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Obamacare Broke Already, And It's Just Beginning...

 
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
 Quoting: Interstellar Breeze


The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
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nice try shill boy......
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You are crazy if you pay any penalty to an ILLEGAL GOV!!
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
 Quoting: Interstellar Breeze


The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Says the looters.

ogrrr
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight

Very true. I'm one of those folks who have lost many services since Obama care. I see a doc-in-a-box instead of a real Dr. Because I can't afford a live one. I've lost all mental health services. I see a "Big brother who has the authority so prescribe meds. Some meds are not on my healthcare provider list. Forcing me to go generic. But the generic is not always the same as the original med. In order to be eligable for the extra help, I must meet financial criteria, but the household income level has dropped, making it impossible to get any help for medical expences, or help with prescriptions. I've foumd myself choosing meds of food. (Really) Don't get me wrong, I'm not a med junky, I am disabled and have paid into the system, but since the cost of medical services went up, I'm stuck.
It's a scam, no one i know has gained any new services under Obama care.
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Just wait till the real bill arrives in 2014...


Tens of thousands of Americans who cannot get health insurance because of preexisting medical problems will be blocked from a program designed to help them because funding is running low.

Obama administration officials said Friday that the state-based “high-risk pools” set up under the 2010 health-care law will be closed to new applicants as soon as Saturday and no later than March 2, depending on the state.

But they stressed that coverage for about 100,000 people who are now enrolled in the high-risk pools will not be affected...


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ochange
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And this also means...we're still going to pay for this program, but no one after today is going to get any benefits from this program...

At least not until we kick more money in...

Government at its best...
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Hussein Obama=anti-Christ !!!
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
 Quoting: Interstellar Breeze


The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
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I'm thinking Obamacare will be the straw that breaks the economy when all is said and done. hf
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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


I just wanted to highlight that part of Freeloader Shill boy's comments...

This is very instructive actually...
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight

Very true. I'm one of those folks who have lost many services since Obama care. I see a doc-in-a-box instead of a real Dr. Because I can't afford a live one. I've lost all mental health services. I see a "Big brother who has the authority so prescribe meds. Some meds are not on my healthcare provider list. Forcing me to go generic. But the generic is not always the same as the original med. In order to be eligable for the extra help, I must meet financial criteria, but the household income level has dropped, making it impossible to get any help for medical expences, or help with prescriptions. I've foumd myself choosing meds of food. (Really) Don't get me wrong, I'm not a med junky, I am disabled and have paid into the system, but since the cost of medical services went up, I'm stuck.
It's a scam, no one i know has gained any new services under Obama care.
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+1
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Nice thread full of incorrect information. Im shocked.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight

Very true. I'm one of those folks who have lost many services since Obama care. I see a doc-in-a-box instead of a real Dr. Because I can't afford a live one. I've lost all mental health services. I see a "Big brother who has the authority so prescribe meds. Some meds are not on my healthcare provider list. Forcing me to go generic. But the generic is not always the same as the original med. In order to be eligable for the extra help, I must meet financial criteria, but the household income level has dropped, making it impossible to get any help for medical expences, or help with prescriptions. I've foumd myself choosing meds of food. (Really) Don't get me wrong, I'm not a med junky, I am disabled and have paid into the system, but since the cost of medical services went up, I'm stuck.
It's a scam, no one i know has gained any new services under Obama care.
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That's because the biggest part doesn't start until next January. That's when the Medicaid extension goes into effect, at least in the states worth living in.
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Nonsense. Life is a web of interdependence and we really are all in this together, like it or not. Personal responsibility isn't always enough, that's why we also have a social responsibility.
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Just "tax the rich" some more! We went off the fiscal cliff some time back. Dollar collapse to come shortly.
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Nice thread full of incorrect information. Im shocked.
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Specific and linked examples?

Or are you just a tool
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight

Very true. I'm one of those folks who have lost many services since Obama care. I see a doc-in-a-box instead of a real Dr. Because I can't afford a live one. I've lost all mental health services. I see a "Big brother who has the authority so prescribe meds. Some meds are not on my healthcare provider list. Forcing me to go generic. But the generic is not always the same as the original med. In order to be eligable for the extra help, I must meet financial criteria, but the household income level has dropped, making it impossible to get any help for medical expences, or help with prescriptions. I've foumd myself choosing meds of food. (Really) Don't get me wrong, I'm not a med junky, I am disabled and have paid into the system, but since the cost of medical services went up, I'm stuck.
It's a scam, no one i know has gained any new services under Obama care.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12682593


That's because the biggest part doesn't start until next January. That's when the Medicaid extension goes into effect, at least in the states worth living in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Oh, you mean when every family of four in the country will either have to buy a shitty health insurance plan that costs over $20,000 per year, or pay $2500 or so in a tax penalty for not buying a plan that probably won't even cover what they need...

