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Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?

 
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Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
As I said in other posts, Sandy Hook elementary school mass-shooting was not a hoax but a real event that did take place in December 14 2012 in Newtown and real people died.

Authorities, politicians and MSM had take advantage of this event, shaping the story (false flag) for their convenience or agenda, in what really happened that day.

So, what is the "false flag"?
One of the answer belongs to the type of rifle that was been used: - "What we should say to the sheep, it was an AUTOMATIC or SEMIAUTOMATIC rifle that the shooter had used?" -

Well... after hours of thinking and consultations, they (the authorities) choose to say to the sheep (morons) that it was a semiautomatic rifle that caused the last mass-shooting.
Automatic weapons are already banned from regular citizens, what it is left, it remains to ban the semiautomatic weapons (Pistols can fall on the semiautomatic weapon to).

From the Chief medical examiner Dr. H Wayne Carver II:
- from seven body that he examined those bodies had 3 to 11 wounds -
[link to video.foxnews.com]

3 to 11 wounds? It's not bad from a semiautomatic rifle!

The officials said that a Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips was found inside the school.

The XM15-E2S rifle:
This Operating Manual covers all Bushmaster XM15 E2S and Carbon 15 models chambered for 5.56mm NATO/.223 Remington ammunition. They are lightweight, gas operated, air-cooled,
magazine-fed rifles, carbines or pistols that are Semi-Automatic in operating mode (i.e., a single
round will fire each time the trigger is pulled)
.
Note: For Law Enforcement and Military markets, Bushmaster makes similar models in either Full-Automatic (continuous fire as long as the trigger is pulled) or Three Round Burst (a group of 3 shots will fire as long as the trigger is pulled) configurations. Sales of these models require special permits and are regulated by ATF
[link to www.bushmaster.com]

Interesting, I found what this resident of Sandy Hook had to say:

Let Common Sense Prevail
To the Editor: [link to newtownbee.com]
by: Alan Brown
Sand Hill Road, Sandy Hook
February 8. 2013
... "As a responsible gun owner, I do not feel the need to own or even use an automatic weapon with high capacity clips. It is useless to hunt with. There is no skill in target shooting with it. They are designed for one purpose only, to kill as many as possible in as short amount of time as possible. Basically a weapon of mass murder. An armed police officer at any school or other building is absolutely defenseless when confronted by one of these. ...

This "responsible gun owner" it should know the difference between AUTOMATIC AND SEMIAUTOMATIC rifle... so why he mentioned automatic weapon in his comment?

Officer Chapman from Newtown police said:
We made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot while gunfire could still be heard.

“I got out of the car and grabbed my rifle and it stopped for second,” Officer Chapman said. “But then we heard more popping. You could tell it was rifle fire. And it was up so close, it sounded like it was coming from outside. So we were all looking around for someone to shoot back at.”

"You could tell it was rifle fire?" Oh... YAP! Because the rifle was shooting in a 3 to Automatic mode.

Have a nice day.
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02/16/2013 11:49 AM
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
As I said in other posts, Sandy Hook elementary school mass-shooting was not a hoax but a real event that did take place in December 14 2012 in Newtown and real people died.

Authorities, politicians and MSM had take advantage of this event, shaping the story (false flag) for their convenience or agenda, in what really happened that day.

So, what is the "false flag"?
One of the answer belongs to the type of rifle that was been used: - "What we should say to the sheep, it was an AUTOMATIC or SEMIAUTOMATIC rifle that the shooter had used?" -

Well... after hours of thinking and consultations, they (the authorities) choose to say to the sheep (morons) that it was a semiautomatic rifle that caused the last mass-shooting.
Automatic weapons are already banned from regular citizens, what it is left, it remains to ban the semiautomatic weapons (Pistols can fall on the semiautomatic weapon to).

From the Chief medical examiner Dr. H Wayne Carver II:
- from seven body that he examined those bodies had 3 to 11 wounds -
[link to video.foxnews.com]

3 to 11 wounds? It's not bad from a semiautomatic rifle!

The officials said that a Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips was found inside the school.

