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Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon

 
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Actuall the evidence is the journal article, wiki is just a reference for the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere. That's a fact you can confirm elsewhere if you like.
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Ok well facts can be changed man. Science is learning everyday.
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Are you really going to try to argue about the moment of inertia of a hollow vs homogenous sphere? Really? It's things like this that make me think we'll never make it as a race. Just plain willful ignorance.
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Im not arguing. Im just saying that science learns. Its not a solid fact.
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Yes actually it is. We're not talking about dark matter here, we're talking about an easily demonstrable physical property, high school level stuff. If we can't even agree on that without having to debate the reality of it, we will never get anywhere as a race. If there are aliens here who can travel faster than light, they're laughing at crap like this.
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Very nice Astronut.

The only problem is the woo-woos who argue against science haven't even the capability to express their local time as UT.
Yes, it's true. The people who will argue against something like the maths in this spreadsheet cannot do the simple conversion from UT to their local time and get it correct.
What are the odds they understand anything?
What are the odds they just lash out at science in an ignorant zealotry because they feel disenfranchised from participating in the modern technological world and wish we'd go back to something like a sophomoric Renaissance Fair?

You may as well be addressing the cat.

In any event, are you getting ready for 2011L4 PxxSxxxxs?
A preemptive predictive strike(post) may be called for.

Have fun.


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Very nice Astronut.

The only problem is the woo-woos who argue against science haven't even the capability to express their local time as UT.
Yes, it's true. The people who will argue against something like the maths in this spreadsheet cannot do the simple conversion from UT to their local time and get it correct.
What are the odds they understand anything?
What are the odds they just lash out at science in an ignorant zealotry because they feel disenfranchised from participating in the modern technological world and wish we'd go back to something like a sophomoric Renaissance Fair?

You may as well be addressing the cat.
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LOL, point well taken. Well I'd do it all again even if no one else got any benefit out of it; it was quite a fun and educational journey assembling it. Gave me a chance to dust off some skills I hadn't used in a while.
In any event, are you getting ready for 2011L4 PxxSxxxxs?
A preemptive predictive strike(post) may be called for.

Have fun.


R.
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Oooh, wise man. Yes, that would probably be a smart move.
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[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]

#fail

moon want actually there in the original picture .it was a composite image .moon was later added by nasa for aesthetic symbolism ttb2
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[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]

#fail

moon want actually there in the original picture .it was a composite image .moon was later added by nasa for aesthetic symbolism ttb2
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That's a completely different picture. It's not even from the same Apollo mission (17, mine was from 14).
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Plagiarism
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
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its cuz astrotard LOVES telling everyone on the internet how smart he is....the guy is the most ridiculous human i have come across in my life....theyr really stretching to find good shills these days...


hf
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Lol yeah.... everyone in the forum already know that about this tard haha :) +1
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Plagiarism
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I cited the book that I drew the lunar tables from, so how is that plagiarism?
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I must be missing something here.

What is the point of posting ways of calculating the moons orbit?

Is there a demand for such knowledge on a conspiracy website?
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its cuz astrotard LOVES telling everyone on the internet how smart he is....the guy is the most ridiculous human i have come across in my life....theyr really stretching to find good shills these days...


hf
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Lol yeah.... everyone in the forum already know that about this tard haha :) +1
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Thread: the moon is sideways
Thread: The Moon Contiunues To Be Seen Often In Sideway Mode Even in the Northern Latitude Regions
Thread: Anyone else notice the moon sideways tonight?
Thread: The MAN IN THE MOON is SIDEWAYS, LOOK AT THE MOON.
Thread: Is the moon sideways?
Thread: ~ MOON TILT 90 DEGREES IN 8 HOURS-? ~

Now just what do you suppose might have inspired me to make this thread? Hmmm?
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Dr. Astro,

What is your opinion on the Ancient Alien theory?
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Dr. Astro,

What is your opinion on the Ancient Alien theory?
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Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.

I'm a digital imaging tech (former Xerox corp Trainer) and the (ten thousand) digital images I have worked on from NASA and astronomers for the past eight years, full-time, reveal ...

nothing, nothing, nothing LIKE what you guys SAY.

No, the Moon is not 2100 miles in diameter, 226K miles out.

No, simulations aren't the real thing, don't show the real thing.

No, Mars is not half the size of Earth; it's not much larger than our Moon.

No, et cetera and so forth.

So, call me names if that makes you feel good.

But I take every single word you say, with a pound of salt.

