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Obamacare Broke Already, And It's Just Beginning...

 
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight


Exactly - this was the plan.

Cloward Piven.
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Yes, the system can't be sustained as obama intends it to be. Care will be worse, but everyone will have it. The select few will still be able to pay for the real elite stuff that allows for the real expensive stuff like transplants.
 Quoting: Sbert


Right and us peons will get basically first aid. Things like cardiac stents will be for the likes of Bill Clinton but not the average Joe.


We'll all have our great big share of lousy healtcare delivered by nurses and physician's assistants and seldom if ever seeing a real physician.
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I heard that obamacare is going to be so great the unions are giving up their waivers and will participate in it!!!

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lmao

Eat it, libtards.

I hope Obamacare ends up killing millions of Democrats every year, until they are extinct.
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This is very possible. I'm sure the only people who will jump in line for the death panels will be brainless libtards.
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
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You must be from a different planet. The US healthcare system rates a lot lower than many (or maybe most). We spend more than double than most countries with socialized medicine and don't cover nearly as many people.

But I agree, I've long thought Obama's plan was to destroy the current system so we would all be clamoring to get a socialized system.
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laugh

Stupid fascists. Can't even start a program before it's broke.

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What a joke this pres. has been, the sheeple that listen to Diane Sawyer or whatever state run mouthpiece is on the screen are so far out of touch with reality it hurts to see them be so blind and mis-informed.
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight


Exactly - this was the plan.

Cloward Piven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34538643


Yes, the system can't be sustained as obama intends it to be. Care will be worse, but everyone will have it. The select few will still be able to pay for the real elite stuff that allows for the real expensive stuff like transplants.
 Quoting: Sbert


Right and us peons will get basically first aid. Things like cardiac stents will be for the likes of Bill Clinton but not the average Joe.


We'll all have our great big share of lousy healtcare delivered by nurses and physician's assistants and seldom if ever seeing a real physician.
 Quoting: Bluebird


This is already happening already to some degree. Plans are all different, just like car insurance. You pay for what you can generally afford or want. Some have a capitation and won't cover transplants. A lot have a 250k limit, some have the 80/20 rule, how could anyone afford to pay 20 percent of a stent? Etc.

The key though is that we have a choice in what we get. If you can't afford health insurance, then you're taking a chance and you might end up with a huuuge bill, bankruptcy, etc, but - that's the decision that a person had made.

Healthcare is still going to be delivered even if you can't afford it on the front end. It might cause you to get bankrupted or live on the streets, but you're still alive. However, that's the price for not buying insurance. I'm not going to make you buy it and the government shouldn't have to make you buy it either.

We're all responsible human beings.

Again, there are already government programs in place for certain populations that need coverage under these circumstances.
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Indigent care has been thus far absorbed by the industry. From tax write offs, charity cases, philanthropy to hospitals, everyone gets emergent health care. The question at this point is who has been paying for it.

The problem is that those who are indigent and don't have healthcare always present in the 11th hour and cost a lot more. If they actually had access to doctors/pa's/np's and adequate preventive care, we could avoid some of these costs.

The other issue is litigation and the price of defensive medicine. The studies say that tort reform won't affect but <5 percent of cost, but what they fail to realize is that a doctor that's trained in this legal environment is going to practice defensive medicine for most of his career. Those trained in a new legal environment won't be about "getting that mri so I don't miss that 1/1,000,000 neuroblastoma."

Those of you who live in this paradise where healthcare equal for everyone should be available to everyone just don't get it.

If you want healthcare to be cheaper, then make the training shorter 5 years like other countries, make more doctors - free education - so there's no debt, then pay doctors less, make nurses education free as well, pa education free, np education free, decrease the time for those as well. Pay hospitals less, get rid of some expensive regulations so hospitals can cut some corners.

Basically, make healthcare worse but it will be cheaper.

You get what you pay for. That's how life is.
 Quoting: Sbert


You make some excellent points, however it isn't just the "indigent" charity cases. Many "working poor" have been created in the last two generations by the ideology that believes in maximizing profits for the few at the expense of the many (accomplished by outsourcing jobs that used to pay a living wage to "so-called" "communist" China (in reality a dictatorial fascist republic, versus our democratic republic).

