder all those who believe in a different version of the same god damned thing!!!! Are you seriously this ignorant that you do not see the truth? Not even to mention the over abundant amount of other disgusting 'ungodly' things that have. And still come from religion. Turn a blind eye though, try your hardest to convince yourself it is just a few rotten apples. I can pretend too! But I prefer not to. I would rather accept the fact that Religol breeds nothing but hate, intolerance, racism, sexism let's not forget, and oh yeah men who prey on children right before they pray to god!! So incredibly gross. How could anyone still be bringing their children to a church. I know why! It's because they are retarded.
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christians make me want to cry from their amazing amount of stupidity.
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Yes I know. - especially when you cannot reply because the facts speak for themselves. I really don't care one way or the other if you believe in
God, because it is a gift from God to believe. No one comes to Him unless He first calls. A remnant He calls His people

We just defend our stance against evolution as this theory has caused some of the most racist actions of those that have adhered to this belief. Nothing wrong with giving the young, impressionable minds a chance to consider both sides of the issue. But instead this evolution theory has been presented to them as fact all their lives in the government controlled education centers. So they will learn that all mankind is reducible to accidents of nature, and if not ascended on the chain of evolution - they must go - as they are but useless to the good of the whole system - ran by a demonic cult of haters of God and His creation - who are about removing God and replacing Him with their man of the hour.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


Actually, there are a million different beliefs on the subject of where humans came from, but only one has evidence.

Some of you are a bit too religious for this discussion, though.

There is no proof that this fact about the rib's ability to grow back had anything to do with choosing the rib to create Eve in the Genesis account.
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christians make me want to cry from their amazing amount of stupidity.
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Yes I know. - especially when you cannot reply because the facts speak for themselves. I really don't care one way or the other if you believe in
God, because it is a gift from God to believe. No one comes to Him unless He first calls. A remnant He calls His people

We just defend our stance against evolution as this theory has caused some of the most racist actions of those that have adhered to this belief. Nothing wrong with giving the young, impressionable minds a chance to consider both sides of the issue. But instead this evolution theory has been presented to them as fact all their lives in the government controlled education centers. So they will learn that all mankind is reducible to accidents of nature, and if not ascended on the chain of evolution - they must go - as they are but useless to the good of the whole system - ran by a demonic cult of haters of God and His creation - who are about removing God and replacing Him with their man of the hour.
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I would individually quote all of the ignorant things you just wrote here, but your stupidity is so abundant it is just overwhelming.
Let's just start with how evolution has inspired some of the most racist actions in the world.. are you out of your mind? I would love to see the giant ass you pulled that out of. When in fact, is it not predominantly religion that spurred some of the most atrocious, and hateful genocides of the entire recorded human history? You truly don't see the paradox in what you are saying? Everything from the hatred it breeds, to the mass murders it has inspired for thousands of years, to the hatred towards other religions and the Jon religious even today! In what world do you see darwinian supporters out there killing in the name of Darwin? That is truly laughable. I encourage you to prove me wrong. Show me these racist people inspired by the idea that we evolved. Show me just one! I'll show endless accounts of utter fools convinced that god requires them to kill and murder all those who believe in a different version of the same god damned thing!!!! Are you seriously this ignorant that you do not see the truth? Not even to mention the over abundant amount of other disgusting 'ungodly' things that have. And still come from religion. Turn a blind eye though, try your hardest to convince yourself it is just a few rotten apples. I can pretend too! But I prefer not to. I would rather accept the fact that Religol breeds nothing but hate, intolerance, racism, sexism let's not forget, and oh yeah men who prey on children right before they pray to god!! So incredibly gross. How could anyone still be bringing their children to a church. I know why! It's because they are retarded.
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If you are capable, go back and read the other posts on here that I have provided. Historical, factual, recorded -
You obviousley desire to cast the Christians in the same boat with their number one persecutor throughout history, the Catholic Church. No Christian would support any organization that preys on the innocent children, which would include football - all that claims Christ is not of Christ. But you would rather hate and be right - you are very angry, don't you just hate it
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And with that post you have proved that evolution is beyond your comprehension.
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You're not good with metaphors are you?
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Look, creationists have to try to simplify evolution to even begin to understand it. It becomes clear even after one or two sentences though that they never will be able to though. It's beyond their capabilities. Just accept it.