Have a nice weekend.

:) Chai
 Quoting: Pinocchia 34507000


Bet you can't prove the bolded statement. Especially when ANYONE can get the distance and size of the moon with basic geometry from their backyard.
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Calculating the...

Position of moon: Doggy style
Orientation: Bisexual / Necrophiliac
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I have successfully implemented Michelle Chapront-Touze and Jean Chapront's "Lunar Tables and Programs" (taken straight from their book published in 1991) as an excel spreadsheet. It will give you the apparent position and orientation of the moon for any given date and time. Most moon phase calendars you can find online don't take into account field rotation, which requires knowing your location and the exact time. This spreadsheet does.

[link to www.filedropper.com]
Patched version (fixes quadrant disambiguation bug for azimuth):
[link to www.filedropper.com]

You can see that thing like the "Cheshire moon" are completely phenomena and indeed photographs like 108-KSC-71P-74 look exactly as they should.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

This isn't based on some "black box calculation" being done in a program like Stellarium or Celestia, it's right there in the spreadsheet and it's quite normal.
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Can I have the next question please? This ass wipe wants to convince us he is still relevant and keep the our minds pointed in another direction. Like not asking the question why NASA was not aware of the second meteor intersecting earth's atmosphere within two (2) hours of each other. One of the meteors making contact with earth and all scientists called to MSM and some to radio shows are given their spills in lock steps, trying to convince the public it was just a coincidence that these two meteors appeared about the same time and nearly about the same distance from earth; yep, that's right. Oh, and I got some land in florida for sale and it is going for a sweet deal too.
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Hi Dr. Astro, I downloaded the Youtube (it was good).

I also downloaded the two excel files, they were both damaged by Filedropper.

Please test for yourself.

Thanks in advance

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Hi Dr. Astro, I downloaded the Youtube (it was good).

I also downloaded the two excel files, they were both damaged by Filedropper.

Please test for yourself.

Thanks in advance

bump
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Sorry Dr. Astro , I was not logged in.

The files are damaged, have no functionality and have a large text concerning filedropper in them.
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Dear Doctor Astrotard,

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you ... not a word.
 Quoting: Pinocchia 34507000


So, in other words you're all...
lala
The calculations are all right there. When the weather clears up around here I'll take some fresh pictures to put this spreadsheet through its paces, but I can tell you right now I know from first hand experiencing bouncing radio waves off the moon (at my brother's ham radio club) that it's the distance "they" say it is. If you don't believe me I would encourage you to go find out for yourself by visiting a ham club that does EME bouncing.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Same thing with Earths gravity. I remember once a LONG LONG time ago in grade school we did a group project. We measured the distance of the Moon via weight, velocity and Earths gravity.

I don't remember much but we learned some neat facts. It was back then I learned how chaotic the Moon's orbit appeared (simple to understand today) which opened a lot of our minds.


You guys want a REAL conspiracy! Look into the Fake cold war and how the US and Russia teamed up beyond the public space programs.

The Cold War was a BS program designed to approve LOTS of funding into black projects.


btw, there is a dead cosmonaut orbiting the Moon. Killed by Lunar biology. He was never picked up because they knew he was contaminated. He was killed in isolation to prevent a biological catastrophe.
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I have successfully implemented Michelle Chapront-Touze and Jean Chapront's "Lunar Tables and Programs" (taken straight from their book published in 1991) as an excel spreadsheet. It will give you the apparent position and orientation of the moon for any given date and time. Most moon phase calendars you can find online don't take into account field rotation, which requires knowing your location and the exact time. This spreadsheet does.

[link to www.filedropper.com]
Patched version (fixes quadrant disambiguation bug for azimuth):
[link to www.filedropper.com]

You can see that thing like the "Cheshire moon" are completely phenomena and indeed photographs like 108-KSC-71P-74 look exactly as they should.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

This isn't based on some "black box calculation" being done in a program like Stellarium or Celestia, it's right there in the spreadsheet and it's quite normal.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Can I have the next question please? This ass wipe wants to convince us he is still relevant and keep the our minds pointed in another direction. Like not asking the question why NASA was not aware of the second meteor intersecting earth's atmosphere within two (2) hours of each other. One of the meteors making contact with earth and all scientists called to MSM and some to radio shows are given their spills in lock steps, trying to convince the public it was just a coincidence that these two meteors appeared about the same time and nearly about the same distance from earth; yep, that's right. Oh, and I got some land in florida for sale and it is going for a sweet deal too.
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Look, it's really unfortunate that we can't detect meteoroids and asteroids that approach from the day side of earth, it really makes us quite vulnerable, but that's just how it is at the moment.
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Hi Dr. Astro, I downloaded the Youtube (it was good).

