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30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?

 
alan
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02/16/2013 08:22 PM
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Not a missle, rail gun instead. You people forget, we are living in the future, but our government keeps us in the past.

I bet this is what happend to the ammo bunker in lousisiana that "blew up"

That's just me though, go back to sleep, sheep.
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Them videogames hasnt been healthy for you son, now go to sleep, sheep
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Railguns hurl projectiles at 3,500 m/s (11,500 ft/s, approximately Mach 10 at sea level).

They can also shoot over 50 kilometres.

"The first weaponized railgun planned for production, the General Atomics Blitzer system, began full system testing in September 2010. The weapon launches a streamlined discarding sabot round designed by Boeing's Phantom Works at 1600 m/s (approximately Mach 5) with accelerations exceeding 60,000 g's.[21] During one of the tests, the projectile was able to travel an additional 7km (~4 mi) downrange after penetrating a 1/8 inch (3 mm) thick steel plate. The company hopes to have an integrated demo of the system by 2016 followed by production by 2019, pending funding. Thus far, the project is self-funded.[22]"


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyone who says that meteor couldn't have been shot down is fucking dumbass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34494403


The slowest meteor is 11 km/sec and up to 70 km/sec. Your railgun, 3.5 km/sec. Ain't gonna happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33444413


The example listed was a smaller one under development in 2010.

If you read further along the article, you'll see 5800 m/s confirmed speeds as well, from years ago.

And do you think anything on Wiki is even a decade within current undisclosed military technology?

Russia is full of industrial closed cities and power plants. They've been experimenting with high-energy weapons for decades. I doubt they're far behind the US if at all.
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5.8 km/sec is still not 11 km/sec or 70 km/sec
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Wouldn't need it. You're not trying to race the giant rock, you're trying to intercept it.

Computers have been able to do this with far slower projectiles for decades now.
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02/16/2013 08:24 PM
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Kinetic Projectile loaded at 10 seconds.




[link to www.youtube.com]



They hit it with a Rail Gun, not a missile.
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I've heard of the rail gun but I'm having difficult conceiving how it could be aimed to target an object moving at incredible speeds? How would the projectile track the target? I assumed the rail gun was designed to hit stationary targets (or at least ones traveling at a limited speed).
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC



They have computers that work out the trajectory.

All they have to do is calculate how much to lead the target.
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If it where a railgun or something similar, it should have been mounted on a plane. Because it clearly isn't being fired from the ground. Look at the horizontal angel. But coming from a plane seems almost impossible, because either they have railgun equipped planes 24/7 in the sky all over Russia or they knew this meteor whas coming some hours ahead. And also, I doubt that the energy of a rail charge remains after it has been in contact whith its target. It seems to me it would dissipate on contact whith such a massive object.
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Not a missle, rail gun instead. You people forget, we are living in the future, but our government keeps us in the past.

I bet this is what happend to the ammo bunker in lousisiana that "blew up"

That's just me though, go back to sleep, sheep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18751061


Them videogames hasnt been healthy for you son, now go to sleep, sheep
 Quoting: alan 28142128


Because Railguns only exist in video games, right??

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Dumbass.
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02/16/2013 08:26 PM

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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
That would have to be one kick ass tracking system to pull that off.
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Heat?
 Quoting: TastyThoughts



Railguns are not heat seeking.

They calculate the speed and the trajectory and lead the target to hit it.


They can bring missiles out of the sky with a Rail Gun.


The same principle here, the meteor was coming in at a known angle and speed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


The question is how do you calculate the precice trajectory of an object that is burning up as it enters the atmosphere and thus changing shape, size, composition as it descends? If the descending object does not maintain a consistent form, how can it's trajectory & velocity be precisely measured to the extent that it could be obliterated from a ground-based weapons system firing a projectile from a remote location?

Last Edited by ANHEDONIC on 02/16/2013 08:28 PM

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that was just swamp gas defending us against that green beast!
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Star Wars defense plasma cannon?
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Kinetic Projectile loaded at 10 seconds.




