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MOLON LABE: Oath Keepers Founder Gives Speech To 3,000 NY Gun Owners; Sets April 19th Deadline For Public Servants To Choose Sides. So It Begins!

 
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Keep your guns America. Being an unarmed peasant isn't fun.
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So what will your countrymen do when your .gov becomes overly tyrannical?
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He told the crowd to use April 19, 2013, the upcoming anniversary of the battle of Lexington and Concord, in 1775, as the deadline for their sheriff, police chiefs [and all other oath sworn public servants] to choose sides – “are they patriots, or are they redcoats?”

I can't state in strong enough terms how significant this is.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier

Do you suspect 19APR2013 will be a Ft. Sumter day?

Or maybe it's just a good day to draw a line in the sand?

It has ominous overtones. A nonverbal threat?
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Is it coincidence that this is also a Satanic Holiday!
Let us beware, of those who would start revolution when there is no need too.

All we need to do is start voting common folks into public office and hold those in public office accountable for their actions/in-action.
 Quoting: Mr Mike 33468353


Why do we keep putting the same people in office? Incumbent r re-elected about 90% of the time.

[link to www.opensecrets.org]
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The System supports and nourishes The System.

That, and the fact that most voters are brainwashed Sheeple.

This is an example of why the USA is not ready to resist TPTB.
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as i said on a different thread, the world is watching and waiting and hoping because the disarmamament of the US is the only obstacle left to world tyranny.
if you capitulate now, we will all live as slaves forever.
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The world cannot depend on one nation to be a savior to the world. The USA cannot save the world. It cannot even save itself at this point. It will fail like all empires before it eventually failed, and the world will have to learn to move on. The American economic collapse is coming soon. Then a global depression for all will follow. We'll then see if it is followed by a US political collapse or a middle-class civilian collapse into bondage after that.

This is a good opportunity for us to stop believing in any nation as our savior, and embrace the only true Savior of this world, Yeshua Ha'Machiach (Jesus the Messiah.) He is our and this world's only real Savior. For only He can save us now. That is truth.
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For all the marxist mongoloids who still believe that Nazi (as in National-SOCIALIST) Germany didn't have gun control and those who naively believe that american gun "laws" won't affect the rest of the world...

[link to oi49.tinypic.com]

If americans lose their guns it's gonna be game over for the whole world...
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I know that the Nazi Germans had gun control for the minority races. And I assure you that my views on politics are way more conservative and Libertarian than your German Socialist government's views currently are. But most of the rest of the world already has draconian gun control laws, despite the historical gun freedoms in the USA.

So don't put your hopes and dreams on the "American Dream," as it is about to be lost.
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This is a society well prepared for resistance.
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Never thought about that, that there was no 2nd Amendment in 1775.
Gonna be a lot more C. Dorners in the coming months/years starting in NY.
 Quoting: T-Cain

I don't think America is that well-prepared for a resistance. They have lots of sporting guns, yes. But do they have a military? Do they have C.B.R.N. deterrents? Do they have an air force? Do they have an army? Do they have a nave? Do they have a space command? Do they have satellites? Do they have other nations supporting them with seemingly unlimited funds, personnel and equipment? And do they have the support of the masses of people & military?

There was no need for a 2nd Amendment in 1775 because they all understood arms to be a natural right. They needed to be able to defend themselves from the French (a government) and the Indians (self-defence). Of that, there was no question, until King George (the .gov) thought otherwise. The 2nd Amendment is clearly a reminder to the .gov to stay in line.
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not just a reminder to the gov but to the people
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836


That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074


mr. mexico.....

if protecting your own freedom is not worth dying for WHAT IS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34254401

Of course it is. But if you already know the outcome is going to be one of a lost cause in advance, do you still go through with your sacrifice?

For instance, if you lived in Germany in 1933 as a Jewish person, and knew what the future held, would you stay and fight? Or would you leave before TSHTF?

Some of us already know this outcome in advance.

The NWO has a date of reckoning coming with God, and no man is going to prevent that from happening. And the USA is the current public vanguard of the NWO.

If I was a conscript pressed into service on a monster warship (that used to be my luxury cruiseliner home) headed out to conquer the land and confront my real Captain in battle, should I stay and try in vain to turn the heavily guarded ship around? Or should I jump ship and find my way to a new home?

Some see clearly the handwriting on the wall.