However, going back to your ridiculously over-simplified and frankly pointless analogy...

For there to be water there needs to be a base for the water to reside upon.
Waves indicate movement of water.
Movement of water against a base creates friction.
Friction causes erosion.

What creates sand?
Erosion of water on rocks.
What facilitates water erosion of rock?
Waves.

Even though there's still some way to producing a version of a sand castle the basic building blocks are there.
Do you still follow?

Now obviously there isn't a NEED for there to be a sandcastle so the likelihood of one being made is slim but if there was a need then the likelihood of a sand castle would increase exponentially.


Feel free to throw apple against pear comparisons at me though.
Whatever your atretic mind feels comfortable with.
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Face it. Evolutionists accuse creationists of using God to explain what they don't know.

Well, evolutionists use "huge amounts of time" to explain what they don't know. That's called a "hand waving" argument. They can't provide detailed steps that show how a lizard became a bird. They just say "large amounts of time" did it. And you accuse me of over-simplifying.

Your "god of the gaps" is just large amounts of time and random mutations to create all of the new genetic material. Natural selection doesn't create new genetic material, only random mutations can do that, according to your theory.

As the amoeba supposedly evolved into the elephant, a lot of new genetic code had to be created for all of the new organs and complex systems. All of those new genes were created by random mutations and "huge amounts of time", according to your theory. So the professor just waves his hand and says: "The actual details of how it happened is trivial. I'll leave that as an exercise for the class." That's not science.

The burden of proof is on evolutionists to explain how "huge amounts of time" is a substitute for intelligent design.
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Maybe in your mind as that's the best way you can comprehend it but to us who have evolved we can see and understand the evidence quite clearly.
In fact it's as clear as day.
If you're able to understand what's presented to you again, the "steps" are there to see and analyse.
However, as I've mentioned before your un-evolved brain probably can't see the wood for the trees. Today's humans can though i.e. homo sapiens sapiens.

As for your last point, I think I can be sure in saying you've not studied evolution in any proper way (which, given your inherent brain power would be gobbledegook to you anyway) as if you had you would clearly understand that what you've said is wholly incorrect. You're phrasing it exactly how a creationist describes creation, assumptions and beliefs and in your limited capacity you believe that since homo non-sapiens idioticus simians (creationists) work like that then everyone else does too.

The burden of proof is indeed on the scientists to prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that evolution holds true (it's extremely close to doing so as well, if only you could understand it...).
That's why they are consistently challenging what's already known and constantly altering the boundaries of what they know. Again this is completely the opposite of what you lot do as you've made your decision and are sticking to it whatever the evidence tells you.
Like ostriches are alleged to do (falsely btw). you all keep your heads firmly in the sand....
...which was created by the ocean waves.....
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Oh, to all you who believe that a rib can replace itself if its removed...
It can't.

There's evidence that a rib can partially regenerate itself if shortened enough but that is only in in vitro experiments not in vivo.

There is no evidence anywhere that a normal rib will replace a removed one.
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Oh, to all you who believe that a rib can replace itself if its removed...
It can't.

There's evidence that a rib can partially regenerate itself if shortened enough but that is only in in vitro experiments not in vivo.

There is no evidence anywhere that a normal rib will replace a removed one.
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Wrong, if removed correctly, it will regenerate, only a surgeon could perform this procedure, or God
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Maybe in your mind as that's the best way you can comprehend it but to us who have evolved we can see and understand the evidence quite clearly.
In fact it's as clear as day.
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It's clear to you, because you view the world through the lens of ancient philosophical beliefs in the natural spontaneous generation of forms. People have believed in evolutionary creation stories for millenia. It was only in the 1800's that the Royal Societies threw a bunch of money at the idea and surrounded the life sciences with the same dogma.

What a shame for Science that every movement in biology must now be chalked up to an ancient superstitious belief in the evolution of lifeforms over millions of years.

I'm sure you have very little in the way of empirical evidence or falsifiable hypotheses to support your evolutionary paradigm.

