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# Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon

Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 03:42 AM

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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743805

Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

until page 21 lol
Quoting: Dr. Acula

Yeah, that was no fun. I knew I was going to take shit for it, but I was really kind of surprised at some of the responses telling me I shouldn't have said anything if I thought it was wrong. I thought that's what I had been accused of all these years, covering up unexpected results because I thought or was told to think they were wrong!
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02/16/2013 03:50 AM
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743805

Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

until page 21 lol
Quoting: Dr. Acula

Yeah, that was no fun. I knew I was going to take shit for it, but I was really kind of surprised at some of the responses telling me I shouldn't have said anything if I thought it was wrong. I thought that's what I had been accused of all these years, covering up unexpected results because I thought or was told to think they were wrong!
Quoting: Dr. Astro

i appreciate your efforts, im just a baby astrotard and ive learnt heaps in the past few months(and i am more a creative type so some things arent exactly in my nature-besides wanting to learn).

I fell for you because you cannot win in here Dr.Astro.
the past 48hrs has shown that yet again, but you are appreciated- and from what ive seen you have some very loyal glp friends.;-)
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02/16/2013 03:52 AM
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erm *feel not fell lol.
damn im sure you dont need a stalker lmao.
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02/16/2013 03:52 AM
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What is a shill?
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Someone who uses facts and logic.
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At the wrong place.
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02/16/2013 03:55 AM

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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743805

Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

until page 21 lol
Quoting: Dr. Acula

Yeah, that was no fun. I knew I was going to take shit for it, but I was really kind of surprised at some of the responses telling me I shouldn't have said anything if I thought it was wrong. I thought that's what I had been accused of all these years, covering up unexpected results because I thought or was told to think they were wrong!
Quoting: Dr. Astro

ahhh it was kinda fun lol

and people are crazy. lol
no matter what they are gonna argue the opposite.
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. ... That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave." - General Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
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02/16/2013 04:01 AM

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Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

until page 21 lol
Quoting: Dr. Acula

Yeah, that was no fun. I knew I was going to take shit for it, but I was really kind of surprised at some of the responses telling me I shouldn't have said anything if I thought it was wrong. I thought that's what I had been accused of all these years, covering up unexpected results because I thought or was told to think they were wrong!
Quoting: Dr. Astro

ahhh it was kinda fun lol

and people are crazy. lol
no matter what they are gonna argue the opposite.
Quoting: Dr. Acula

Very true. I should be thanking those kinds of people. Had it not been for them I never would have gone to all this trouble just to calculate something which has already been done. It was an extremely educational and fun journey though, as it always is with these sorts of things. That's really my favorite part of debunking like this, the skills you pick up and the things you learn in the process.
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02/16/2013 04:34 AM
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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 04:46 AM

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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Oh? Then why is the moon's moment of inertia nearly that of a homogenous sphere at .4 (just slightly less than that, indicating greater density near the center than at the surface [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com] ) instead of a hollow sphere at .66? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )
Anonymous Coward
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02/16/2013 04:59 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
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02/16/2013 05:00 AM

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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

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02/16/2013 05:05 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Anonymous Coward
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02/16/2013 05:07 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34493607

LOL,

I see. I would just head over to NASA's website or spaceweather or even Cloudynights if I wanted clarification on info like that.

I come here for bigfoot and the aliens.
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02/16/2013 05:08 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 05:09 AM

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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34493607

Bingo. Some have claimed that you must rely upon NASA or the US Naval Observatory to calculate the position of the moon (and naturally they're just covering anomalies in its position and orientation). That is not true, you can calculate it yourself as I demonstrated.
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02/16/2013 05:10 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

its cuz astrotard LOVES telling everyone on the internet how smart he is....the guy is the most ridiculous human i have come across in my life....theyr really stretching to find good shills these days...

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02/16/2013 05:13 AM
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34493607

Bingo. Some have claimed that you must rely upon NASA or the US Naval Observatory to calculate the position of the moon (and naturally they're just covering anomalies in its position and orientation). That is not true, you can calculate it yourself as I demonstrated.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I have a GOTO telescope. Once I complete the two star alignemnt during intial setup, it will instantly point to any of the space objects in it's database.

If any object(earth, moon, stars, etc.) were not where they were supposed to be, I assume it would not be able to locate them.

correct?
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02/16/2013 05:17 AM
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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Oh? Then why is the moon's moment of inertia nearly that of a homogenous sphere at .4 (just slightly less than that, indicating greater density near the center than at the surface [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com] ) instead of a hollow sphere at .66? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )
Quoting: Dr. Astro

LOL.

You coming up with wikipedia as evidence?

You know most people dont know this and dont believe this but i know its true. Can feel the truth in it.
Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 05:20 AM

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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Oh? Then why is the moon's moment of inertia nearly that of a homogenous sphere at .4 (just slightly less than that, indicating greater density near the center than at the surface [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com] ) instead of a hollow sphere at .66? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )
Quoting: Dr. Astro

LOL.

You coming up with wikipedia as evidence?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Actuall the evidence is the journal article, wiki is just a reference for the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere. That's a fact you can confirm elsewhere if you like.
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02/16/2013 05:27 AM
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Hey Dr Astro, did u know the Moon is a spaceship that was made by ET's and dragged here? Its hollow.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Oh? Then why is the moon's moment of inertia nearly that of a homogenous sphere at .4 (just slightly less than that, indicating greater density near the center than at the surface [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com] ) instead of a hollow sphere at .66? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )
Quoting: Dr. Astro

LOL.