Others don't.
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No one knows the outcome yet. you seem to be working overtime to make it easier for them to roll over us by talking the sheep into staying. I also view most of your post to be pre season attack on morale (on behalf of who).
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Boy those "oath keepers" are real nutbags. I sure hope law enforcement keeps a close eye on them.
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LOL! Um, they are law enforcement...
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This is a society well prepared for resistance.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Never thought about that, that there was no 2nd Amendment in 1775.
Gonna be a lot more C. Dorners in the coming months/years starting in NY.
 Quoting: T-Cain

I don't think America is that well-prepared for a resistance. They have lots of sporting guns, yes. But do they have a military? Do they have C.B.R.N. deterrents? Do they have an air force? Do they have an army? Do they have a nave? Do they have a space command? Do they have satellites? Do they have other nations supporting them with seemingly unlimited funds, personnel and equipment? And do they have the support of the masses of people & military?

There was no need for a 2nd Amendment in 1775 because they all understood arms to be a natural right. They needed to be able to defend themselves from the French (a government) and the Indians (self-defence). Of that, there was no question, until King George (the .gov) thought otherwise. The 2nd Amendment is clearly a reminder to the .gov to stay in line.
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not just a reminder to the gov but to the people
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True. As they say, an armed society is a polite society.
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He'll be charged with tax evasion or child pornography real soon - that's the way the .gov rolls !
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You got that right!
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That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074


mr. mexico.....

if protecting your own freedom is not worth dying for WHAT IS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34254401

Of course it is. But if you already know the outcome is going to be one of a lost cause in advance, do you still go through with your sacrifice?

For instance, if you lived in Germany in 1933 as a Jewish person, and knew what the future held, would you stay and fight? Or would you leave before TSHTF?

Some of us already know this outcome in advance.

The NWO has a date of reckoning coming with God, and no man is going to prevent that from happening. And the USA is the current public vanguard of the NWO.

If I was a conscript pressed into service on a monster warship (that used to be my luxury cruiseliner home) headed out to conquer the land and confront my real Captain in battle, should I stay and try in vain to turn the heavily guarded ship around? Or should I jump ship and find my way to a new home?

Some see clearly the handwriting on the wall.

Others don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34641947


No one knows the outcome yet. you seem to be working overtime to make it easier for them to roll over us by talking the sheep into staying. I also view most of your post to be pre season attack on morale (on behalf of who).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

I believe in the bible. And I believe we are living in the End Times now. And I believe in bible prophecy. Because of all of this, I believe the bible when it says the Antichrist's pseudo-world government (which I believe to be the NWO) will dominate and control everything in the West.

By default, that suggests the USA too, especially when the USA .gov seems to be the public vanguard of the NWO right now. And no nation or people will stop the NWO. Only the return of the King, Yeshua(Jesus) will stop it.

So, although I recommend resisting it, I also recommend evading it. I understand the outcome of the NWO. And I understand that only God will stop the NWO, for it is written. The USA will not stop the NWO. So where does that leave us?

And no nation will stand in Israel's defense when Russia and its allies soon attack it. So, the great America, the world protector that we all knew, appears to be missing in the End-Times picture. Or at least neutralized.

And if America turns out to be the daughter of Babylon? Then we will know that it will likely be destroyed. When a nation turns against God, He will lift his divine protection from it.

I don't want people to stay. And I don't want anyone to give up their rights. Nor do I want anyone to be afraid. I do rather want them to be informed of the reality of this situation, so they can plan more realistically. And I want them to understand the big picture in play here, for that is my responsibility. The big picture is bigger than just the fate of the USA. That is just one piece of the puzzle within the End Time events which are unfolding on this planet.

People need to prepare for the worst. And more importantly, they need to prepare their hearts for God, for He is our only rescue from this planet's fate.
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For the last several years, the leftist propaganda machine has taken every opportunity to demonize conservatives as racist, violent extremists and a great deal of the low information mouth-breathers accepted it unquestioningly as truth.

The conservatives will not start this, but they are already being framed.

A flase-flag is looming on the horizon. I'd bet money on it.
 Quoting: Dr. Lecter

Yes, probably more than one.

Perhaps one inside the Godfather's fiefdom?

And perhaps one staged inside the Beltway by TPTB?
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mr. mexico.....

if protecting your own freedom is not worth dying for WHAT IS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34254401

Of course it is. But if you already know the outcome is going to be one of a lost cause in advance, do you still go through with your sacrifice?

