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Obama administration creates policy to sue businesses that donít hire ex-convicts.

 
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Saying that consideration of arrest and conviction records have a disparate impact on blacks because they are 7 times more likely to have an arrest record than whites,Obama has set into action new hiring guidelines making it illegal to purposefully not hire someone because they have an arrest record.The Obama administration stated that because blacks are 7 times more likely to have criminal convictions than whites,employers refusing to hire convicts are disproportionally targeting blacks and these businesses will therefore be sued by the attorney general if they don`t comply and refuse to hire criminals. [link to www.newsmax.com]
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You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Now businesses will be FORCED to hire criminals?

It just keeps getting more and more INSANE.
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Obama is an enemy of the state PERIOD.
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I was convicted of a felony 24 years ago. I really would like to see a society where "you paid your debt to society" is more than just lip service.

Post 9-11 society has it to where now you can't even get a job as a greeter at WalMart if you have a record, at all. I say "post 9-11" because prior to that event, I was managing fortune 500 companies and made a decent living wage.

I would like to see a limit to how far back some employers are allowed to search. 7-10 years seems to be a fair number to me.

All that said, an employer has a right to decide who he wants on his team or not. I think this is utter bullshit.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Yes, even though I have misdemeanors, I agree. Give Americans a freaking break. We're already working slave jobs for paper. Like I said earlier, do as the UK does. No one responded to that one for some reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30357815


I'm on probation for drug related stuff (pot), and as soon as prospective employers see that I'm not hired. Its BS.
 Quoting: apiratewithadd




If you break the law, you have to deal with the consequences. And if employers don't want stoners working for them, it is THEIR RIGHT.
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Those with the means ought to be leaving the USA right now - it's finished.
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I couldn't agree with you more my friend, but honestly where would you go! Most countries/people hate us Americans, because of our corrupt politicians/system.

What they fail to realize is that we are just as powerless as they are with they own politicians
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If a person gets a record, they will never work again even though they did their time. the number of criminals will sky rocket if none of them are ever hired to work.
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You should hire them
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I was convicted of a felony 24 years ago. I really would like to see a society where "you paid your debt to society" is more than just lip service.

Post 9-11 society has it to where now you can't even get a job as a greeter at WalMart if you have a record, at all. I say "post 9-11" because prior to that event, I was managing fortune 500 companies and made a decent living wage.

I would like to see a limit to how far back some employers are allowed to search. 7-10 years seems to be a fair number to me.

All that said, an employer has a right to decide who he wants on his team or not. I think this is utter bullshit.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Yes, even though I have misdemeanors, I agree. Give Americans a freaking break. We're already working slave jobs for paper. Like I said earlier, do as the UK does. No one responded to that one for some reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30357815


I'm on probation for drug related stuff (pot), and as soon as prospective employers see that I'm not hired. Its BS.
 Quoting: apiratewithadd


So with no eco growth shit for jobs nodda nothing crap. Youxpect employers to "overlook" your past and scrap the other 100 people who have worked there ass off too? with no record?you sound like the illegal immigrant bitching obout the legal immigrant looking for citizenship
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Then what the hell GOOD is it to do a background check on a prospective employee????

Liberalism truly IS a dangerous and demonic mental disorder. Liberals always advocate the killing of the innocent, and the defending of the guilty.
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If I were an employer, I would not want to hire anyone who committed a crime that harmed an innocent person. Though I would consider it if the crime was not particularly heinous, occurred many years ago, and reputable people could vouch that the person had truly cleaned up his act.

And I would not have any problems with hiring someone who got busted for committing a victimless crime.
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I agree with this. If you have to hire ex-cons, hire those who committed victimless crimes. They're both white and black, I've seen lots of blacks in on drug charges.

But I'm mighty tempted to say, if you gotta hire an ex-con, hire a white one. Just because this intrusion from Obama has gone too far, and I want to frustrate its intent. No doubt some others will end up hiring more black employees than they want because of this, so I will compensate by concentrating on non-blacks in the ex-cons I would hire.