[link to www.youtube.com]



They hit it with a Rail Gun, not a missile.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


I've heard of the rail gun but I'm having difficult conceiving how it could be aimed to target an object moving at incredible speeds? How would the projectile track the target? I assumed the rail gun was designed to hit stationary targets (or at least ones traveling at a limited speed).
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC



They have computers that work out the trajectory.

All they have to do is calculate how much to lead the target.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


If it where a railgun or something similar, it should have been mounted on a plane. Because it clearly isn't being fired from the ground. Look at the horizontal angel. But coming from a plane seems almost impossible, because either they have railgun equipped planes 24/7 in the sky all over Russia or they knew this meteor whas coming some hours ahead. And also, I doubt that the energy of a rail charge remains after it has been in contact whith its target. It seems to me it would dissipate on contact whith such a massive object.
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They make the Kinetic Projectiles out of Special Materials that are super dense. Like Depleted Uranium.

The hole idea behind a kinetic projectile is that you are hurling a very hard chuck of matter at great speeds to get as much penetration as possible.

Its not an Energy Charge, that dissipates on contact.


A rail gun uses electricity to fire a Projectile.
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02/16/2013 08:29 PM
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Looks compelling......
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Yep, another id10t!

It broke apart like normal dude, ffs.
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umm... this is the first time i've seen one break apart and project debris forward...just sayin'




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02/16/2013 08:30 PM
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Why would anyone even try to "shoot down" a meteorite?

That makes zero sense.

It's coming down anyway. What? It's gonna fly away?


Does anyone think anymore?
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02/16/2013 08:32 PM
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Why does everyone just assume it is a meteor? It could be a HTV-2 and the Russians simply shot it down because it was over their airspace.

[link to thecable.foreignpolicy.com]
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02/16/2013 08:34 PM
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That would have to be one kick ass tracking system to pull that off.
 Quoting: mr2


Heat?
 Quoting: TastyThoughts



Railguns are not heat seeking.

They calculate the speed and the trajectory and lead the target to hit it.


They can bring missiles out of the sky with a Rail Gun.


The same principle here, the meteor was coming in at a known angle and speed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


The question is how do you calculate the precice trajectory of an object that is burning up as it enters the atmosphere and thus changing shape, size, composition as it descends? If the descending object does not maintain a consistent form, how can it's trajectory & velocity be precisely measured to the extent that it could be obliterated from a ground-based weapons system firing a projectile from a remote location?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


An object with that kind of mass is not hard to track. Bits are breaking off, yeah, but due to massive momentum, the thing will not change direction quickly.

With the heat signature on top if its mass, tracking systems would light up that thing no problem. A human could calculate the tracectory with a pen and paper if he knew how far he was from everything, and it would take you some minutes, but you could do it. A computer can do that math a billion times a second.
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That would have to be one kick ass tracking system to pull that off.
 Quoting: mr2


Heat?
 Quoting: TastyThoughts



Railguns are not heat seeking.

They calculate the speed and the trajectory and lead the target to hit it.


They can bring missiles out of the sky with a Rail Gun.


The same principle here, the meteor was coming in at a known angle and speed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


The question is how do you calculate the precice trajectory of an object that is burning up as it enters the atmosphere and thus changing shape, size, composition as it descends? If the descending object does not maintain a consistent form, how can it's trajectory & velocity be precisely measured to the extent that it could be obliterated from a ground-based weapons system firing a projectile from a remote location?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


You code an algorithm into the computer targeting system that takes account for the burning and decomposition of the incoming object. Its known that the decomposition will effect the angle, so they only have to determine how much to adjust.
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Why would anyone even try to "shoot down" a meteorite?

That makes zero sense.

It's coming down anyway. What? It's gonna fly away?


Does anyone think anymore?
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Breaking it into smaller pieces greatly lessens the impact.
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
What we are ALL no remembering is the government has weapons and technology that you couldnt even dream of. They made a huge battleship disappear like 60 years ago and reappear miles away with people fused into the metal.

this was either an alien assistance shot or a VERY secret military defense lazer, bullet, cannon, beam etc that did this.

the video CLEARLY shows something coming from behind it, entering it then breaking pieces off then debris flying forward of the main mass.

great video and 5 stars
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Well, Russia did say it had a counter measure to the missile shield that was threatening its borders, I wouldn't be surprised if they have it up and running and on standby in case a stray missile, meteortie or even ufo should enter its territory.