For instance, if you lived in Germany in 1933 as a Jewish person, and knew what the future held, would you stay and fight? Or would you leave before TSHTF?

Some of us already know this outcome in advance.

The NWO has a date of reckoning coming with God, and no man is going to prevent that from happening. And the USA is the current public vanguard of the NWO.

If I was a conscript pressed into service on a monster warship (that used to be my luxury cruiseliner home) headed out to conquer the land and confront my real Captain in battle, should I stay and try in vain to turn the heavily guarded ship around? Or should I jump ship and find my way to a new home?

Some see clearly the handwriting on the wall.

Others don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34641947


No one knows the outcome yet. you seem to be working overtime to make it easier for them to roll over us by talking the sheep into staying. I also view most of your post to be pre season attack on morale (on behalf of who).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

I believe in the bible. And I believe we are living in the End Times now. And I believe in bible prophecy. Because of all of this, I believe the bible when it says the Antichrist's pseudo-world government (which I believe to be the NWO) will dominate and control everything in the West.

By default, that suggests the USA too, especially when the USA .gov seems to be the public vanguard of the NWO right now. And no nation or people will stop the NWO. Only the return of the King, Yeshua(Jesus) will stop it.

So, although I recommend resisting it, I also recommend evading it. I understand the outcome of the NWO. And I understand that only God will stop the NWO, for it is written. The USA will not stop the NWO. So where does that leave us?

And no nation will stand in Israel's defense when Russia and its allies soon attack it. So, the great America, the world protector that we all knew, appears to be missing in the End-Times picture. Or at least neutralized.

And if America turns out to be the daughter of Babylon? Then we will know that it will likely be destroyed. When a nation turns against God, He will lift his divine protection from it.

I don't want people to stay. And I don't want anyone to give up their rights. Nor do I want anyone to be afraid. I do rather want them to be informed of the reality of this situation, so they can plan more realistically. And I want them to understand the big picture in play here, for that is my responsibility. The big picture is bigger than just the fate of the USA. That is just one piece of the puzzle within the End Time events which are unfolding on this planet.

People need to prepare for the worst. And more importantly, they need to prepare their hearts for God, for He is our only rescue from this planet's fate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34641947


my problem with religion (in its current state) is it basically tells people they shouldn't take any action themselves to remedy evil around them and for them to expect someone/something else to take care of it for them. It is this passive nature that has allowed us to reach the dismal point we're coming to. They fill the churches, donate to "charities" while doing nothing about our countrymen being sent to other countries to commit literal genocide. Not a few men who lost some screws but to carry out official orders going door to door executing even women and children in cafes (before iraq 2.0)
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Of course it is. But if you already know the outcome is going to be one of a lost cause in advance, do you still go through with your sacrifice?

For instance, if you lived in Germany in 1933 as a Jewish person, and knew what the future held, would you stay and fight? Or would you leave before TSHTF?

Some of us already know this outcome in advance.

The NWO has a date of reckoning coming with God, and no man is going to prevent that from happening. And the USA is the current public vanguard of the NWO.

If I was a conscript pressed into service on a monster warship (that used to be my luxury cruiseliner home) headed out to conquer the land and confront my real Captain in battle, should I stay and try in vain to turn the heavily guarded ship around? Or should I jump ship and find my way to a new home?

Some see clearly the handwriting on the wall.

Others don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34641947


No one knows the outcome yet. you seem to be working overtime to make it easier for them to roll over us by talking the sheep into staying. I also view most of your post to be pre season attack on morale (on behalf of who).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

I believe in the bible. And I believe we are living in the End Times now. And I believe in bible prophecy. Because of all of this, I believe the bible when it says the Antichrist's pseudo-world government (which I believe to be the NWO) will dominate and control everything in the West.

By default, that suggests the USA too, especially when the USA .gov seems to be the public vanguard of the NWO right now. And no nation or people will stop the NWO. Only the return of the King, Yeshua(Jesus) will stop it.

So, although I recommend resisting it, I also recommend evading it. I understand the outcome of the NWO. And I understand that only God will stop the NWO, for it is written. The USA will not stop the NWO. So where does that leave us?

And no nation will stand in Israel's defense when Russia and its allies soon attack it. So, the great America, the world protector that we all knew, appears to be missing in the End-Times picture. Or at least neutralized.

