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Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon

 
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Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon
I have successfully implemented Michelle Chapront-Touze and Jean Chapront's "Lunar Tables and Programs" (taken straight from their book published in 1991) as an excel spreadsheet. It will give you the apparent position and orientation of the moon for any given date and time. Most moon phase calendars you can find online don't take into account field rotation, which requires knowing your location and the exact time. This spreadsheet does.

[link to www.filedropper.com]
Patched version (fixes quadrant disambiguation bug for azimuth, also better link):
[link to dropcanvas.com]

You can see that thing like the "Cheshire moon" are completely phenomena and indeed photographs like 108-KSC-71P-74 look exactly as they should.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

This isn't based on some "black box calculation" being done in a program like Stellarium or Celestia, it's right there in the spreadsheet and it's quite normal.

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Thanks for the pin!
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Shill
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Cool.


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Great, bookmarked.

Thanks
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What is a shill?
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Cool thread!

I also just wanted to point out that the Aurora 'shooting' occured on July 20th which was the anniversary of the first 'manned moon landing'. That was July 20, 1969. And the Newtown 'shooting' occured on December 14th which was the anniversary of the final 'manned moon landing' that was on Dec. 14, 1972.
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What is a shill?
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Someone who uses facts and logic.
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Fuck off
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Thanks for the info, Doc.

Next you'll be telling us that Jupiter didn't flip upside-down and 'Planet X' isn't real, haha.
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I just wish we could adjust it so its the same size it is over Skyrim. That is much more attractive.

Tides would be a little off...
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Cool video, thanks for sharing.
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Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.

I'm a digital imaging tech (former Xerox corp Trainer) and the (ten thousand) digital images I have worked on from NASA and astronomers for the past eight years, full-time, reveal ...

nothing, nothing, nothing LIKE what you guys SAY.

No, the Moon is not 2100 miles in diameter, 226K miles out.

No, simulations aren't the real thing, don't show the real thing.

No, Mars is not half the size of Earth; it's not much larger than our Moon.

No, et cetera and so forth.

So, call me names if that makes you feel good.

But I take every single word you say, with a pound of salt.

Have a nice weekend.

:) Chai
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What does it look like from Nibiru ?
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But I take every single word you say, with a pound of salt.
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So wait...does this mean you trust in him a great deal? I'm confused?

Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.

I'm a digital imaging tech (former Xerox corp Trainer) and the (ten thousand) digital images I have worked on from NASA and astronomers for the past eight years, full-time, reveal ...

nothing, nothing, nothing LIKE what you guys SAY.

No, the Moon is not 2100 miles in diameter, 226K miles out.

No, simulations aren't the real thing, don't show the real thing.

No, Mars is not half the size of Earth; it's not much larger than our Moon.

No, et cetera and so forth.

So, call me names if that makes you feel good.

But I take every single word you say, with a pound of salt.

Have a nice weekend.

:) Chai
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yeah

bump

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Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.
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So, in other words you're all...
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The calculations are all right there. When the weather clears up around here I'll take some fresh pictures to put this spreadsheet through its paces, but I can tell you right now I know from first hand experiencing bouncing radio waves off the moon (at my brother's ham radio club) that it's the distance "they" say it is. If you don't believe me I would encourage you to go find out for yourself by visiting a ham club that does EME bouncing.
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Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.
 Quoting: Pinocchia 34507000


So, in other words you're all...
lala
The calculations are all right there. When the weather clears up around here I'll take some fresh pictures to put this spreadsheet through its paces, but I can tell you right now I know from first hand experiencing bouncing radio waves off the moon (at my brother's ham radio club) that it's the distance "they" say it is. If you don't believe me I would encourage you to go find out for yourself by visiting a ham club that does EME bouncing.
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Hill Billy's do it all the time

lol

all about EME
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so how this 1991 crap helped 12 asstronots to land on moonkey

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I'm tired, so whatever this is it seems really complicated.
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Here's a patched version, there was a problem with the quadrant disambiguation for azimuth which could lead to screwy values in some instances (>360 degrees azimuth!)
[link to www.filedropper.com]
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so how this 1991 crap helped 12 asstronots to land on moonkey

cruise
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They used a different method of determining the moon's position. It derived from the work of Ernest Brown ( [link to projecteuclid.org] ) which was further refined and fully implemented by Wallace Eckert in his "Improved Lunar Ephemeris." The book I used utilizes an analytical method which lends itself to spreadsheet implementation.

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What is a shill?
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Anyone who doesn't believe bullshit.
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I'm tired, so whatever this is it seems really complicated.
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Heh, well it was complicated to put together, but it's quite simple to use.
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cheers, im going to give it a go tonight.cool2
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
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Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743805


Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
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I remember that thread.

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

damned

until page 21 lol
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
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AH. But there in lies the problem. You have questions. He has answers. Therefore you must ask the right question the right way for him to answer them honestly.

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Common sense, intuition, memory,creativity,and ethics. In such a generous context it would be easy to see that reason on its own is little more than a mechanism devoid of meaning, purpose and direction.

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