So perhaps this is just confirmation of the fact it works and also gors some way to explaining why we see two smoke trails prior to the dessimation of the meteorite.
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solar warden probably wanted to keep the world supply of vodka
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*decimation*.
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Why would anyone even try to "shoot down" a meteorite?

That makes zero sense.

It's coming down anyway. What? It's gonna fly away?


Does anyone think anymore?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048



As soon as they shot it, the object broke up into many shards and disintegrated.

If they didnt shoot it down, it would have made impact !
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Why would anyone even try to "shoot down" a meteorite?

That makes zero sense.

It's coming down anyway. What? It's gonna fly away?


Does anyone think anymore?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048



If that had hit the ground as a solid lump of rock, their would probably be millions dead.

end off.
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That would have to be one kick ass tracking system to pull that off.
 Quoting: mr2


Heat?
 Quoting: TastyThoughts



Railguns are not heat seeking.

They calculate the speed and the trajectory and lead the target to hit it.


They can bring missiles out of the sky with a Rail Gun.


The same principle here, the meteor was coming in at a known angle and speed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


The question is how do you calculate the precice trajectory of an object that is burning up as it enters the atmosphere and thus changing shape, size, composition as it descends? If the descending object does not maintain a consistent form, how can it's trajectory & velocity be precisely measured to the extent that it could be obliterated from a ground-based weapons system firing a projectile from a remote location?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


That question would be irrelevant if this talk of it not being a meteor at all keeps coming up. [link to www.youtube.com]
Open mind required !

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terrorists, rogue nations and asteroids

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I would have shot it from in front of it... as it came towards me. I could get several missiles in to increase my chances.

I would shoot from the side failing that, and intercept.

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i used to shoot mofos with my railgun in q3.
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The large meteor had associated smaller meteors. A trailing, denser, smaller meteor, partially protected in the slip-stream, continued at a faster velocity than the larger meteor, which was slowed and heated dramatically by friction with the Earth's atmosphere.
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Looks more like a couple of trailing chunks hit each other and one of them rebounded into the larger mass in front.
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Would trailing chunks gain speed and go faster than the main rock?
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
The large meteor had associated smaller meteors. A trailing, denser, smaller meteor, partially protected in the slip-stream, continued at a faster velocity than the larger meteor, which was slowed and heated dramatically by friction with the Earth's atmosphere.
 Quoting: MuzzleBreak


A smaller meteor broke up, fell back, and then gained on the meteor fast enough to blow it apart on impact?

Impossible.
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Didn't the Russians say they shot something down, specifically a new us weapon? How come this is so hard to believe that it was shot down?
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Good grief.

Why?
Who?
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It could be a simple automatic missle defence system, pretty sure heat seeking missles would be able to track it, however that missle would have to hauling ass, but if you thing about it it would have to be capeable of this if it wants to intercept warheads that are fired from space.
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Track it yes, but catch up to it, NOT A FUCKING CHANCE>..
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who needs to catch it? they shoot if from the front or side and let it catch up with what you shot it with.
Who knows how long they knew it was coming and prepared for it?
some of those vids look like a small nuke went off.
much better to blast it to small parts which have less mass and will do less damage than let it hit with its full mass and do untold damage.

If it was shot down there is no doubt that took lots of inertia and mass from it. letting it hit several small areas with limited damage vs hitting a city center at full blast.
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Re: 30 Second Update - Russian Meteor Shot Down:CONFIRMED?
Fragments don't fly/drop faster than the large mass they leave... More like the opposite...

Missiles don't suddenly appear, then fly through such a hard target, without exploding, without changing projectary and then suddenly disappear again...

Either this is fake as h3ll or else some type of very stealthy hard/protected projectile/craft did the job...

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