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Message Subject Evolution was not proven true...until THIS.......I am SUCH the believer now- and you??
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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here are my personal observations as a botanist and a lifetime of commercial greenhouse operation.

there are intergeneric crosses in the plant word . these are rare but do exist. given billions of years, certainly these crosses would occur in nature, resulting in new species. yes, new species.

i have battled insects, that in a few short generations, become oblivious to the most toxic of sprays, and some (thrips) develop tendencies to move their young to places of safety until those sprays have dried.

and the ubiquitous apple tree, denied the natural defense of evolution,
cloned,(grafted) exactly the same genetic makeup, year on year generation upon generation. meanwhile the insects and disease pathogens who prey upon it, evolve yes i said evolve to thwart ever increasing applications of ever more toxic chemicals and expensive cultural practices.

the commercial varieties of apple tree is now the most sprayed economic crop in the world. these trees are helplessly dependent on the orchardist.

undeniable proof of evolution? certainly not. but to see these things in their progress is definitely an indication that an animal could,over generations develop a longer and longer neck to access hard to reach edible foliage.

of course, i can see why i should discard this experience in the face of your gut feelings and one chapter of a book you read.
 Quoting: david 33758960


You are describing adapatation, or micro-evolution within a species, this is a fact which no one is debating. And your personal feelings are irrelevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34515132


oh please enlighten me as to when micro evolution becomes macro evolution and then no longer true.

i tell you there are intergeneric crosses resulting in new plant species, (i can site examples) and you tell me these are adaptations within a species.

did you study reading comprehension in grade school?

finally no, we are not talking about my feelings irrevelant or otherwise, i did mention your gut feelings, about genesis, which is all you have to offer.

i offered observations that could point to evolution, but stated that they were not absolute proof of evolution.

and yes, it is incumbent on you to produce something other than tired, worn out scripture to lend credence to your inescapable facts.

please, tell me you have some evidence to point me towards creationism other than your feelings about what is true from your lifetime of bible study.

one more note, spare me the ken hovind videos produced in cell block d.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Sorry, even plants have genetic boundaries, and will not reproduce out of their kind. You might be confused with speciation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


What's a kind?
 
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