Hypothetically of course!
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Lifting up the down trotted, one convict at a time. Bunch of them to, heard about million getting out,this year.
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and yet another retarded thread pinned...GLP is not what it used to be, that's for sure...
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YES now maybe i can find a job


i was arested when i turned 18 now im 23 and my arest NOT a conviction because it waas defered adjudication still messes me up with getting threw the background checks


YESS something i can agree with
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So you want ALL businesses to be FORCED to hire convicts and criminals now?

Fuck you, you brainless little dipshit. As a business owner, if I was FORCED to hire you, I would find a way to make you want to quit really quick, you little cocksucker.
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DOES THAT INCLUDE BANKS AND INVESTMENT FIRMS ????????
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Saying that consideration of arrest and conviction records have a disparate impact on blacks because they are 7 times more likely to have an arrest record than whites,Obama has set into action new hiring guidelines making it illegal to purposefully not hire someone because they have an arrest record.The Obama administration stated that because blacks are 7 times more likely to have criminal convictions than whites,employers refusing to hire convicts are disproportionally targeting blacks and these businesses will therefore be sued by the attorney general if they don`t comply and refuse to hire criminals. [link to www.newsmax.com]
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Ya I own a store and no way will I comply with this. Sorry to say if I see any convictions on the app I will throw it away. We have a very high unemployment rate in the us and I get tons of applications on a daily basis. There is great competition for jobs at the present time and its only going to get worse. I recommend not breaking the law rather than trusting an employer to follow this mad policy after you get out of jail.
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
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Yup, damn convicts!
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Since when does the employer have the right to be judge, jury and executioner. In the past, people didn't need criminal checks unless they worked for a bank or the police. This is just more government licking corporate ass.
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I was convicted of a felony 24 years ago. I really would like to see a society where "you paid your debt to society" is more than just lip service.

Post 9-11 society has it to where now you can't even get a job as a greeter at WalMart if you have a record, at all. I say "post 9-11" because prior to that event, I was managing fortune 500 companies and made a decent living wage.

I would like to see a limit to how far back some employers are allowed to search. 7-10 years seems to be a fair number to me.

All that said, an employer has a right to decide who he wants on his team or not. I think this is utter bullshit.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Yes, even though I have misdemeanors, I agree. Give Americans a freaking break. We're already working slave jobs for paper. Like I said earlier, do as the UK does. No one responded to that one for some reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30357815


I'm on probation for drug related stuff (pot), and as soon as prospective employers see that I'm not hired. Its BS.
 Quoting: apiratewithadd


So with no eco growth shit for jobs nodda nothing crap. Youxpect employers to "overlook" your past and scrap the other 100 people who have worked there ass off too? with no record?you sound like the illegal immigrant bitching obout the legal immigrant looking for citizenship
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25063986


Obama wants the employer to scrap the perfectly good white with no record so he can hire the black with a record.

I cannot imagine a country in which he could force that to really happen. He might collect a lot in fines, but he still won't induce that behavior. Many people would go out of business before doing that.
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
 Quoting: krosty


Yup, damn convicts!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24046300


NO kidding, for every one of those that get hired, there's someone who's never been a felon not getting those jobs..
90% of all con's go back to jail, it's a life style..
Guess the aliens gonna be knocked to the back of the bus too..and the white folks ain't allowed on the bus..
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this is great! They always say employers are not supposed to discriminate when hiring and this was always the un written exception. Hogwash.......EVERYONE makes mistakes in life. EVERYONE diserves a second chance.
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Would you want a convicted bank robber to run your cash register? How about hiring a convicted pedo to watch your children at the daycare while you're working.

Not everyone deserves a second chance to do whatever they want. If he wants them working, let them go to work digging ditches.
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I work within the background check industry. There is already a TON of protection put in place for candidates / job seekers (see the FCRA). Additionally, many states already have put in place reporting laws / restrictions that do not allow certain information from being released. There are states / counties across the country that do not commercially release criminal conviction information past 7 years. For this reason alone - it is advised employers consider only seeking conviction information within 7 years as to not discriminate between one candidate from California and another in Wisconsin (where the central court system can be publicly searched as far back as possible).

The EEOC update basically puts all states on a relative playing field to Wisconsin - wherein conviction information should ONLY be taken into consideration if it directly relates to the candidate's job function / duties. The EEOC actually does an OK job outlining the major steps an employer can take during the Individual Assessment to make sure they are documenting their decision to rescind a job offer or disqualify an employee based on conviction history.

