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Obamacare Broke Already, And It's Just Beginning...

 
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I believe we are being herded into a single payer system..... like sheep.

Then watch the oppressive hand of government dominate our lives.

sad to watch in this once great nation.
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BTW, "promote the general welfare" doesn't mean to force one perspective of general welfare.

Freedom trumps any of this crap.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34211220


Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3694399


That freedom isn't absolute is a basic fact of life. Refusing to accept this is quite childish. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Actually freedom is the only basic fact of life. Does any other species on earth have 60,000 laws that they have to obey or are they all free?
What needs of the many are fulfilled when a man cannot pay a women for sex or enjoy a plant that god placed here for our use? And these are just 2 examples, so like I said before you really don't think at all you just get your opinion from your masters.
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50.000.000 on food stamps, Obamacare going broke.

Yet Obama said things are better now, USA is doing good.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Yes as long as all the free loading, non working, entitlement receiving, brainless sheep get their meds and free surgeries so they can live long unproductive lives on our dollar.
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779

a "proper social safety net?" insert the word OPRESSIVE. It should be clear to those paying attention that Keynesian economics is a disaster.
The kind of nonsense posted above makes me so angry I can hardly type.

I prefer LIBERTY....and making my own choices.....not some distant knuckle head who thinks he/she knows what is best for me and my family.

FREEDOM!!
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The insane thing is, this is just the first quarter, of the first year...and the Behemoth already needs more money!

The sheer cost of this is going to be insane...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


TARP and QE 1,2,3 failed to "kickstart" anything. Doubling down on failure and kicking the can down the road will lead to a massive collapse.
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Freedom is not absolute. Freedom must be limited for the well-being of society. It's OK though, because the benefits of a well-functioning society greatly outweigh any perceived benefits of absolute freedom, if there actually were such a thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3694399


That freedom isn't absolute is a basic fact of life. Refusing to accept this is quite childish. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Actually freedom is the only basic fact of life. Does any other species on earth have 60,000 laws that they have to obey or are they all free?
What needs of the many are fulfilled when a man cannot pay a women for sex or enjoy a plant that god placed here for our use? And these are just 2 examples, so like I said before you really don't think at all you just get your opinion from your masters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3694399


There are progressive governments that allow cannabis and prostitution. I've been to Amsterdam twice in the past three years. I would say that humans have chosen to live in civilization as a superior alternative to the "law of the jungle." This requires some compromise when it comes to personal liberties, but is well worth it on balance. Government should only limit freedom when necessary for the greater public good.
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779

a "proper social safety net?" insert the word OPRESSIVE. It should be clear to those paying attention that Keynesian economics is a disaster.
The kind of nonsense posted above makes me so angry I can hardly type.

I prefer LIBERTY....and making my own choices.....not some distant knuckle head who thinks he/she knows what is best for me and my family.

FREEDOM!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


Nicely said. Let the communists have their own hell and leave the rest of us alone.
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


TARP and QE 1,2,3 failed to "kickstart" anything. Doubling down on failure and kicking the can down the road will lead to a massive collapse.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Actually, the stimulus is the only reason we still have an economy at all right now. The collapse you describe was prevented by Keynesian stimulus policies, and we are now on the road to recovery.
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Stupid fascists. Can't even start a program before it's broke.

Pinned for you, ST. cheers
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ohyeah
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Freedom must be limited LOL. Why do people want to restrict peoples lives including their own? Do you not think at all?I can never understand this. You will be judged for your oppressive way of life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3694399


That freedom isn't absolute is a basic fact of life. Refusing to accept this is quite childish. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Actually freedom is the only basic fact of life. Does any other species on earth have 60,000 laws that they have to obey or are they all free?
What needs of the many are fulfilled when a man cannot pay a women for sex or enjoy a plant that god placed here for our use? And these are just 2 examples, so like I said before you really don't think at all you just get your opinion from your masters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3694399


There are progressive governments that allow cannabis and prostitution. I've been to Amsterdam twice in the past three years. I would say that humans have chosen to live in civilization as a superior alternative to the "law of the jungle." This requires some compromise when it comes to personal liberties, but is well worth it on balance. Government should only limit freedom when necessary for the greater public good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Sorry guy your little "government should only limit freedom when necessary for the greater public good" statement is newspeak for tyranny.

"Necessity is the plea of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves"

A pox on people who bleat such soul destroying nonsense.
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I'm thinking Obamacare will be the straw that breaks the economy when all is said and done. hf
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Maybe he wants to break it(or has been told to do so) in order to rebuild it into something TPTB want.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


TARP and QE 1,2,3 failed to "kickstart" anything. Doubling down on failure and kicking the can down the road will lead to a massive collapse.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Actually, the stimulus is the only reason we still have an economy at all right now. The collapse you describe was prevented by Keynesian stimulus policies, and we are now on the road to recovery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


rubbish.
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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


throw out the constitution? I don't know pal....these liberties look like a gift from God to me....... they should be cherished and protected by all means possible.