Evolution will be looked back on as the stupidest idea since spontaneous generation.
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Maybe in your mind as that's the best way you can comprehend it but to us who have evolved we can see and understand the evidence quite clearly.
In fact it's as clear as day.
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It's clear to you, because you view the world through the lens of ancient philosophical beliefs in the natural spontaneous generation of forms. People have believed in evolutionary creation stories for millenia. It was only in the 1800's that the Royal Societies threw a bunch of money at the idea and surrounded the life sciences with the same dogma.

What a shame for Science that every movement in biology must now be chalked up to an ancient superstitious belief in the evolution of lifeforms over millions of years.

I'm sure you have very little in the way of empirical evidence or falsifiable hypotheses to support your evolutionary paradigm.

Evolution will be looked back on as the stupidest idea since spontaneous generation.
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So,so good, and true.bump

Darwin was just a popularizer, maybe even "revelation of the method" of ancient alchemical "knowledge". He does certainly appear to have opened the floodgates to virtallly everyone on the planet being complicit with eugenics, and imagining it's even their duty to think "eu"-genically -as self diagnosed "evolved" ones.

Life is not "evolving", it's degenerating, and natural selection can't even keep up with the entropy, let alone produce new 'kinds'.
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You're not good with metaphors are you?
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Look, creationists have to try to simplify evolution to even begin to understand it. It becomes clear even after one or two sentences though that they never will be able to though. It's beyond their capabilities. Just accept it.

However, going back to your ridiculously over-simplified and frankly pointless analogy...

For there to be water there needs to be a base for the water to reside upon.
Waves indicate movement of water.
Movement of water against a base creates friction.
Friction causes erosion.

What creates sand?
Erosion of water on rocks.
What facilitates water erosion of rock?
Waves.

Even though there's still some way to producing a version of a sand castle the basic building blocks are there.
Do you still follow?

Now obviously there isn't a NEED for there to be a sandcastle so the likelihood of one being made is slim but if there was a need then the likelihood of a sand castle would increase exponentially.


Feel free to throw apple against pear comparisons at me though.
Whatever your atretic mind feels comfortable with.
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Face it. Evolutionists accuse creationists of using God to explain what they don't know.

Well, evolutionists use "huge amounts of time" to explain what they don't know. That's called a "hand waving" argument. They can't provide detailed steps that show how a lizard became a bird. They just say "large amounts of time" did it. And you accuse me of over-simplifying.

Your "god of the gaps" is just large amounts of time and random mutations to create all of the new genetic material. Natural selection doesn't create new genetic material, only random mutations can do that, according to your theory.

As the amoeba supposedly evolved into the elephant, a lot of new genetic code had to be created for all of the new organs and complex systems. All of those new genes were created by random mutations and "huge amounts of time", according to your theory. So the professor just waves his hand and says: "The actual details of how it happened is trivial. I'll leave that as an exercise for the class." That's not science.

The burden of proof is on evolutionists to explain how "huge amounts of time" is a substitute for intelligent design.
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Maybe in your mind as that's the best way you can comprehend it but to us who have evolved we can see and understand the evidence quite clearly.
In fact it's as clear as day.
If you're able to understand what's presented to you again, the "steps" are there to see and analyse.
However, as I've mentioned before your un-evolved brain probably can't see the wood for the trees. Today's humans can though i.e. homo sapiens sapiens.

As for your last point, I think I can be sure in saying you've not studied evolution in any proper way (which, given your inherent brain power would be gobbledegook to you anyway) as if you had you would clearly understand that what you've said is wholly incorrect. You're phrasing it exactly how a creationist describes creation, assumptions and beliefs and in your limited capacity you believe that since homo non-sapiens idioticus simians (creationists) work like that then everyone else does too.

The burden of proof is indeed on the scientists to prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that evolution holds true (it's extremely close to doing so as well, if only you could understand it...).
That's why they are consistently challenging what's already known and constantly altering the boundaries of what they know. Again this is completely the opposite of what you lot do as you've made your decision and are sticking to it whatever the evidence tells you.
Like ostriches are alleged to do (falsely btw). you all keep your heads firmly in the sand....
...which was created by the ocean waves.....
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I hope you're getting better than minimum wage for your shill work. Good job ignoring my points and repeating the hand-waving arguments. BTW, assuming evolution is a proven fact ("my un-evolved brain") in your attempt to prove it, is known as the 'begging the question' fallacy, or circular reasoning.