I also downloaded the two excel files, they were both damaged by Filedropper.

Please test for yourself.

Thanks in advance

bump
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Sorry Dr. Astro , I was not logged in.

The files are damaged, have no functionality and have a large text concerning filedropper in them.
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I downloaded on two different computers and it worked fine. That's quite strange. Here's an alternative link:
[link to dropcanvas.com]
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OP.

I've always loved your put downs of some of the weirdos that just refuse to believe you - whether you are right or wrong is not my point.

One quetion I ask from you. Hand on heart IF there ever came a time when you knew for sure that something was not right, would you 'fess up and do your best to help spread the word?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17743805


Absolutely! I always report my results honestly, even when they conflict with what I expect, even if I have good reason to suspect they're faulty (of course I report it as such).
Thread: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I remember that thread.

I remember watching it very closely with the look of

damned

until page 21 lol
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Yeah, that was no fun. I knew I was going to take shit for it, but I was really kind of surprised at some of the responses telling me I shouldn't have said anything if I thought it was wrong. I thought that's what I had been accused of all these years, covering up unexpected results because I thought or was told to think they were wrong!
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It's GLP, I've once been called a Muzzie Lover and a zionist shill in the same thread...
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Hi Dr. Astro, I downloaded the Youtube (it was good).

I also downloaded the two excel files, they were both damaged by Filedropper.

Please test for yourself.

Thanks in advance

bump
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Sorry Dr. Astro , I was not logged in.

The files are damaged, have no functionality and have a large text concerning filedropper in them.
 Quoting: grumpier


I downloaded on two different computers and it worked fine. That's quite strange. Here's an alternative link:
[link to dropcanvas.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks dr. Astro that one is OK!!!!!
This one is 273 KB
The other two showed 9 KB!

Thanks for all the work you did in this!!
Maybe I will give it a try tomorrow.

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Astro. It would be cool if you can get a developer to get your stuff on smartphone apps.
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Dr. Astro,

What is your opinion on the Ancient Alien theory?
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:tsoukalos:
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Hi Dr. Astro, I downloaded the Youtube (it was good).

I also downloaded the two excel files, they were both damaged by Filedropper.

Please test for yourself.

Thanks in advance

bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1189758


Sorry Dr. Astro , I was not logged in.

The files are damaged, have no functionality and have a large text concerning filedropper in them.
 Quoting: grumpier


I downloaded on two different computers and it worked fine. That's quite strange. Here's an alternative link:
[link to dropcanvas.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks dr. Astro that one is OK!!!!!
This one is 273 KB
The other two showed 9 KB!

Thanks for all the work you did in this!!
Maybe I will give it a try tomorrow.

smile_kisscheers
 Quoting: grumpier

No problem, glad that one works. I just updated the file to fix another quadrant disambiguation bug.
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do you have any idea how much doom you just vaporized?

but cool, science rules!

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I have successfully implemented Michelle Chapront-Touze and Jean Chapront's "Lunar Tables and Programs" (taken straight from their book published in 1991) as an excel spreadsheet. It will give you the apparent position and orientation of the moon for any given date and time. Most moon phase calendars you can find online don't take into account field rotation, which requires knowing your location and the exact time. This spreadsheet does.

[link to www.filedropper.com]
Patched version (fixes quadrant disambiguation bug for azimuth, also better link):
[link to dropcanvas.com]

You can see that thing like the "Cheshire moon" are completely phenomena and indeed photographs like 108-KSC-71P-74 look exactly as they should.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

This isn't based on some "black box calculation" being done in a program like Stellarium or Celestia, it's right there in the spreadsheet and it's quite normal.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks Doc.
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Dr.Astro,off topic question if i may,all the comets,meteorite,etc thats in the news lately,is this more than normal,or in this info age we're more informed? Thank you for your interesting work
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Astro. It would be cool if you can get a developer to get your stuff on smartphone apps.
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Now that's an excellent idea.

I might just volunteer to do that.
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One or two are excellent but the vast majority are a poor standard which is probably why they are free but full of ads. It would be awesome if you and Astro could team up ,��
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Come on people.. The moon is right where its suppose to be. Astro is right on.rockon
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Sweet. Thanks, doc :-) +1 for you!

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