And if America turns out to be the daughter of Babylon? Then we will know that it will likely be destroyed. When a nation turns against God, He will lift his divine protection from it.

I don't want people to stay. And I don't want anyone to give up their rights. Nor do I want anyone to be afraid. I do rather want them to be informed of the reality of this situation, so they can plan more realistically. And I want them to understand the big picture in play here, for that is my responsibility. The big picture is bigger than just the fate of the USA. That is just one piece of the puzzle within the End Time events which are unfolding on this planet.

People need to prepare for the worst. And more importantly, they need to prepare their hearts for God, for He is our only rescue from this planet's fate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34641947


my problem with religion (in its current state) is it basically tells people they shouldn't take any action themselves to remedy evil around them and for them to expect someone/something else to take care of it for them. It is this passive nature that has allowed us to reach the dismal point we're coming to. They fill the churches, donate to "charities" while doing nothing about our countrymen being sent to other countries to commit literal genocide. Not a few men who lost some screws but to carry out official orders going door to door executing even women and children in cafes (before iraq 2.0)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

I think it is our responsibility to try to make this world a better place. In some respects this has been successful. I think the greatness of the USA is a testament to that. But now, over time and recently, I think we have collectively failed, and now are reaping the rewards of that failure, in the form of tyranny and destruction.

There comes a point when good Christian people become such a minority that their prayers become so small in comparison to all the evil that is happening around them. And when things get completely out of control, such as in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, then disaster tends to happen. And that's where I think we are today.

Many people, many Christians included, don't like to take responsibility for their safety or actions. But I think there is plenty of blame to be handed out to Christians for allowing the USA to degrade into the low moral state it has become today. And now, naturally tyranny will follow. It unfortunately is inevitible. When people turn their back on God, He will do the same to them. And here we are.

But if the people of America will turn back to God, He will hear their prayers, and will heal their lands. I wish and pray that this will happen to America now, for it is way past time for national repentance. And it is the only way to save the USA now.

The pearls of your life are in your hand, and the swine of the nation are before you. So what now do you do?
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[link to www.thedailydigest.org]

"Most of modern society’s problems are not new, save a few relating to technology. People don’t change, it is what it is. The founding fathers understood this well – that the basic application of human psychology always drives the issue. Once we understand this and clearly look at history we can see the rapid rise of crime in America was fostered to provoke a predetermined response: The weakness of dependence.

We rely on the State to protect us from criminals. Our children are conditioned this way while they are held hostage in prisons cleverly disguised as schools where the State strips away their creativity and replaces it with obedience training.

Our adults are so Pavlovian that they bleat like sheep for security that doesn’t (and cannot ever) exist. We’ve been slowly conditioned to this for nearly 100 years.

We’ve stopped holding ourselves responsible for our own lives and safety and have been instead taught to blame society for our problems, to look to the government for solutions, for our personal protection, and even sustenance.

Meanwhile, there is a tremendous body of Supreme Court case law which demonstrates reality: The police do not have any duty whatsoever to protect an individual. Indeed, there is a law suit pending right now in disarmed New York where City lawyers are claiming that they do not have a legal obligation to protect a citizen. Not to mention, this foolhardy reliance is based on a response which at best, takes several minutes to “rescue” you.

In places such as NYC or Chicago, your natural right of self defense has even been criminalized. You MUST dial 911 for a government sanctioned application of violence, or defend yourself and risk jail."
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You talk absolute gobshite. Capitalism is based on the rise of the bourgeoisie WITHIN Anglo-Saxon unwritten law (not written Roman law). Within that rose such concepts as due process, merit and of course, the rule of law. Out went feudal corn growing servitude. Industrialising English cities were the heart for the rise of the new accumulative process which incidentally, no other industrialsed culture has been able to amplify and extend other than the Anglo-Saxon countries. Thus it is no surprise that the exchanges through which global capital flows remains firmly in the Anglo-Saxon lands.


You are so full of it. College student?



The term capitalism, in its modern sense, comes from the writings of Karl Marx.[4] Before Marx, "capitalism" simply referred to the possession of capital.[10]


Capitalism existed in the ancient world. It was reinvented in the Western world with the collapse of feudalism, brought about BY ARMED PEOPLE.


You are hung up on Angle Saxons for some reason. And neither the Angles nor the Saxons control the modern monetary (made up fiat) system. That is controlled mainly by Jewish banking families and THEIR interbreeding with many of the ruling families of Europe and England.