The working poor do not receive health insurance policies at work and can't afford to pay a private corporation to insure them, especially when the regulations favor the corporation and allow them to deny coverage when the person needs it the most. One major illness or injury will bankrupt the working poor, leaving them with nothing
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight



You must be from a different planet. The US healthcare system rates a lot lower than many (or maybe most). We spend more than double than most countries with socialized medicine and don't cover nearly as many people.

But I agree, I've long thought Obama's plan was to destroy the current system so we would all be clamoring to get a socialized system.
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Whatever it takes.
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Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

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In the preamble: "to promote the general welfare"
plus...it was supported by all of us progressive individuals who support the President's vision for America to join the ranks of first world Nations who provide universal health care for their citizens...including those who cannot afford to pay a corporation to "insure" them, those who have preexisting conditions, and those who the insurance "corporations" abandon at the first sign of serious or costly illness.

The Bill passed both houses of Congress and was signed into Law by the President of the United States and then vetted by the Supreme Court! Case Closed. If you don't like it you can move to some third world backwater.
 Quoting: Jonboy64 30856182


Then there is that pesky 10th Amendment that says those powers not Enumerated to the Federal Government are the province of the States...

Healthcare has always been the province of the States...

"promoting the General Welfare"...

Gimmi a fuckin' break...

And SCOTUS had to change the definition of "Mandate" to "Tax" in order to find the mandate Constitutional...wouldn't be a big deal except the word "Mandate" was also approved by two houses of Congress and Signed by Obama, so I guess SCOTUS can just re-write any law it sees fit now...

I won't even bring up the fact that when the "Two Houses of Congress" and the Administration ramrodded this on us, the polls indicated almost 70% of the people disapproved of Obamacare...

So I guess the Consent of the Governed means shit now...which is normal in Communism...so I suppose your happy as a puppy in shit!
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Er...I think he is a puppy in shit. Deep shit. He just doesn't know it yet. He still blissfully believes "The Dream".

I would love to follow up the next time he hasto go to the doctor under this free care medicare, LOL! Just to see the look on his face when he realizes what's really up. He will have a rude awakening.

But I've got to thank him for my laugh of the day. Not many posts make me laugh out loud, and I appreciate them!
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Obamacare's never been about actually providing healthcare. Its a tool to DESTROY the healthcare system in this country and at the same time control us in ways we can't see yet. By the time we wake up to what the reality of this thing is, it'll be too late to save what was the best healthcare system on the planet.

Get whatever tests and operations you need now. Next year will be too late.
 Quoting: telling it straight



You must be from a different planet. The US healthcare system rates a lot lower than many (or maybe most). We spend more than double than most countries with socialized medicine and don't cover nearly as many people.

But I agree, I've long thought Obama's plan was to destroy the current system so we would all be clamoring to get a socialized system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31126728


This drill down metric comes from overall healthcare and generalizing numbers. You have to remember that this includes those who don't have insurance and subsequently don't do preventive care.

Also overall lifestyle for the USA isn't exactly good. So before spouting off these generalizations understand the following.

Exceptional healthcare, research and development is occuring the the US.

Also, do the lack of healthcare, the worst possible delivery is occuring - none.

When you average it out, sure it's worse than these "socialist" healthcare delivery countries; however, the opportunity to get exceptional healthcare still exists, whereas I would argue in those socialist countries - it doesn't unless of course you're part of the ruling party/oligarchy.
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Just wait till the real bill arrives in 2014...


Tens of thousands of Americans who cannot get health insurance because of preexisting medical problems will be blocked from a program designed to help them because funding is running low.

Obama administration officials said Friday that the state-based “high-risk pools” set up under the 2010 health-care law will be closed to new applicants as soon as Saturday and no later than March 2, depending on the state.

But they stressed that coverage for about 100,000 people who are now enrolled in the high-risk pools will not be affected...


[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

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in some respects, i will be glad when all of those obama supporters take in the neck. unfortuantely, i can't get to happy about it because not only will they get it so will we who never voted to destroy healthcare services in this country.

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Of course the program is already financially insolvent. His goal was never to provide free universal healthcare. His goal was:

1) spend recklessly to destroy capitalist economic model
2) gain god-like control over lives (I'LL decide who lives/dies)
3) Create stick/carrot scenario to force compliance with micro-chipping (no chippy, no healthcare access).
4) provide gov't with "one-stop" info on every person. You think that healthcare info is all that is going to be placed in that chip? They'll combine all gov't dababase info in that chip so no matter what agency you're dealing with, they scan and know all.