These amendments protect individual rights against government intrusion.

Here is a list of the Bill of Rights:

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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And worth every penny. That's the price to pay for living in a decent, civilized society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779

a "proper social safety net?" insert the word OPRESSIVE. It should be clear to those paying attention that Keynesian economics is a disaster.
The kind of nonsense posted above makes me so angry I can hardly type.

I prefer LIBERTY....and making my own choices.....not some distant knuckle head who thinks he/she knows what is best for me and my family.

FREEDOM!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


Nothing is more oppressive and freedom-limiting than poverty. Poverty is not just a matter of personal failure, but of societal failure. It is everyone's problem. Nothing could be more liberating than ensuring that everyone's basic needs are met. Far from creating an underclass of dependents, this would actually liberate people so they could pursue their real passions in life rather than being subjected to economic exploitation by the capitalist class.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


TARP and QE 1,2,3 failed to "kickstart" anything. Doubling down on failure and kicking the can down the road will lead to a massive collapse.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Actually, the stimulus is the only reason we still have an economy at all right now. The collapse you describe was prevented by Keynesian stimulus policies, and we are now on the road to recovery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


I agree: rubbish. we are now on the road to recovery? Hello? Hellooooo? Hellll o o o o o? Is there anybody in there?
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Fortunately, my state will opt into the Medicaid expansion. That means I will never be without insurance again beginning next January. It also means that never again will I have to file bankruptcy for a life-saving operation. President Obama is definitely moving the country in the right direction, and those who can't see this are fools. A civilized country ensures the health of its citizens, and a shitty country does not. That's why this needs to happen regardless of the cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


throw out the constitution? I don't know pal....these liberties look like a gift from God to me....... they should be cherished and protected by all means possible.

These amendments protect individual rights against government intrusion.

Here is a list of the Bill of Rights:

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
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Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp

 Quoting: Jonboy64 30856182


In the preamble: "to promote the general welfare"
plus...it was supported by all of us progressive individuals who support the President's vision for America to join the ranks of first world Nations who provide universal health care for their citizens...including those who cannot afford to pay a corporation to "insure" them, those who have preexisting conditions, and those who the insurance "corporations" abandon at the first sign of serious or costly illness.

The Bill passed both houses of Congress and was signed into Law by the President of the United States and then vetted by the Supreme Court! Case Closed. If you don't like it you can move to some third world backwater.
 Quoting: Jonboy64 30856182


What a fucking shill! The bill originated in the senate(disqualified immediately) and went through coercive manipulative tactics to "pass" both houses. Everything was bogus, including hiding language in "by reference" clauses.

Obama was in on the fix, and all the insiders got paid off one way or another.

The "law" was upheld by the turncoat supremes under a truly bogus "tax" hypothesis. Of course it's a tax, but it's hidden as a 2000 dollar assessment against every policy, or person without insurance.

I won't be payin', just sayin'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34211220


If you don't like it, ignore it.

This "Obamacare tax" or penalty, or whatever, is a paper tiger. No teeth. Failure to pay the penalty doesn't result in garnishment, liens, or levies. They can't go after your wages, property, bank accounts. If you ignore the penalty you will get a strongly worded letter. I suggest setting aside a special corner of the recycle bin for those strongly worded letters.

I like the earlier post about an attitude of dishonesty towards the government and their collection agency. Even better would be a campaign of disinformation to flood them with phony data. I think that applies to the hellth care providers as well.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
 Quoting: s. d. butler


With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779

a "proper social safety net?" insert the word OPRESSIVE. It should be clear to those paying attention that Keynesian economics is a disaster.
The kind of nonsense posted above makes me so angry I can hardly type.

I prefer LIBERTY....and making my own choices.....not some distant knuckle head who thinks he/she knows what is best for me and my family.

FREEDOM!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


Nothing is more oppressive and freedom-limiting than poverty. Poverty is not just a matter of personal failure, but of societal failure. It is everyone's problem. Nothing could be more liberating than ensuring that everyone's basic needs are met. Far from creating an underclass of dependents, this would actually liberate people so they could pursue their real passions in life rather than being subjected to economic exploitation by the capitalist class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Your sophist argument is a disaster in the making.

socialism/communism has failed everywhere. Wake up before the camps and firing squads "ensure that everyone's basic needs are met'.....by force and compulsion.
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Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


throw out the constitution? I don't know pal....these liberties look like a gift from God to me....... they should be cherished and protected by all means possible.

These amendments protect individual rights against government intrusion.

Here is a list of the Bill of Rights:

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Pure swill.

Rights derive from a creator. They are inherent and unalienable.
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I believe we are being herded into a single payer system..... like sheep.