The XM15-E2S rifle:
This Operating Manual covers all Bushmaster XM15 E2S and Carbon 15 models chambered for 5.56mm NATO/.223 Remington ammunition. They are lightweight, gas operated, air-cooled,
magazine-fed rifles, carbines or pistols that are Semi-Automatic in operating mode (i.e., a single
round will fire each time the trigger is pulled)
.
Note: For Law Enforcement and Military markets, Bushmaster makes similar models in either Full-Automatic (continuous fire as long as the trigger is pulled) or Three Round Burst (a group of 3 shots will fire as long as the trigger is pulled) configurations. Sales of these models require special permits and are regulated by ATF
[link to www.bushmaster.com]

Interesting, I found what this resident of Sandy Hook had to say:

Let Common Sense Prevail
To the Editor: [link to newtownbee.com]
by: Alan Brown
Sand Hill Road, Sandy Hook
February 8. 2013
... "As a responsible gun owner, I do not feel the need to own or even use an automatic weapon with high capacity clips. It is useless to hunt with. There is no skill in target shooting with it. They are designed for one purpose only, to kill as many as possible in as short amount of time as possible. Basically a weapon of mass murder. An armed police officer at any school or other building is absolutely defenseless when confronted by one of these. ...

This "responsible gun owner" it should know the difference between AUTOMATIC AND SEMIAUTOMATIC rifle... so why he mentioned automatic weapon in his comment?

Officer Chapman from Newtown police said:
We made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot while gunfire could still be heard.

“I got out of the car and grabbed my rifle and it stopped for second,” Officer Chapman said. “But then we heard more popping. You could tell it was rifle fire. And it was up so close, it sounded like it was coming from outside. So we were all looking around for someone to shoot back at.”

"You could tell it was rifle fire?" Oh... YAP! Because the rifle was shooting in a 3 to Automatic mode.

Have a nice day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784


Of course "they" want to mess about the guns used.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

"Nancy Lanza loved guns, and often took her sons to one of the shooting ranges here in the suburbs northeast of New York City, where there is an active community of gun enthusiasts, her friends said."


and then the ATF speaking:
[link to imagesource.cnn.com]

"One rumor that seems to be floating around is that of the mother, and the shooter, the fact that they frequented gun ranges. We have found that not to be true. "
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02/16/2013 12:20 PM
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
This was my first "aha" moment when it came to Sandy Hook after listening to Carver's comments of 3 - 11 wounds apiece. The other factor is how did one person shoot so many times in around 5 minutes? If every victim had an average of 6 wounds x 26 that's 156 rounds not including misses. So we're talking at least 200 rounds or 7 or more clips. Given the above parameters single shots are a near impossibility. It was the bottom figure of at least 3 wounds that tipped me off to the idea of burst fire. Who the hell is going to take the time to pull the trigger 11 times just for one victim? The whole idea becomes ludicrous.

There is another possibility and that is that a shotgun was the primary weapon and each victim was hit with a minimum of 3 pieces of buckshot. Each shell carries around 7 balls and divided by 200 only amounts to 30 shells. Using the clip-fed Saiga that was in the trunk such a feat would have been far more feasible.

The other evidence that tends to support the idea of the shotgun as the murder weapon was:
1) Eyewitness accounts who heard thuds/ pots falling/kicking a door/pops / booms etc. Not the sharp crack of rifle fire yet could also be describing pistol fire. The only who claimed they heard "rifle fire" was the Newtown police.

2) the fact the M.E. would not allow the families to see the bodies but used photographs to identify the victims. A shotgun would disfigure the victims far more than a rifle or small arm ever could regardless of the ammunition type used.

3) Damage seen to the glass near the entrance plus a shotgun shell seen in the parking lot in the picture of the 2 women running with a child and a police officer from the school. Enlarge the picture and look to the right behind the line of cars - you'll see it.

I authored 2 threads on a different site about this very subject but can't mention where due to competitive/legal issues.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
This was my first "aha" moment when it came to Sandy Hook after listening to Carver's comments of 3 - 11 wounds apiece. The other factor is how did one person shoot so many times in around 5 minutes? If every victim had an average of 6 wounds x 26 that's 156 rounds not including misses. So we're talking at least 200 rounds or 7 or more clips. Given the above parameters single shots are a near impossibility. It was the bottom figure of at least 3 wounds that tipped me off to the idea of burst fire. Who the hell is going to take the time to pull the trigger 11 times just for one victim? The whole idea becomes ludicrous.