I wouldn't give O-care too much thought, as when the economy collapses it will not be viable anyway. Given the economic collapse IS coming (there is no chance of avoiding it), along with war, chaos, etc., you have a small window of time to prepare for these realities. Obtain books, medications, first aid supplies, etc. NOW. Because post-collapse, there will be some sort of health system and even if you agreed to be chipped, there is no guarantee even then that you would be granted healthcare services. You may be deemed "not worth the expense". The death panels that Sarah Palin was skewered for warning everyone about.

Much like the 1/1 tax increase that hit every American and shocked liberals (I thought taxes were only going up for rich people!), the realities of what Ocommie has in store for them will hit them in the face, as well. He doesn't care about his voters anymore than he cares for the conservatives. In fact, he probably disdains his voters more, for being such retarded dupes to buy his obvious bs.
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Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
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You should move to a country that will address those problems for you. Then you will see how great American principles actually are and how stupid you are for believing your entitled to something just because you were born.
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Now I don't need to move to a better country, thanks to President Obama.
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Now we are living in a third world country, thanks to Obama. Enjoy it, Shill.
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Of course the program is already financially insolvent. His goal was never to provide free universal healthcare. His goal was:

1) spend recklessly to destroy capitalist economic model
2) gain god-like control over lives (I'LL decide who lives/dies)
3) Create stick/carrot scenario to force compliance with micro-chipping (no chippy, no healthcare access).
4) provide gov't with "one-stop" info on every person. You think that healthcare info is all that is going to be placed in that chip? They'll combine all gov't dababase info in that chip so no matter what agency you're dealing with, they scan and know all.

I wouldn't give O-care too much thought, as when the economy collapses it will not be viable anyway. Given the economic collapse IS coming (there is no chance of avoiding it), along with war, chaos, etc., you have a small window of time to prepare for these realities. Obtain books, medications, first aid supplies, etc. NOW. Because post-collapse, there will be some sort of health system and even if you agreed to be chipped, there is no guarantee even then that you would be granted healthcare services. You may be deemed "not worth the expense". The death panels that Sarah Palin was skewered for warning everyone about.

Much like the 1/1 tax increase that hit every American and shocked liberals (I thought taxes were only going up for rich people!), the realities of what Ocommie has in store for them will hit them in the face, as well. He doesn't care about his voters anymore than he cares for the conservatives. In fact, he probably disdains his voters more, for being such retarded dupes to buy his obvious bs.
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That's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Of course the program is already financially insolvent. His goal was never to provide free universal healthcare. His goal was:

1) spend recklessly to destroy capitalist economic model
2) gain god-like control over lives (I'LL decide who lives/dies)
3) Create stick/carrot scenario to force compliance with micro-chipping (no chippy, no healthcare access).
4) provide gov't with "one-stop" info on every person. You think that healthcare info is all that is going to be placed in that chip? They'll combine all gov't dababase info in that chip so no matter what agency you're dealing with, they scan and know all.

I wouldn't give O-care too much thought, as when the economy collapses it will not be viable anyway. Given the economic collapse IS coming (there is no chance of avoiding it), along with war, chaos, etc., you have a small window of time to prepare for these realities. Obtain books, medications, first aid supplies, etc. NOW. Because post-collapse, there will be some sort of health system and even if you agreed to be chipped, there is no guarantee even then that you would be granted healthcare services. You may be deemed "not worth the expense". The death panels that Sarah Palin was skewered for warning everyone about.

Much like the 1/1 tax increase that hit every American and shocked liberals (I thought taxes were only going up for rich people!), the realities of what Ocommie has in store for them will hit them in the face, as well. He doesn't care about his voters anymore than he cares for the conservatives. In fact, he probably disdains his voters more, for being such retarded dupes to buy his obvious bs.
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clappa ^^^ so good it needs repeating.

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Indigent care has been thus far absorbed by the industry. From tax write offs, charity cases, philanthropy to hospitals, everyone gets emergent health care. The question at this point is who has been paying for it.

The problem is that those who are indigent and don't have healthcare always present in the 11th hour and cost a lot more. If they actually had access to doctors/pa's/np's and adequate preventive care, we could avoid some of these costs.

The other issue is litigation and the price of defensive medicine. The studies say that tort reform won't affect but <5 percent of cost, but what they fail to realize is that a doctor that's trained in this legal environment is going to practice defensive medicine for most of his career. Those trained in a new legal environment won't be about "getting that mri so I don't miss that 1/1,000,000 neuroblastoma."