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Re: Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??
You say Evolution has proof did you know that in order for the theory of evolution to be accurate hundreds of free floating proteins, that came into existence from NOTHING..because remember evolution starts after creation..anyway these proteins had to some how gather together out of nowhere and align in perfect order..PERFECT..meaning that if even one did not align in that specific order a single cell could NOT have been produced. The odds of this are so against this theory that that alone should dismiss it but if that were not enough, let's just look at creation alone..that single cell that came from Nothing is now responsible for Everything..

The theory of evolution requires that there be something inbetween, a transitional being..and yet there has NEVER been one fossil record found..the only fossils are fish that were fish, birds that were birds and so on..there is NO transitional evidence to support this theory.

If you study the laws of thermodynamics, it destroys the theory of a Big bang..according to the very law of Science which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, the Big Bang could not have happened..the energy that was created from Nothing by Nothing could not have happened according to the law of Thermodynamics..sorry guys EVOLUTION is the biggest Conspiracy ever perpetrated on mankind :(
lol.
another christian trying to be scientific.
still believing in Genesis.
Deuteronomy .
Leviticus .

crazy crazy stuff.

the amount of evidence supporting evolution is surmount.
if u cant find it your an idiot.


evolution is real.
we can literately bread out species until they cant copulate. that's the definition of species. ability to have sex and have offspring in succession

we can bread out moths far beyond that point for traits until they are literately classed a new species and unable to copulate with the original species


o and evolution has nothing to do with the origin or life.
if you are going to cling to any argument. your best chance is that.
but clearly you can be swayed by less then four minutes of easily refutable crap. so i guess thinking isnt your strong point
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Face it. Evolutionists accuse creationists of using God to explain what they don't know.

Well, evolutionists use "huge amounts of time" to explain what they don't know. That's called a "hand waving" argument. They can't provide detailed steps that show how a lizard became a bird. They just say "large amounts of time" did it. And you accuse me of over-simplifying.

Your "god of the gaps" is just large amounts of time and random mutations to create all of the new genetic material. Natural selection doesn't create new genetic material, only random mutations can do that, according to your theory.

As the amoeba supposedly evolved into the elephant, a lot of new genetic code had to be created for all of the new organs and complex systems. All of those new genes were created by random mutations and "huge amounts of time", according to your theory. So the professor just waves his hand and says: "The actual details of how it happened is trivial. I'll leave that as an exercise for the class." That's not science.

The burden of proof is on evolutionists to explain how "huge amounts of time" is a substitute for intelligent design.
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Maybe in your mind as that's the best way you can comprehend it but to us who have evolved we can see and understand the evidence quite clearly.
In fact it's as clear as day.
If you're able to understand what's presented to you again, the "steps" are there to see and analyse.
However, as I've mentioned before your un-evolved brain probably can't see the wood for the trees. Today's humans can though i.e. homo sapiens sapiens.

As for your last point, I think I can be sure in saying you've not studied evolution in any proper way (which, given your inherent brain power would be gobbledegook to you anyway) as if you had you would clearly understand that what you've said is wholly incorrect. You're phrasing it exactly how a creationist describes creation, assumptions and beliefs and in your limited capacity you believe that since homo non-sapiens idioticus simians (creationists) work like that then everyone else does too.

The burden of proof is indeed on the scientists to prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that evolution holds true (it's extremely close to doing so as well, if only you could understand it...).
That's why they are consistently challenging what's already known and constantly altering the boundaries of what they know. Again this is completely the opposite of what you lot do as you've made your decision and are sticking to it whatever the evidence tells you.
Like ostriches are alleged to do (falsely btw). you all keep your heads firmly in the sand....
...which was created by the ocean waves.....
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I hope you're getting better than minimum wage for your shill work. Good job ignoring my points and repeating the hand-waving arguments. BTW, assuming evolution is a proven fact ("my un-evolved brain") in your attempt to prove it, is known as the 'begging the question' fallacy, or circular reasoning.

[link to www.nizkor.org]
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Ah, the old "shill" gambit. Took your time didn't you?
Not that you're a creationists shill or anything...the title would fit you far better as you're the one promoting nonsense and fabrication albeit in your own little way.