There is another possibility and that is that a shotgun was the primary weapon and each victim was hit with a minimum of 3 pieces of buckshot. Each shell carries around 7 balls and divided by 200 only amounts to 30 shells. Using the clip-fed Saiga that was in the trunk such a feat would have been far more feasible.

The other evidence that tends to support the idea of the shotgun as the murder weapon was:
1) Eyewitness accounts who heard thuds/ pots falling/kicking a door/pops / booms etc. Not the sharp crack of rifle fire yet could also be describing pistol fire. The only who claimed they heard "rifle fire" was the Newtown police.

2) the fact the M.E. would not allow the families to see the bodies but used photographs to identify the victims. A shotgun would disfigure the victims far more than a rifle or small arm ever could regardless of the ammunition type used.

3) Damage seen to the glass near the entrance plus a shotgun shell seen in the parking lot in the picture of the 2 women running with a child and a police officer from the school. Enlarge the picture and look to the right behind the line of cars - you'll see it.

I authored 2 threads on a different site about this very subject but can't mention where due to competitive/legal issues.
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02/16/2013 12:24 PM
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
A triple post? wth? Sorry, I have no clue why this happened.
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02/16/2013 02:38 PM
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
Hum... Weird that I didn't get "assaulted" from this post yet.

Yes. An AUTOMATIC weapon was used at Sandy Hook school mass-shooting.

So what's next?
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02/16/2013 05:26 PM
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
Automatic fire is not used to "kill as many people as possible" unless it's a large machine gun. Automatic fire on a rifle is a waste of ammunition and is usually used as suppression fire (so the bad guys take cover while your friends move into a good position). The three round or single shot are used for killing.
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Automatic fire is not used to "kill as many people as possible" unless it's a large machine gun. Automatic fire on a rifle is a waste of ammunition and is usually used as suppression fire (so the bad guys take cover while your friends move into a good position). The three round or single shot are used for killing.
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Oh Yea????


neener2
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Automatic fire is not used to "kill as many people as possible" unless it's a large machine gun. Automatic fire on a rifle is a waste of ammunition and is usually used as suppression fire (so the bad guys take cover while your friends move into a good position). The three round or single shot are used for killing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27785673


Oh Yea????


neener2
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Yeah. It's basic tactics.

[link to rdl.train.army.mil (secure)]

The Infantry fire team is designed as a self-contained team (Figure 1-5). The automatic rifleman (AR) provides an internal base of fire with the ability to deliver sustained suppressive small arms fire on area targets. The rifleman provides accurate lethal direct fire for point targets. The grenadier provides high explosive (HE) indirect fires for both point and area targets. A team leader (TL) who provides C2 through leadership by example ("Do as I do") leads this team.
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Automatic fire is not used to "kill as many people as possible" unless it's a large machine gun. Automatic fire on a rifle is a waste of ammunition and is usually used as suppression fire (so the bad guys take cover while your friends move into a good position). The three round or single shot are used for killing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27785673


Oh Yea????


neener2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784


Yeah. It's basic tactics.

[link to rdl.train.army.mil (secure)]

The Infantry fire team is designed as a self-contained team (Figure 1-5). The automatic rifleman (AR) provides an internal base of fire with the ability to deliver sustained suppressive small arms fire on area targets. The rifleman provides accurate lethal direct fire for point targets. The grenadier provides high explosive (HE) indirect fires for both point and area targets. A team leader (TL) who provides C2 through leadership by example ("Do as I do") leads this team.
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Oh yea yap yap .... Try again my friend.... broccoli
I am wondering way Automatic rifles are prohibited from citizens... maybe because they make to much noises??

LOL

pope
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
I see ....
until right now nobody it's getting the point of this post...

pope
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
you sound pretty versed in gun can you answer this for me about how loud is a 223 with muzzle brake. I hear a interview on stg report saying that because of sound pressure level of the rifle in a in closed building would be to loud to operate effectively
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Re: Sandy Hook - Automatic or Semiautomatic Rifle?
Benelli II Short-barrel Semi-Auto w/ Tubular mag.
& Rt. side Extractor-Receiver Control
or a knock-off, but similar to Marine issue
4" shorter than Bushmaster
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Benelli II Short-barrel Semi-Auto w/ Tubular mag.
& Rt. side Extractor-Receiver Control
or a knock-off, but similar to Marine issue
4" shorter than Bushmaster
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oh scratch that, misunderstood...this was what was in the trunk of the black honda

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