Those of you who live in this paradise where healthcare equal for everyone should be available to everyone just don't get it.

If you want healthcare to be cheaper, then make the training shorter 5 years like other countries, make more doctors - free education - so there's no debt, then pay doctors less, make nurses education free as well, pa education free, np education free, decrease the time for those as well. Pay hospitals less, get rid of some expensive regulations so hospitals can cut some corners.

Basically, make healthcare worse but it will be cheaper.

You get what you pay for. That's how life is.
 Quoting: Sbert


You make some excellent points, however it isn't just the "indigent" charity cases. Many "working poor" have been created in the last two generations by the ideology that believes in maximizing profits for the few at the expense of the many (accomplished by outsourcing jobs that used to pay a living wage to "so-called" "communist" China (in reality a dictatorial fascist republic, versus our democratic republic).

The working poor do not receive health insurance policies at work and can't afford to pay a private corporation to insure them, especially when the regulations favor the corporation and allow them to deny coverage when the person needs it the most. One major illness or injury will bankrupt the working poor, leaving them with nothing
 Quoting: Jonboy64 30856182


Then this is what needs to fixed and overhauled more so than the whole delivery system.

If it's loopholes or a new definition of what qualifies for medicaid, then that is what needs to worked out.

I think that forcing everyone to get it, one way or another, and then subsequently forcing everyone to pay for it one way or another on a government level is really an overstepping of our own decision making process.
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You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
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You should move to a country that will address those problems for you. Then you will see how great American principles actually are and how stupid you are for believing your entitled to something just because you were born.
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Now I don't need to move to a better country, thanks to President Obama.
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Now we are living in a third world country, thanks to Obama. Enjoy it, Shill.
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The phrase "third-world country" lost its meaning at the end of the Cold War. Today we call them "developing nations." We deserve to become the next Guatemala if we refuse to take care of our own just like every other advanced nation. Advanced nations do just that, and even many developing nations have us beat in that department.
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BTW, "promote the general welfare" doesn't mean to force one perspective of general welfare.

Freedom trumps any of this crap.
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Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
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Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
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In the preamble: "to promote the general welfare"
plus...it was supported by all of us progressive individuals who support the President's vision for America to join the ranks of first world Nations who provide universal health care for their citizens...including those who cannot afford to pay a corporation to "insure" them, those who have preexisting conditions, and those who the insurance "corporations" abandon at the first sign of serious or costly illness.

The Bill passed both houses of Congress and was signed into Law by the President of the United States and then vetted by the Supreme Court! Case Closed. If you don't like it you can move to some third world backwater.
 Quoting: Jonboy64 30856182


Then there is that pesky 10th Amendment that says those powers not Enumerated to the Federal Government are the province of the States...

Healthcare has always been the province of the States...

"promoting the General Welfare"...

Gimmi a fuckin' break...

And SCOTUS had to change the definition of "Mandate" to "Tax" in order to find the mandate Constitutional...wouldn't be a big deal except the word "Mandate" was also approved by two houses of Congress and Signed by Obama, so I guess SCOTUS can just re-write any law it sees fit now...

I won't even bring up the fact that when the "Two Houses of Congress" and the Administration ramrodded this on us, the polls indicated almost 70% of the people disapproved of Obamacare...

So I guess the Consent of the Governed means shit now...which is normal in Communism...so I suppose your happy as a puppy in shit!
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Er...I think he is a puppy in shit. Deep shit. He just doesn't know it yet. He still blissfully believes "The Dream".

I would love to follow up the next time he hasto go to the doctor under this free care medicare, LOL! Just to see the look on his face when he realizes what's really up. He will have a rude awakening.

But I've got to thank him for my laugh of the day. Not many posts make me laugh out loud, and I appreciate them!
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Just went to the doc yesterday for fasting labs. They were happy to accept my Medicare card and my $3 co-pay. I retired at 48 years of age with 25 years of Civil Service. Keep on laughing!
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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
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Have you never heard of Medicaid's 'spenddown' provision? The result probably won't be much different than bankruptcy, only slower and eventually perhaps leading to bankruptcy anyway.
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BTW, "promote the general welfare" doesn't mean to force one perspective of general welfare.

Freedom trumps any of this crap.
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Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
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Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
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That freedom isn't absolute is a basic fact of life. Refusing to accept this is quite childish. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
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I don't think NC is gonna go in for that medicaid expansion.and the LIEAP program is out of fund so that means a lot of low income people who applied for assistance on their heating and light bills will not get anything they are out of money.