The rest are the banking families of the USA and the families that created the US secret services.


The very same people that funded your philosophically absurd communist systems are the very same people who have enslaved you and all of Europe and only have to finish off America and Canada for a completely disarmed slave class.



You aren't even a marxist are you. You support the ruling classes. Too bad you are only one pawn among millions to them.
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Just go away and play with the kids. Capital is by definition based on the accumulation of labour surplus within a modern, non-corn growing context. If you aren't able to figure that out, go out and read up on the nature of property ownership in the English common law. Fucking upstart!!
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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The Treaty. Hahahahaha. Like it will make an ounce of a difference to whether capital is sent abroad for the best return. Keep dreaming, sunny Jimbo. Eventually, that nail in your arse may eventually switch that brain one. Who knows!!
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So I was right.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Yeah you were right. You are stupid!

Probably some Russkie who tagged on Orly's coat tails when she made that crossing to the US in that bathtub.

Off yer go, Ivan...off to school with yer!!! Time to get some civilisation!
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"Most of modern society’s problems are not new, save a few relating to technology. People don’t change, it is what it is. The founding fathers understood this well – that the basic application of human psychology always drives the issue. Once we understand this and clearly look at history we can see the rapid rise of crime in America was fostered to provoke a predetermined response: The weakness of dependence.

We rely on the State to protect us from criminals. Our children are conditioned this way while they are held hostage in prisons cleverly disguised as schools where the State strips away their creativity and replaces it with obedience training.

Our adults are so Pavlovian that they bleat like sheep for security that doesn’t (and cannot ever) exist. We’ve been slowly conditioned to this for nearly 100 years.

We’ve stopped holding ourselves responsible for our own lives and safety and have been instead taught to blame society for our problems, to look to the government for solutions, for our personal protection, and even sustenance.

Meanwhile, there is a tremendous body of Supreme Court case law which demonstrates reality: The police do not have any duty whatsoever to protect an individual. Indeed, there is a law suit pending right now in disarmed New York where City lawyers are claiming that they do not have a legal obligation to protect a citizen. Not to mention, this foolhardy reliance is based on a response which at best, takes several minutes to “rescue” you.

In places such as NYC or Chicago, your natural right of self defense has even been criminalized. You MUST dial 911 for a government sanctioned application of violence, or defend yourself and risk jail."
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"Most of modern society’s problems are not new, save a few relating to technology. People don’t change, it is what it is. The founding fathers understood this well – that the basic application of human psychology always drives the issue. Once we understand this and clearly look at history we can see the rapid rise of crime in America was fostered to provoke a predetermined response: The weakness of dependence.

We rely on the State to protect us from criminals. Our children are conditioned this way while they are held hostage in prisons cleverly disguised as schools where the State strips away their creativity and replaces it with obedience training.

Our adults are so Pavlovian that they bleat like sheep for security that doesn’t (and cannot ever) exist. We’ve been slowly conditioned to this for nearly 100 years.

We’ve stopped holding ourselves responsible for our own lives and safety and have been instead taught to blame society for our problems, to look to the government for solutions, for our personal protection, and even sustenance.

Meanwhile, there is a tremendous body of Supreme Court case law which demonstrates reality: The police do not have any duty whatsoever to protect an individual. Indeed, there is a law suit pending right now in disarmed New York where City lawyers are claiming that they do not have a legal obligation to protect a citizen. Not to mention, this foolhardy reliance is based on a response which at best, takes several minutes to “rescue” you.

In places such as NYC or Chicago, your natural right of self defense has even been criminalized. You MUST dial 911 for a government sanctioned application of violence, or defend yourself and risk jail."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041


Here, right here is a bush understanding of Anglo-Saxon norms. For one, the police are civil servants and as such, are obliged to act for the civil good. Secondly, lawyers are officers of the court and are obliged to act in upholding THE GOOD NAME OF THAT ARM OF THE STATE.....NOT.... protect citizens. The fact that they act in that regard to apply the law effectively in that venue, the presumption is that justice is served.

You people are making a mockery of the great traditions you were gifted. Is it any wonder that Piers is exasperated with you fools
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"Most of modern society’s problems are not new, save a few relating to technology. People don’t change, it is what it is. The founding fathers understood this well – that the basic application of human psychology always drives the issue. Once we understand this and clearly look at history we can see the rapid rise of crime in America was fostered to provoke a predetermined response: The weakness of dependence.