And talking of ignoring points...you're doing a splendid job of ignoring mine.
Oh, your example of what you think I'm doing is not only incorrect but quite ironic, especially the first example of "begging the question". Read before you post next time.
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."

Brilliant!

You're also not reading properly (there's an obvious reason for that) as I stated that evolution as a theory is ALMOST a proven fact and that's what scientists are striving towards.

Right, as I've already mentioned the actual comprehension is obviously beyond you as you've stated that new genetic codes are "created" in "my" theory.
If you were able to understand it properly you would see that this is definitely not the case. Again, you are completely ignoring/dismissing/not understanding how genes evolve and to a great extent what the actual genes are composed of. There is also the FACT that the majority of animals actually share the same genetics.
It's an extremely complex progression though and one which does take time however for you to dismiss this as "god of the gaps" demonstrates your lack of comprehension once again. Contrary to what your creation 101 book tells you, evolution doesn't use time scales as evidence, it uses evidence which fits the time scales. There's a massive difference in the two statements.
All of the details are there, they're certainly not "waved away" regardless of what your preachers tell you.

Your example of an amoeba "turning into" an elephant is typical in the childlike way your brains try to comprehend what has happened.
I'll give you a hint, there were numerous steps between the two and it wasn't a straight line.

Going back to the reptiles to birds evidence (one of my favourite "dinosaurs" is archeopteryx).
[link to www.ucmp.berkeley.edu]
Since Archie's discovery however there have been other later specimens found of other species (around 30-40 million years after Archie) which show even further transition towards a fully-fledged (no pun) bird.
Another beautiful transitional-creature is the microraptor (look it up).

So, in summary, evolution (which is something your part of, homo non-sapiens idioticus is soon to be added) is an extraordinarily complex theory which explains in minute details how we are what we are. The fact that people try to simplify it using singular and nonsensical arguments is testament to the lack of comprehension of it.
But then it is genetically impossible for a creationist to grasp the theory in its entirety and therefore understand it.
This timeline map is rather basic but still quite informative (for children and creationists).
[link to www.johnkyrk.com]
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You say Evolution has proof did you know that in order for the theory of evolution to be accurate hundreds of free floating proteins, that came into existence from NOTHING..because remember evolution starts after creation..anyway these proteins had to some how gather together out of nowhere and align in perfect order..PERFECT..meaning that if even one did not align in that specific order a single cell could NOT have been produced. The odds of this are so against this theory that that alone should dismiss it but if that were not enough, let's just look at creation alone..that single cell that came from Nothing is now responsible for Everything..

The theory of evolution requires that there be something inbetween, a transitional being..and yet there has NEVER been one fossil record found..the only fossils are fish that were fish, birds that were birds and so on..there is NO transitional evidence to support this theory.

If you study the laws of thermodynamics, it destroys the theory of a Big bang..according to the very law of Science which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, the Big Bang could not have happened..the energy that was created from Nothing by Nothing could not have happened according to the law of Thermodynamics..sorry guys EVOLUTION is the biggest Conspiracy ever perpetrated on mankind :(
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Who says there was NOTHING there before the big bang?
Seriously, who (well, other than you)?

Certainly not physicists.
I'm guessing it's YOU who hasn't studied thermodynamics properly.
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evolution is just another form of religion... they have their own fanatics
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here are my personal observations as a botanist and a lifetime of commercial greenhouse operation.

there are intergeneric crosses in the plant word . these are rare but do exist. given billions of years, certainly these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in new species. yes, new species.

i have battled insects, that in a few short generations, become oblivious to the most toxic of sprays, and some (thrips) develop tendencies to move their young to places of safety until those sprays have dried.

and the ubiquitous apple tree, denied the natural defense of evolution,
cloned,(grafted) exactly the same genetic makeup, year on year generation upon generation. meanwhile the insects and disease pathogens who prey upon it, evolve yes i said evolve to thwart ever increasing applications of ever more toxic chemicals and expensive cultural practices.

the commercial varieties of apple tree is now the most sprayed economic crop in the world. these trees are helplessly dependent on the orchardist.

undeniable proof of evolution? certainly not. but to see these things in their progress is definitely an indication that an animal could,over generations develop a longer and longer neck to access hard to reach edible foliage.