Gov.McCrory said that we are going to live within our means and so the Medicaid expansion got shot down.
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In the preamble: "to promote the general welfare"
plus...it was supported by all of us progressive individuals who support the President's vision for America to join the ranks of first world Nations who provide universal health care for their citizens...including those who cannot afford to pay a corporation to "insure" them, those who have preexisting conditions, and those who the insurance "corporations" abandon at the first sign of serious or costly illness.

The Bill passed both houses of Congress and was signed into Law by the President of the United States and then vetted by the Supreme Court! Case Closed. If you don't like it you can move to some third world backwater.
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Then there is that pesky 10th Amendment that says those powers not Enumerated to the Federal Government are the province of the States...

Healthcare has always been the province of the States...

"promoting the General Welfare"...

Gimmi a fuckin' break...

And SCOTUS had to change the definition of "Mandate" to "Tax" in order to find the mandate Constitutional...wouldn't be a big deal except the word "Mandate" was also approved by two houses of Congress and Signed by Obama, so I guess SCOTUS can just re-write any law it sees fit now...

I won't even bring up the fact that when the "Two Houses of Congress" and the Administration ramrodded this on us, the polls indicated almost 70% of the people disapproved of Obamacare...

So I guess the Consent of the Governed means shit now...which is normal in Communism...so I suppose your happy as a puppy in shit!
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Er...I think he is a puppy in shit. Deep shit. He just doesn't know it yet. He still blissfully believes "The Dream".

I would love to follow up the next time he hasto go to the doctor under this free care medicare, LOL! Just to see the look on his face when he realizes what's really up. He will have a rude awakening.

But I've got to thank him for my laugh of the day. Not many posts make me laugh out loud, and I appreciate them!
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Just went to the doc yesterday for fasting labs. They were happy to accept my Medicare card and my $3 co-pay. I retired at 48 years of age with 25 years of Civil Service. Keep on laughing!
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The government has been delaying/holding back the massive cuts to physician payments for years now. The cut would bring nearly 30 percent reduction in payment of services. Polls have already showed that if this 30 percent reduction in payment went through, many private practice doctors would have to drop medicare patients, close doors, or be sold to a bigger system to continue to see these patients.

In essence, you're in a category of patients that's highest at risk of loosing access if cuts go through to physicians.
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Just change the system to allow people to choose licensed or unlicensed medical care, and the whole pyramid of problems will collapse. Obamacare is nothing in relation to the whole.
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BTW, "promote the general welfare" doesn't mean to force one perspective of general welfare.

Freedom trumps any of this crap.
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Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
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Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
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Folks don't like nobody being too proud or too free. it scares them because they cannot be the same way in their own lives so they must restrict yours, see?
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The real crime of this obamacare nightmare is that ever since pelosi and reid brought to fruition obama’s nightmare they have been funneling monies from Medicaid and Medicare to the point non-profit, religious have suffered, and many have closed.

Thus, there is now a real problem for the poor and indigent to receive quality healthcare in America and the problem will only grow worse as obama refuses to reign in his spending or robbing from any earmarked funding.
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BTW, "promote the general welfare" doesn't mean to force one perspective of general welfare.

Freedom trumps any of this crap.
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Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
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Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
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Socalled progressives have been all about limiting freedom since day one.


Have a physical or mental special need? Eugenics! Are you non European? Economic isolation!

Sure, they give lip service to equality... Just enough to fit a bumper sticker.

The reality is that progressives only give a damn about themselves and their own power. They will use shills to regurgitate social justice sound bites, and ignore the bankruptcy of humanity it leaves in its wake.

This limitation on freedom statement is the only honest thing that has come from the leftists' mouths.
When everyone looks left, look right. Keep your eyes and your mind open...
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You should move to a country that will address those problems for you. Then you will see how great American principles actually are and how stupid you are for believing your entitled to something just because you were born.
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Now I don't need to move to a better country, thanks to President Obama.
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Now we are living in a third world country, thanks to Obama. Enjoy it, Shill.
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The phrase "third-world country" lost its meaning at the end of the Cold War. Today we call them "developing nations." We deserve to become the next Guatemala if we refuse to take care of our own just like every other advanced nation. Advanced nations do just that, and even many developing nations have us beat in that department.
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Sigh. Then, I wish we were an advanced nation.
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
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With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.

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