You coming up with wikipedia as evidence?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Actuall the evidence is the journal article, wiki is just a reference for the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere. That's a fact you can confirm elsewhere if you like.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Ok well facts can be changed man. Science is learning everyday.

It is also supposed to be a fact that beings cannot travel faster then light, still ET's are here and can travel faster then light.
Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 05:31 AM

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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34493607

Bingo. Some have claimed that you must rely upon NASA or the US Naval Observatory to calculate the position of the moon (and naturally they're just covering anomalies in its position and orientation). That is not true, you can calculate it yourself as I demonstrated.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I have a GOTO telescope. Once I complete the two star alignemnt during intial setup, it will instantly point to any of the space objects in it's database.

If any object(earth, moon, stars, etc.) were not where they were supposed to be, I assume it would not be able to locate them.

correct?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

Correct. You just reminded me of an important point I forgot to mention in my video; the coordinates given are apparent RA and Dec, at the equinox of the observation date (that part I mentioned) - most GOTO telescopes expect to receive (and display) coordinates for manual slews in J2000.0 format, not apparent RA and Dec at the observation equinox.
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Oh? Then why is the moon's moment of inertia nearly that of a homogenous sphere at .4 (just slightly less than that, indicating greater density near the center than at the surface [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com] ) instead of a hollow sphere at .66? ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )
Quoting: Dr. Astro

LOL.

You coming up with wikipedia as evidence?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Actuall the evidence is the journal article, wiki is just a reference for the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere. That's a fact you can confirm elsewhere if you like.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Ok well facts can be changed man. Science is learning everyday.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Are you really going to try to argue about the moment of inertia of a hollow vs homogenous sphere? Really? It's things like this that make me think we'll never make it as a race. Just plain willful ignorance.
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Sorry.

Armillary Sphere.
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02/16/2013 05:48 AM

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Wish I had one of those, they're so beautiful. I think I saw an observational armillary on display at the Smithsonian the last time I was there. Elegance and functionality all in one.
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Yeah sorry that was spam.
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I have a GOTO telescope. Once I complete the two star alignemnt during intial setup, it will instantly point to any of the space objects in it's database.

If any object(earth, moon, stars, etc.) were not where they were supposed to be, I assume it would not be able to locate them.

correct?
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Correct. You just reminded me of an important point I forgot to mention in my video; the coordinates given are apparent RA and Dec, at the equinox of the observation date (that part I mentioned) - most GOTO telescopes expect to receive (and display) coordinates for manual slews in J2000.0 format, not apparent RA and Dec at the observation equinox.

Yeah, i was gonna say something if you didn't bring it up.

lol

In all seriousness Dr. Astro, I don't think most folks have the math background or ability to do all those calculations by hand.And I include myself in that group.

I've been into amateur astronomy for 30 years. I can starhop reasonably well. I can find venus, mars, jupiter and saturn when they are visible and most of the night skies other really interesting visual treats. I may be lost on the math behind it all, but not the logic or beauty.

I don't believe a person has to be a math guru to appreciate or enjoy astronomy. I am living proof.
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02/16/2013 06:00 AM

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Another important side-note. The altitude-azimuth coordinates are corrected for atmospheric refraction as noted in the video, but the apparent RA and Dec are not. They are corrected for aberration and nutation, however.
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

because hes trying to teach people how to work out for themselves if the"moon is in the wrong place" or"the moon is upsidedown" or..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34493607

Bingo. Some have claimed that you must rely upon NASA or the US Naval Observatory to calculate the position of the moon (and naturally they're just covering anomalies in its position and orientation). That is not true, you can calculate it yourself as I demonstrated.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I have a GOTO telescope. Once I complete the two star alignemnt during intial setup, it will instantly point to any of the space objects in it's database.

If any object(earth, moon, stars, etc.) were not where they were supposed to be, I assume it would not be able to locate them.

correct?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

Correct. I also have a GOTO scope. It's a 10" Dobsonian.
Dr. Astro (OP)
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02/16/2013 06:09 AM

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Yeah, i was gonna say something if you didn't bring it up.

lol

In all seriousness Dr. Astro, I don't think most folks have the math background or ability to do all those calculations by hand.And I include myself in that group.

I've been into amateur astronomy for 30 years. I can starhop reasonably well. I can find venus, mars, jupiter and saturn when they are visible and most of the night skies other really interesting visual treats. I may be lost on the math behind it all, but not the logic or beauty.

I don't believe a person has to be a math guru to appreciate or enjoy astronomy. I am living proof.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23593400

I agree, I'm not saying they do. I enjoy doing these calculations, and hopefully creating a useful tool others can use in the process. Some folks think the moon shouldn't "look tilted," so it's nice to be able to show how it's possible to calculate what it should look like for yourself.
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LOL.

You coming up with wikipedia as evidence?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Actuall the evidence is the journal article, wiki is just a reference for the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere. That's a fact you can confirm elsewhere if you like.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Ok well facts can be changed man. Science is learning everyday.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14117924

Are you really going to try to argue about the moment of inertia of a hollow vs homogenous sphere? Really? It's things like this that make me think we'll never make it as a race. Just plain willful ignorance.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Im not arguing. Im just saying that science learns. Its not a solid fact. Its more that people like you why we will never make it as a race. You are ,just like most scientists like a horse with a blindfold, you are not openminded but just follow the path that others also followed.

So open your mind. Go and watch some lectures from Nassim Harramein or others like him.