Then watch the oppressive hand of government dominate our lives.

sad to watch in this once great nation.
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America was and IS great. Forget the people who are begging for this oppressive nanny state...they will submit, and die. The rest are people who will come up with clever ways to get around things. Most of the doctors are pissed off and I believe some will ditch the system. Then the reality of underground healthcare becomes viable. For every shitty thing these people do, an alternative will emerge. It is the American way!!
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Yeah if you can find a Doctor that can speak English and takes Medicaid...

Meanwhile we get to pay the bill for it...

So tell me, where in the Constitution does it Enumerate the power for the Federal Government to take over all healthcare in this country?!?!?

You show me that, and I will get on board with you...
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You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
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throw out the constitution? I don't know pal....these liberties look like a gift from God to me....... they should be cherished and protected by all means possible.

These amendments protect individual rights against government intrusion.

Here is a list of the Bill of Rights:

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
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There IS a God and these liberties are from him.... I want no part of your godless state.
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There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.


Pure swill.

Rights derive from a creator. They are inherent and unalienable.


I agree.
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There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
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Pure swill.

Rights derive from a creator. They are inherent and unalienable.


I agree.



I agree "rights derive from a creator."
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You were already paying for it, you just weren't getting your money's worth. I don't give a flying fuck about the constitution; I say we throw it out and write a new one that addresses the issues of the 21st Century.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


throw out the constitution? I don't know pal....these liberties look like a gift from God to me....... they should be cherished and protected by all means possible.

These amendments protect individual rights against government intrusion.

Here is a list of the Bill of Rights:

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703397


There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


There IS a God and these liberties are from him.... I want no part of your godless state.
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Remember the soviet union was a godless state as well. They have been working on making us commies for decades now starting with the introduction of "evolution" which allowed them to teach our children there's is no god only the state.
People only worship the state now and that's how they want it. It doesn't matter if god would be against killing muzzie children because the state says its OK.
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You still don't get it, do you?

First of all, your "life-saving operation" would have to be approved by the panel as cost effective based ON FUNDS AVAILABLE.

And it's already out of funds for pre-existing conditions.

Soon you won't be able to get the same care at any price!
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That's not how it works in my state.
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It's Federal. That's how it works in ALL states.
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The Medicaid extension is administered by the states. Those of us earning less than 133% of the federal poverty line will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid. Those earning between 133 and 400% of poverty level will be eligible to purchase affordable insurance from state exchanges.
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And 400% of the poverty level for a family of four is 90K. So they will get help. Found a blog explaining this and the person said 11k will go to help these families purchase insurance. That sounds pretty good. So according to the info, my family and I will get help and won't go under because of Obama care. I suppose we will see soon enough.

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So libbies, where's that free health care you thought you were getting.

Suckered again. Don't you feel like a genius now?

Dumbasses. Now we all have to pay for fucking bullshit because you were a retard and bought into this hope and change fucking crap.
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laugh

Financial collapse is "worth every penny".
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With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
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TARP and QE 1,2,3 failed to "kickstart" anything. Doubling down on failure and kicking the can down the road will lead to a massive collapse.
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Actually, the stimulus is the only reason we still have an economy at all right now. The collapse you describe was prevented by Keynesian stimulus policies, and we are now on the road to recovery.
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Let's hope so.
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Nice thread full of incorrect information. Im shocked.
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Instead of saying that and leaving, why not give the correct info?
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With a proper social safety net, the public is far less vulnerable to the disruption of the business cycle. Also, we've known since the time of Keynes that government stimulus is sometimes the only way to kickstart the economy during times of high unemployment.
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a "proper social safety net?" insert the word OPRESSIVE. It should be clear to those paying attention that Keynesian economics is a disaster.
The kind of nonsense posted above makes me so angry I can hardly type.

I prefer LIBERTY....and making my own choices.....not some distant knuckle head who thinks he/she knows what is best for me and my family.

FREEDOM!!
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Nothing is more oppressive and freedom-limiting than poverty. Poverty is not just a matter of personal failure, but of societal failure. It is everyone's problem. Nothing could be more liberating than ensuring that everyone's basic needs are met. Far from creating an underclass of dependents, this would actually liberate people so they could pursue their real passions in life rather than being subjected to economic exploitation by the capitalist class.
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Your sophist argument is a disaster in the making.

socialism/communism has failed everywhere. Wake up before the camps and firing squads "ensure that everyone's basic needs are met'.....by force and compulsion.
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Socialism has failed everywhere? Trying telling that to Sweden and Denmark. They are certainly more socialist than we and yet have a higher standard of living. There's a reason for that: progressive policies work.
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There is no god. Rights derive from the social contract. They are not a gift from anyone; they are a mental and social construct that we agree to abide by for our mutual benefit and the proper functioning of society.
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Pure swill.

Rights derive from a creator. They are inherent and unalienable.


I agree.


Prove your god exists. Oh, you can't? Well, then "he" has no bearing on matters of public policy. Only children believe in fairy tales. Sorry, but secular humanism won out over religion, because it is clearly superior in every way.

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