We rely on the State to protect us from criminals. Our children are conditioned this way while they are held hostage in prisons cleverly disguised as schools where the State strips away their creativity and replaces it with obedience training.

Our adults are so Pavlovian that they bleat like sheep for security that doesn’t (and cannot ever) exist. We’ve been slowly conditioned to this for nearly 100 years.

We’ve stopped holding ourselves responsible for our own lives and safety and have been instead taught to blame society for our problems, to look to the government for solutions, for our personal protection, and even sustenance.

Meanwhile, there is a tremendous body of Supreme Court case law which demonstrates reality: The police do not have any duty whatsoever to protect an individual. Indeed, there is a law suit pending right now in disarmed New York where City lawyers are claiming that they do not have a legal obligation to protect a citizen. Not to mention, this foolhardy reliance is based on a response which at best, takes several minutes to “rescue” you.

In places such as NYC or Chicago, your natural right of self defense has even been criminalized. You MUST dial 911 for a government sanctioned application of violence, or defend yourself and risk jail."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041


Here, right here is a bush understanding of Anglo-Saxon norms. For one, the police are civil servants and as such, are obliged to act for the civil good. Secondly, lawyers are officers of the court and are obliged to act in upholding THE GOOD NAME OF THAT ARM OF THE STATE.....NOT.... protect citizens. The fact that they act in that regard to apply the law effectively in that venue, the presumption is that justice is served.

You people are making a mockery of the great traditions you were gifted. Is it any wonder that Piers is exasperated with you fools
 Quoting: Marxist


The police are to the rulers as the edge is to the knife.
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"Most of modern society’s problems are not new, save a few relating to technology. People don’t change, it is what it is. The founding fathers understood this well – that the basic application of human psychology always drives the issue. Once we understand this and clearly look at history we can see the rapid rise of crime in America was fostered to provoke a predetermined response: The weakness of dependence.

We rely on the State to protect us from criminals. Our children are conditioned this way while they are held hostage in prisons cleverly disguised as schools where the State strips away their creativity and replaces it with obedience training.

Our adults are so Pavlovian that they bleat like sheep for security that doesn’t (and cannot ever) exist. We’ve been slowly conditioned to this for nearly 100 years.

We’ve stopped holding ourselves responsible for our own lives and safety and have been instead taught to blame society for our problems, to look to the government for solutions, for our personal protection, and even sustenance.

Meanwhile, there is a tremendous body of Supreme Court case law which demonstrates reality: The police do not have any duty whatsoever to protect an individual. Indeed, there is a law suit pending right now in disarmed New York where City lawyers are claiming that they do not have a legal obligation to protect a citizen. Not to mention, this foolhardy reliance is based on a response which at best, takes several minutes to “rescue” you.

In places such as NYC or Chicago, your natural right of self defense has even been criminalized. You MUST dial 911 for a government sanctioned application of violence, or defend yourself and risk jail."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876041


Here, right here is a bush understanding of Anglo-Saxon norms. For one, the police are civil servants and as such, are obliged to act for the civil good. Secondly, lawyers are officers of the court and are obliged to act in upholding THE GOOD NAME OF THAT ARM OF THE STATE.....NOT.... protect citizens. The fact that they act in that regard to apply the law effectively in that venue, the presumption is that justice is served.

You people are making a mockery of the great traditions you were gifted. Is it any wonder that Piers is exasperated with you fools
 Quoting: Marxist


The police are to the rulers as the edge is to the knife.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.

As with all government founded on the principles of the commons, there is some expectation that members of that commons will conduct themselves reasonably. To write off a whole body of civil servants as you do is unreasonable.
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Here, right here is a bush understanding of Anglo-Saxon norms. For one, the police are civil servants and as such, are obliged to act for the civil good. Secondly, lawyers are officers of the court and are obliged to act in upholding THE GOOD NAME OF THAT ARM OF THE STATE.....NOT.... protect citizens. The fact that they act in that regard to apply the law effectively in that venue, the presumption is that justice is served.

You people are making a mockery of the great traditions you were gifted. Is it any wonder that Piers is exasperated with you fools
 Quoting: Marxist


The police are to the rulers as the edge is to the knife.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.

