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Who appointed Satan 'ruler of the world'?

 
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But you're both essentially right here, aren't you?
Because if anyone worships a God other than the creator of the universe ,Almighty God, he is really worshipping Satan, whether knowingly or not. Or maybe even by default one is worshipping Satan, though claiming not to worship anyone/anything? [not sure- that word might be a little strong]
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Not too strong, as a Christian you know there are only two kingdoms - there is no third way
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Yes I guess that's right.

But reading that Chick article you linked to made me realize why it could be a problem using "Lucifer" in Isaiah if that's not the absolutely perfect translation from the Hebrew . I say "if" because I certainly claim no expertise in Hebrew. "Prometheus" in Greek myth gave fire to humans, defying Zeus, but obviously seen as a a benefactor of the human race compared to Zeus, the philandering, quick-to -anger, deadbeat dad.

"The light bringer", sounds like the same guy to a lot of people and the God of the old Testament takes on for them even more of the bad Zeus characteristics than he already has in their minds. And the selfishness and petty jealousy displayed by the Zeus-type has probably morphed the very definition of the word jealousy to what it is in our minds today: a sign of weakness and selfishness. And here we have God admitting to jealousy, all over the Bible! -No doubt part of why so many people haven't experienced this for themselves :

" 17 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser,+ the Holy One of Israel:+ “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself],+ the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk.+ 18 O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments!+ Then your peace would become just like a river,+ and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.+" Isaiah 48:17
You mention Blavatsky,etc, knowing they worship Lucifer, but I'd say that "Blavatsky" spirit has permeated almost everywhere I look, with everyone thinking they're "enlightened" by it.
2 Corinthians 4:3 "If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing,+ 4 among whom the god* of this system of things*+ has blinded the minds* of the unbelievers,+ that the illumination*+ of the glorious good news+ about the Christ,* who is the image+ of God, might not shine through."
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great Bible Translation- New World? yes
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"Who appointed Satan 'ruler of the world'?"


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Lucifer and Satan are actually 2 different people. And no, Lucifer did not do anything wrong. The only thing he did was to tell the truth about a corrupt government and no, he didn't start the rebellion it was Satan's rebellion. His crime was Free Speech!! Imagine that!

Lucifer is not dead, as some might want us to believe. And Satan is not the worst of the worst, either. Although he is no goody goody two shoes,either.There is one who is far worse than even him. The most High Ancient of Days, Samael. He was the one who forced the Popes' resignation. Obama will declare himself a dictator very soon, then we will see him fall. And I personally cannot wait.

Satan has been arrested along with 3 other Princes of the rebellion and is now incarcerated. Lucifer meanwhile has been re-personalized after his incarnation and is now back in his angel skin suit, out and about to do the Father's will.

The one everyone will soon see is Samael. He is your biggest problem.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Who is the one that has on a black leather knights outfit from about the 1500's? Topped with a cape of dark red. With longer than shoulder length black ringlets and a moustache? He smiles hugely, and a pink cherub runs in front of him blockng him out of pictures when photographed.

He travels with a younger blond guy with short curly blond hair with a laurel wreath around it. He wears a white belted toga looking long robe.

And they both travel with a beautiful long haired blond woman in classical Greek attire.

The fourth character in the group is basically a three foot high blob of see-through very thin gelatin.

These four showed up in my library in the middle of a furious rain/snow storm in November 2010.
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Probably easier to ask who's NOT Satan's appointed when it comes to the rulers of this world...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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GOD did,



Earth is Satan's territory.
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If it was God rather than Adam and Eve why this?
"Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit.' Eph6:9
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Oh well I will explain one more time that there is only one person responsible for Satans rule upon this earth, and one only. It was Adam, the first man, by which all mankind was born from and inherited his fallen nature.
Eve was deceived by Satan, and no not raped, as most gnostics with their little godman theories like to imply. A spirit being cannot have sex for they are of another composition, and it isn't dirt.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 timothy 2:14

Now think, here is Adam, the apple of God's eye, (as translated, "the little man of Gods eye) standing in this perfect garden called Eden, and he sees his soul mate transform, that's right, before his very eyes, into a decaying hell bound, life expectancy limited love of his life. So, what does he do? He takes and eat. Why? Because his rulership upon earth is bound with hers, she is the co-ruler with him - he rules, she rules. They are joinded together by God for this blessing.
She falls and he willingly falls with her, for their is no rule on this earth without the bride.
Can you not see? This is a picture of Christ Jesus and His willing death on the cross of humiliation to rescue his bride of promise - This is Jesus.


Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:17

This is our God - He died for us, that we might live again
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Lucifer and Satan are actually 2 different people. And no, Lucifer did not do anything wrong. The only thing he did was to tell the truth about a corrupt government and no, he didn't start the rebellion it was Satan's rebellion. His crime was Free Speech!! Imagine that!

Lucifer is not dead, as some might want us to believe. And Satan is not the worst of the worst, either. Although he is no goody goody two shoes,either.There is one who is far worse than even him. The most High Ancient of Days, Samael. He was the one who forced the Popes' resignation. Obama will declare himself a dictator very soon, then we will see him fall. And I personally cannot wait.