of course, i can see why i should discard this experience in the face of your gut feelings and one chapter of a book you read.
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You are describing adapatation, or micro-evolution within a species, this is a fact which no one is debating. And your personal feelings are irrelevant.
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oh please enlighten me as to when micro evolution becomes macro evolution and then no longer true.

i tell you there are intergeneric crosses resulting in new plant species, (i can site examples) and you tell me these are adaptations within a species.

did you study reading comprehension in grade school?

finally no, we are not talking about my feelings irrevelant or otherwise, i did mention your gut feelings, about genesis, which is all you have to offer.

i offered observations that could point to evolution, but stated that they were not absolute proof of evolution.

and yes, it is incumbent on you to produce something other than tired, worn out scripture to lend credence to your inescapable facts.

please, tell me you have some evidence to point me towards creationism other than your feelings about what is true from your lifetime of bible study.

one more note, spare me the ken hovind videos produced in cell block d.
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Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
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What's a kind?
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Galapagos Finches produce Galapagos Finches- same with the tortoises

" Naturalist guide Ronald Daeumler, who recently spent two years on the Galápagos, observed: “Frankly, I was astounded on learning that this was really Darwin’s most convincing reason to show that evolution was a possible explanation of the origin of the species. He reasoned that if the finch could, as he called it, evolve a new beak, then it was probable that it could also evolve into another animal if enough time was granted. Could this thinking really be the foundation that has caused so many millions of people to renounce the concept of an intelligent creator? Was this the strongest support that Darwin’s islands could give to evolution?

“As a guide I was really interested in being able to identify the different finches. But since they are called different species I had imagined that identification would be a very easy process. However, as I did research I came to realize that the differences between these so-called species were so small that many could be identified only by weighing or measuring different organs such as the heart or brain. As one author said: ‘It is only a very wise man or a fool who thinks he is able to identify all the finches which he sees.”’

Daeumler then observes: “But really, have the Galapagos finches made what could be called evolutionary changes, changes that in time could change them into something else? Or are these finches simply variations and adaptations that are common to all different, basic types of animals? The facts were clear to me: these finches were still finches and nothing else, and long ages of time were not making them change into something else.” "

I posted this on thread linked below and the guy quoted above replied! {and gave attribution I left out!} There was some baning ,and I didn't get to reply then.


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Galapagos Finches produce Galapagos Finches- same with the tortoises

" Naturalist guide Ronald Daeumler, who recently spent two years on the Galápagos, observed: “Frankly, I was astounded on learning that this was really Darwin’s most convincing reason to show that evolution was a possible explanation of the origin of the species. He reasoned that if the finch could, as he called it, evolve a new beak, then it was probable that it could also evolve into another animal if enough time was granted. Could this thinking really be the foundation that has caused so many millions of people to renounce the concept of an intelligent creator? Was this the strongest support that Darwin’s islands could give to evolution?

“As a guide I was really interested in being able to identify the different finches. But since they are called different species I had imagined that identification would be a very easy process. However, as I did research I came to realize that the differences between these so-called species were so small that many could be identified only by weighing or measuring different organs such as the heart or brain. As one author said: ‘It is only a very wise man or a fool who thinks he is able to identify all the finches which he sees.”’

Daeumler then observes: “But really, have the Galapagos finches made what could be called evolutionary changes, changes that in time could change them into something else? Or are these finches simply variations and adaptations that are common to all different, basic types of animals? The facts were clear to me: these finches were still finches and nothing else, and long ages of time were not making them change into something else.” "

I posted this on thread linked below and the guy quoted above replied! {and gave attribution I left out!} There was some baning ,and I didn't get to reply then.


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Thank fuck he's only a guide as he hasn't the first clue about evolution or the significance of the "finches".
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Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
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You think so? Give me one best example.

And this time try not to switch the word "kind" and "species" coz dumb atheists can't fathom the difference.
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God: So you atheists don't want to believe in me, I'll give you a dumb brain.

Atheist: Okay You don't exist.

God: I have no pleasure in sending you to Hell (Ezekiel 33:11) but it seems you wont repent, so be it.
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God: So you atheists don't want to believe in me, I'll give you a dumb brain.

Atheist: Okay You don't exist.