As with all government founded on the principles of the commons, there is some expectation that members of that commons will conduct themselves reasonably. To write off a whole body of civil servants as you do is unreasonable.
 Quoting: Marxist


laugh Well, if that's the case I'm flattered and in good company. I am not in the same league as Bastiat, Thoreau, Mark Twain, Mencken and to many others to name but I'm proud to stand with them.

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Here, right here is a bush understanding of Anglo-Saxon norms. For one, the police are civil servants and as such, are obliged to act for the civil good. Secondly, lawyers are officers of the court and are obliged to act in upholding THE GOOD NAME OF THAT ARM OF THE STATE.....NOT.... protect citizens. The fact that they act in that regard to apply the law effectively in that venue, the presumption is that justice is served.

You people are making a mockery of the great traditions you were gifted. Is it any wonder that Piers is exasperated with you fools
 Quoting: Marxist


The police are to the rulers as the edge is to the knife.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.

As with all government founded on the principles of the commons, there is some expectation that members of that commons will conduct themselves reasonably. To write off a whole body of civil servants as you do is unreasonable.
 Quoting: Marxist


laugh Well, if that's the case I'm flattered and in good company. I am not in the same league as Bastiat, Thoreau, Mark Twain, Mencken and to many others to name but I'm proud to stand with them.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Don't kid yourself. There is a vast gulf between analyses borne of Reason and intellectual pygmyism.
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You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.
 Quoting: Marxist


There is not much democracy left in the US today. The presidents are puppets under the same masters. The dollar is completely controlled by a few super rich banksters with no morals whatsoever. The MSM are owned by the very same people.

Thay have worked themselves into power over the decades. Now they are in a position where they basically can do anything. The last thing that stand in the way is an armed population. When the guns have been taken, there will be a totalitarian police state. Governed by coorporations in the hands of a few. Everyone opposing to this inhuman system will be put in camps or executed.

The coming battle will be the last stand of free men.
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You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.
 Quoting: Marxist


There is not much democracy left in the US today. The presidents are puppets under the same masters. The dollar is completely controlled by a few super rich banksters with no morals whatsoever. The MSM are owned by the very same people.

Thay have worked themselves into power over the decades. Now they are in a position where they basically can do anything. The last thing that stand in the way is an armed population. When the guns have been taken, there will be a totalitarian police state. Governed by coorporations in the hands of a few. Everyone opposing to this inhuman system will be put in camps or executed.

The coming battle will be the last stand of free men.
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Don't talk rubbish. Wealth naturally consolidates in capitaism. However, to suggest that the modernity of capital somehow detracts from its undelying merit based logic (with the usual resort to calls for feudalist alternatives posing as freedom), is the utterly crass stance of the intellectual primitive.

The modernity of capitalism is here to stay. It will be the basis for our next cultural flowering. Fortunately, intellectual primitiveness is on the wane bar a few eggheads.
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The modernity of capitalism is here to stay. It will be the basis for our next cultural flowering. Fortunately, intellectual primitiveness is on the wane bar a few eggheads.
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"Modernity of capitalism"... What does that mean? No laws against monopoly? No laws against politicians beeing bought? No laws against private central banks? No laws against privatized military and police?

Capitalism is wonderful if it operates in a democratic system with rules. Without rules capitalism will lead to a totalitarian state controlled by ruthless coorporations.
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The police are to the rulers as the edge is to the knife.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


You are a trouble maker. You clearly have a grudge to bear with the system of ordered government the US inherited and thus attack it with wild and unfounded allegations.

Basically, for all its faults, you have a fairly civilised system of government in the US (contrast it with say Hitlers Germany where slaves were the norm). It is not perfect, but by most measures it is reasonably even handed.

As with all government founded on the principles of the commons, there is some expectation that members of that commons will conduct themselves reasonably. To write off a whole body of civil servants as you do is unreasonable.
 Quoting: Marxist


laugh Well, if that's the case I'm flattered and in good company. I am not in the same league as Bastiat, Thoreau, Mark Twain, Mencken and to many others to name but I'm proud to stand with them.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Don't kid yourself. There is a vast gulf between analyses borne of Reason and intellectual pygmyism.
 Quoting: Marxist


Ah yes, the real intellectual giants in your psychopathic world are mass murderers and torturers like mao and stalin.

To the perverted those who speak for freedom and individuality are "pygmies".
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Ah yes, the real intellectual giants in your psychopathic world are mass murderers and torturers like mao and stalin.

To the perverted those who speak for freedom and individuality are "pygmies".
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