This was definitely an overreach by the EEOC. There are many states that are VERY friendly to those with conviction history.
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Since when does the employer have the right to be judge, jury and executioner. In the past, people didn't need criminal checks unless they worked for a bank or the police. This is just more government licking corporate ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12582603


The employer does have the right to be the judge.

Jury and executioner don't apply. Or if it's executioner because otherwise the person can't get a job, if you hire the black ex-con there will be a white with a clean record who cannot get a job -- equally an "execution".
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Since when does the employer have the right to be judge, jury and executioner. In the past, people didn't need criminal checks unless they worked for a bank or the police. This is just more government licking corporate ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12582603


The employer does have the right to be the judge.

Jury and executioner don't apply. Or if it's executioner because otherwise the person can't get a job, if you hire the black ex-con there will be a white with a clean record who cannot get a job -- equally an "execution".
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plus they sign the checks..
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
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Humanitarian principles? LOL...

FORCING people to take in convicted criminals into their places of business is "humanitarian"??

I suppose that you think it's "humanitarian" to FUCK OVER business owners, and put them in danger... eh?
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Since when does the employer have the right to be judge, jury and executioner. In the past, people didn't need criminal checks unless they worked for a bank or the police. This is just more government licking corporate ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12582603


The employer does have the right to be the judge.

Jury and executioner don't apply. Or if it's executioner because otherwise the person can't get a job, if you hire the black ex-con there will be a white with a clean record who cannot get a job -- equally an "execution".
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plus they sign the checks..
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We put our name on them.
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Since when does the employer have the right to be judge, jury and executioner. In the past, people didn't need criminal checks unless they worked for a bank or the police. This is just more government licking corporate ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12582603


so you have no problem being forced to let a convicted felon babysit your kids at daycare? hahahaa idiot
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Yes, even though I have misdemeanors, I agree. Give Americans a freaking break. We're already working slave jobs for paper. Like I said earlier, do as the UK does. No one responded to that one for some reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30357815


I'm on probation for drug related stuff (pot), and as soon as prospective employers see that I'm not hired. Its BS.
 Quoting: apiratewithadd


So with no eco growth shit for jobs nodda nothing crap. Youxpect employers to "overlook" your past and scrap the other 100 people who have worked there ass off too? with no record?you sound like the illegal immigrant bitching obout the legal immigrant looking for citizenship
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25063986


Obama wants the employer to scrap the perfectly good white with no record so he can hire the black with a record.

I cannot imagine a country in which he could force that to really happen. He might collect a lot in fines, but he still won't induce that behavior. Many people would go out of business before doing that.
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I SWEAR they are trying to induce a civil war in this country.
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
 Quoting: krosty





Humanitarian principles? LOL...

FORCING people to take in convicted criminals into their places of business is "humanitarian"??

I suppose that you think it's "humanitarian" to FUCK OVER business owners, and put them in danger... eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34370993


You'll fuck over the business owners and YOURSELF with more taxes for private prisons because if these "ex-cons" can't get legal work, it is much easier to become a con artist, a drug dealer or a thief on YOUR streets.

These snooty business owners everyone portrays and protects here can burn in hell. When those convicts have no means of survival when you turn them down I hope they go steal their food from you.
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So many people against humanitarian principles in our society. That's why our species will leach itself to death.
 Quoting: krosty





Humanitarian principles? LOL...

FORCING people to take in convicted criminals into their places of business is "humanitarian"??

I suppose that you think it's "humanitarian" to FUCK OVER business owners, and put them in danger... eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34370993


You'll fuck over the business owners and YOURSELF with more taxes for private prisons because if these "ex-cons" can't get legal work, it is much easier to become a con artist, a drug dealer or a thief on YOUR streets.

These snooty business owners everyone portrays and protects here can burn in hell. When those convicts have no means of survival when you turn them down I hope they go steal their food from you.
 Quoting: krosty


Agreed. It's not just felons, bank robbers, etc. Busted for pot and a DUI 16 years ago. Why should I still suffer? Looks like the retards took over the thread.

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