Meanwhile a couple of million govt bureaucrats get new jobs and raises...

You think Retail in this country is doing bad now, just wait till people have to write a check to the govt for $2500 on top of their insurance they pay every month!
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Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Nonsense. Life is a web of interdependence and we really are all in this together, like it or not. Personal responsibility isn't always enough, that's why we also have a social responsibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


"Nonsense", huh? So forced production by the producers under threat of fines (theft) or imprisonment (bondage) is acceptable to you people? There is a name for that you know: Slavery.
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Says the looters.

ogrrr
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Yeah I suppose this all depends on your perspective, if your a freeloader, of course you love it. If you have to actually pay for that freeloader...you might not like it so much...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.
 Quoting: Gnosis 2020


Nonsense. Life is a web of interdependence and we really are all in this together, like it or not. Personal responsibility isn't always enough, that's why we also have a social responsibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Spoken like a true Communist...buzz words and all...
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
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You sound like one of those stupid Greek socialists. The ones who love feeding at the trough but avoid taxes by any means possible, including through cheating.

Americans need to become more and more contemptuous of the federal government and its greedy collection agency, the IRS. An attitude of dishonesty towards it should be seen as increasingly respectable and even necessary.
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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
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My point exactly. Democracy is doomed when more than half of a population is determined to vote themselves largesse that is paid by the so-called "wealthy"... When the looters outvote the producers.


Nonsense. Life is a web of interdependence and we really are all in this together, like it or not. Personal responsibility isn't always enough, that's why we also have a social responsibility.


Spoken like a true Communist...buzz words and all...


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Healthcare in America is the biggest rip off in the world and ObongoCare only makes it worse.

You think currently its better if you make it to 65 and its all good with medicare ?? not so. You still have a gap. If you dont have that gap insurance then you are just as screwed.

Just to pay the gap with medicare here for a bypass cost 30k and you can fly to Germany and have one done for about 18k cash total out the door.

The crappy Obamacare program will FAIL of its own govt obesity hopefully.

Its an over bloated bill that does nothing more than provide more govt control and revenue.

Just wait until the govt starts emptying peoples bank accounts.

There is a solution, but it puts no money in the govt pockets, so I guess thats out.

They should set it up like Hong Kong in the late 80s if they want socialized medicine. It may still be that way.

14.5% flat income tax, free medical and dental, but if you could afford it you could buy your own HC insurance which was about like ours and go to private doctors and dentists.

The real problem here is the massive profits and corporate health related bribery of politicians in congress.

The system needs tort reform, get hospitals under control, take the massive huge money out of the insurance and drug industry then everybody could have $100 a month health insurance. We dont need this crappy plan O has installed.

As-is Ocare will cost $340 a month for an individual.

Minimum wage at $9 an hour and the employer wisely opts out of Ocare

Roughly $18700 income filing single....

-$3000 tax, -4000 Ocare, - 5000 rent share, -2500 Utilities, $3500 food (if you really tighten up), -2000 fuel and that leaves a lot of stuff out like Car, car maintenance, savings etc, loans.

$20,000

If you opt out of Ocare and pay $6400 Tax total or almost 35% on a $18700 yearly income that leaves you with $300 play money for the year.

Lower middle class families dont have a chance at survival without both parents working 2 jobs each.
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
 Quoting: Interstellar Breeze


The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


It's not worth every penny if you don't have any pennies to give. The US is completely broke and can not realistically finance itself.
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
 Quoting: Interstellar Breeze


The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


It's not worth every penny if you don't have any pennies to give. The US is completely broke and can not realistically finance itself.
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That is completely false. The U.S. has plenty of wealth, it just being horded at the top.
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China has more middle class now then the entire population of the United States.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


It's not worth every penny if you don't have any pennies to give. The US is completely broke and can not realistically finance itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2042913


That is completely false. The U.S. has plenty of wealth, it just being horded at the top.
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You should change the song Commie..

"My wealth is your wealth, his wealth is my wealth..."

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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
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You still don't get it, do you?

First of all, your "life-saving operation" would have to be approved by the panel as cost effective based ON FUNDS AVAILABLE.

And it's already out of funds for pre-existing conditions.

Soon you won't be able to get the same care at any price!
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