God: I have no pleasure in sending you to Hell (Ezekiel 33:11) but it seems you wont repent, so be it.
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So god's determining who will and who won't believe then punishing those who don't believe?

That seems fair.
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God: So you atheists don't want to believe in me, I'll give you a dumb brain.

Atheist: Okay You don't exist.

God: I have no pleasure in sending you to Hell (Ezekiel 33:11) but it seems you wont repent, so be it.
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So god's determining who will and who won't believe then punishing those who don't believe?

That seems fair.
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It's very fair. It says here:

but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die..?

- Ezekiel 33:11

Run to Christ and Be Saved my friend. Really simple
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^^^ God is determining His people of course, but We don't know who they are that's why we keep on spreading His word.

Be one of His my friend, and live for eternity in heaven.! :)
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Man.....I'm tired of this...

if it can't be explained it must be god, fucking aliens, or left over Putin shit .......it doesn't prove god it just means you don't know....


:DUH:
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I think it's more like this-
If it can't be explained?
""We "know" there is no God, so quick!! Let's start spewing insults at believers and then we can feel smart again!""
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I have never said there is no god......ever.....so fuck off dickhead.


There is no proof there is no god either.....but unlike you i'm open to concepts without just believing blindly because someone told me or it was written in a book.
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See, that's really presumptuous on your part. You don't know anything about me, really. Anyone's much more likely to have had someone tell them all about "evolution" and to have read about that in a book, than to have been taught about or to have read that other book you refer to.
you're "courageously" fighting an army of straw men.
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But I do srsly love your avatar and that doggie you have on this post- Thread: Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you?? (Page 7)
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Galapagos Finches produce Galapagos Finches- same with the tortoises

" Naturalist guide Ronald Daeumler, who recently spent two years on the Galápagos, observed: “Frankly, I was astounded on learning that this was really Darwin’s most convincing reason to show that evolution was a possible explanation of the origin of the species. He reasoned that if the finch could, as he called it, evolve a new beak, then it was probable that it could also evolve into another animal if enough time was granted. Could this thinking really be the foundation that has caused so many millions of people to renounce the concept of an intelligent creator? Was this the strongest support that Darwin’s islands could give to evolution?

“As a guide I was really interested in being able to identify the different finches. But since they are called different species I had imagined that identification would be a very easy process. However, as I did research I came to realize that the differences between these so-called species were so small that many could be identified only by weighing or measuring different organs such as the heart or brain. As one author said: ‘It is only a very wise man or a fool who thinks he is able to identify all the finches which he sees.”’

Daeumler then observes: “But really, have the Galapagos finches made what could be called evolutionary changes, changes that in time could change them into something else? Or are these finches simply variations and adaptations that are common to all different, basic types of animals? The facts were clear to me: these finches were still finches and nothing else, and long ages of time were not making them change into something else.” "

I posted this on thread linked below and the guy quoted above replied! {and gave attribution I left out!} There was some baning ,and I didn't get to reply then.


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Thank fuck he's only a guide as he hasn't the first clue about evolution or the significance of the "finches".
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And your "credentials" are______?

here's an earlier post from someone else who'd worked there, and reply to him, that you might like to take note of-
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Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
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You think so? Give me one best example.

And this time try not to switch the word "kind" and "species" coz dumb atheists can't fathom the difference.
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Can an oak tree reproduce with a lily? No, then its a genetic boundary..I got a few more.
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You are describing adapatation, or micro-evolution within a species, this is a fact which no one is debating. And your personal feelings are irrelevant.
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oh please enlighten me as to when micro evolution becomes macro evolution and then no longer true.

i tell you there are intergeneric crosses resulting in new plant species, (i can site examples) and you tell me these are adaptations within a species.

did you study reading comprehension in grade school?

finally no, we are not talking about my feelings irrevelant or otherwise, i did mention your gut feelings, about genesis, which is all you have to offer.

i offered observations that could point to evolution, but stated that they were not absolute proof of evolution.

and yes, it is incumbent on you to produce something other than tired, worn out scripture to lend credence to your inescapable facts.

please, tell me you have some evidence to point me towards creationism other than your feelings about what is true from your lifetime of bible study.

one more note, spare me the ken hovind videos produced in cell block d.
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Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
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What's a kind?
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Something that can bring forth with another of its kind.

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