Satan has been arrested along with 3 other Princes of the rebellion and is now incarcerated. Lucifer meanwhile has been re-personalized after his incarnation and is now back in his angel skin suit, out and about to do the Father's will.

The one everyone will soon see is Samael. He is your biggest problem.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Interesting.. Please go on.
 Quoting: ForNoOne


The prince of this world is named Caligastia. He is the Planetary Prince.

But Lucifer has been removed and is no longer here. He was here on this earth twice reincarnated, once as Leonardo Da Vinci.
Satan has been arrested and removed so he's no longer here. The Ancient of Days is Samael and he is the one who was responsible for the pope's resignation. So the one to come after the Pope is the Beast. Obummer is a part of the trio to welcome the Antichrist into the world. I'm wondering if he will finish out his second term. It's rumored that he is supposed to declare himself a dictator and then something happens to oust him and he will suddenly resign. All I can say is watch and listen.
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Lucifer and Satan are actually 2 different people. And no, Lucifer did not do anything wrong. The only thing he did was to tell the truth about a corrupt government and no, he didn't start the rebellion it was Satan's rebellion. His crime was Free Speech!! Imagine that!

Lucifer is not dead, as some might want us to believe. And Satan is not the worst of the worst, either. Although he is no goody goody two shoes,either.There is one who is far worse than even him. The most High Ancient of Days, Samael. He was the one who forced the Popes' resignation. Obama will declare himself a dictator very soon, then we will see him fall. And I personally cannot wait.

Satan has been arrested along with 3 other Princes of the rebellion and is now incarcerated. Lucifer meanwhile has been re-personalized after his incarnation and is now back in his angel skin suit, out and about to do the Father's will.

The one everyone will soon see is Samael. He is your biggest problem.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Interesting.. Please go on.
 Quoting: ForNoOne


The prince of this world is named Caligastia. He is the Planetary Prince.

But Lucifer has been removed and is no longer here. He was here on this earth twice reincarnated, once as Leonardo Da Vinci.
Satan has been arrested and removed so he's no longer here. The Ancient of Days is Samael and he is the one who was responsible for the pope's resignation. So the one to come after the Pope is the Beast. Obummer is a part of the trio to welcome the Antichrist into the world. I'm wondering if he will finish out his second term. It's rumored that he is supposed to declare himself a dictator and then something happens to oust him and he will suddenly resign. All I can say is watch and listen.
 Quoting: hawk8414


Which comic book did you gain this knowledge from you gnostic freemason word twisting day dreamer?
Lucifer, Satan, pretty up these words and make just one of them sound benevolent.
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"“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. 27 I leave YOU peace, I give YOU my peace. I do not give it to YOU the way that the world gives it. Do not let YOUR hearts be troubled nor let them shrink for fear. 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 29 So now I have told YOU before it occurs, in order that, when it does occur, YOU may believe. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me," Jo14:25
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God gave Adam dominion over all, including the trees of the garden.

When he obeyed the serpent he gave away the dominion to he whom he obeyed.

Have you not read, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Adam gave the dominion away, Christ recovered it.
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"“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. 27 I leave YOU peace, I give YOU my peace. I do not give it to YOU the way that the world gives it. Do not let YOUR hearts be troubled nor let them shrink for fear. 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 29 So now I have told YOU before it occurs, in order that, when it does occur, YOU may believe. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me," Jo14:25
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God gave Adam dominion over all, including the trees of the garden.

When he obeyed the serpent he gave away the dominion to he whom he obeyed.

Have you not read, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Adam gave the dominion away, Christ recovered it.
 Quoting: Aman


Think about this also. When satan came before god and was asked, where have you been? Satan replied, "from walking to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it".

Here is even more light if you can bear it.

Satan at that same time also said, " skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life."

But Jesus says, " you have heard it was said of old time, eye for an eye, but I say unto you that you love your enemies, do good unto those that hate you and spitefully use you."

Darkness and light.

What came first?

Darkness.
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I'll go ahead and say it was Adam. He wasn't deceived about the significance of eating the fruit, yet he went ahead and ate the fruit. He just didn't care that much either way. I've always kind of assumed that he thought he would be Eve's ruler, "knowing good and evil" [beneficial and non-beneficial, for them], at least as far as she knew.
But, unbeknownst to him [because, perhaps, he was just too lazy to think it through] he was appointing Satan as ruler. Apparently this was the situation here: 1 John 5:19.
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"“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. 27 I leave YOU peace, I give YOU my peace. I do not give it to YOU the way that the world gives it. Do not let YOUR hearts be troubled nor let them shrink for fear. 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. 29 So now I have told YOU before it occurs, in order that, when it does occur, YOU may believe. 30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me," Jo14:25
 Quoting: DGN


God gave Adam dominion over all, including the trees of the garden.

When he obeyed the serpent he gave away the dominion to he whom he obeyed.

Have you not read, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Adam gave the dominion away, Christ recovered it.
 Quoting: Aman


Very good expression;
"He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." Col 1:13
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YOU DID by your Lusts and Desire's. Hate, Greed, killing's, booze and so on. Get the Picture!
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YOU DID by your Lusts and Desire's. Hate, Greed, killing's, booze and so on. Get the Picture!
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Man applointed satan as ruler,
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Man applointed satan as ruler,
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Very good! A simple truth beyond the knowledge of all most all. Still, we can individually defeat his reign of terror with scripturial education, knowledge is power;
"Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end keep awake with all constancy and with supplication in behalf of all the holy ones,' Eph6;10
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And Satan said unto me,"You have won fair and square."

I then said a prayer in the name of the Father of Heaven, to forgive those that might be forgiven in Hell.

Some twelve years later I was sent along the multi-dimensional path to return to the City of Heaven. The journey was quite extraordinary as I literally went through three different worlds along the way.

Upon arriving to the city my name was looked up in the Book of Life by an Angel... I was astounded that she was expecting me and knew not only my name, but a very funny incident that occurred to me when I was in the first grade... I had several tasks to accomplish and a test... the interesting thing was these tasks were all related to the consequences of what had transpired with my confrontation with Satan...

[I had been given the opportunity to join the Order of the New Dawn and when I finally realized who I was actually dealing with, on account of a film I was shown to prove they were who they said they were... the film clip was Eve cavorting on the banks of a river with males that were not human... this was not a film clip that could be faked... I was not prepared for that kind of bluntness shall we say... and the odd fact all of the people around me had seen this clip so many times they barely glanced in my direction at all...]


...the majority of people who were freed had successfully returned and passed their Life tests... but a small number of them were still doing the "red-eye" thing at the school they had been assigned to and I had to tell them they had failed and were not to remain in the city any longer... they vanished...

{this is the really short version}

I completed my tasks and was returned to the earth much wiser then when I had left...

Several years more down the road I encountered a man I instantly recognized as the Devil. He was standing in the tunnel entrance to a football stadium... it was half-time and the show was in full swing... I was heading across the parking lot back to my car when I passed this entrance tunnel and I just saw this elderly man in a very expensive, Grey-pinned striped suit standing there watching the show... If he had not turned when he did I would have continued walking along... but he turned towards me and I recognized him... I yelled out to him and basically we went right to battle... I nearly snapped his neck... just a quarter second more, dead to the ground, but he managed to escape my choke-hold and ran... like a sprinter he was gone... by the time I came back around the corner he was a hundred yards or more across the parking lot and he had this sneer on his face knowing I was never going to catch him.

I instead commanded him back before me in the name of Jesus.... it was as if a giant spring was attached to his ass... he was violently flung upwards/backwards about ten feet off the ground... arms and legs flaying uncontrollably as he spun backwards through the air screaming like a woman giving birth to a bowling ball... he dropped into a net beside me that had materialized out of nowhere and spun counter clockwise downwards, getting smaller until he went through a hole in the pavement the size of a quarter.

He tricked me into seeing a trap that was actually an escape...

Another valuable lesson learned...

Some years later I encountered Inanna... or Isis depending on what name some might prefer... she was inside a small, white oval-shaped, one seater ship? clear canopy with some serious hi-tech hologram screen/computer... she instantly reminded me of Satan in one key way... intensity of evil and age...(magnetic'compression-wave?) unlike Satan who was smoke-like body appearance, but a solid helmet/crown with very odd horns(not Hollywood crap)... she looked to be about 65 or so but still blond hair, blue eyes about 5' 7" or so and slender... she was hard at work on an equation which was really interesting... time equations with really informative precision graphics which popped up as she was trying different solutions... I watched her for a good twenty minutes until she became rather irritated at my presence. Of the three (bad old ones) so encountered I felt she was by far the most dangerous... some of her stupid minions came after me as I was leaving and I just beat the crap out of them... unlike her they were really pathetic despite their arrogant shouting.

I have encountered quite a few really evil damn beings including that matreya? creepy giant and his underground army of bad will monks... I do not always win the battles and in some cases I have run into things way out of my league to deal with and in that regard the Higher Powers have never failed me...


I very recently for the first time encountered the Father of Heaven... very Biblical quality to that moment... I really cannot say more... words fail truthfully... interesting conversation nonetheless.

I have learned over the many years very few listen to experiences such as mine and none give second thought to what is right there in front of them. People demand proof as if it was just that easy to hand them something yet to be earned. The Word of Jesus is kept good by the honesty for which it is meant in truth. It is indeed a sword like no other.

"for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,"



And when that ruler has been defeated.....
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Man applointed satan as ruler,
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Good call, do you remember where and when his submission was established?
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I'll go ahead and say it was Adam. He wasn't deceived about the significance of eating the fruit, yet he went ahead and ate the fruit. He just didn't care that much either way. I've always kind of assumed that he thought he would be Eve's ruler, "knowing good and evil" [beneficial and non-beneficial, for them], at least as far as she knew.
But, unbeknownst to him [because, perhaps, he was just too lazy to think it through] he was appointing Satan as ruler. Apparently this was the situation here: 1 John 5:19.
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