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MOLON LABE: Oath Keepers Founder Gives Speech To 3,000 NY Gun Owners; Sets April 19th Deadline For Public Servants To Choose Sides. So It Begins!

 
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yeah, right. millions of gun owners are going to cower in their homes like some turd in Mongolia? Doubt it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28870983

Millions of gun owners are going to do exactly what they are told to do when push comes to shove. That is a fact that you will just have to accept. Just because someone is a gun owner does not keep them from also being a sheeple. If you can't see it, you are delusional.

Maybe thousands will not comply. Those will be your heros. You will see them on TV in the news, just like Dorner.

Many of those people in this video were smiling, laughing, cheering and having a good time. They really have no clue what they are getting themselves into. The clueless will scatter like cockroaches when TSHTF in their faces. I doubt you'll be able to truly count on many of those people at that rally when the body count skyrockets, unless they get a mortality clue real fast. Take a look as some Syria videos from Liveleak if you need a lesson on how nasty war looks. Will they still be smiling when their little daughter's brains are splattered all over their faces?

The real operators know better than to show up and put their faces in the DHS facial recognition database that everyone there did.

But some people have to make a show of support for the cause, right? Those will become the first martyrs. Say a prayer for their families.

Good luck, keyboard hero.
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Musch of what you say is sadly true. But do not underestimate the speed of the awakening that we see. When an idea reaches critical mass it seeps in everywhere.

But maybe all this talk about guns is a diversion? What do TPTB have to fear from people with handguns and semi-automatic weapons? They own the american people anyway, they control the economy completely and the military with its superior weaponry. What you really should focus on is all the other unconstitutional bills that are being signed. I bet Obama will back down on this gun grab and the majority will go back to sleep. And wake up in a police state. Where their AR15s are as effective as kitchen cutlery.
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Here's my understanding of the motive for gun control now: TPTB are getting ready to crash the US economy. They are going to bleed it dry first, then pull the plug. They understand there will be chaos and riots everywhere. That's why they are going to head for their guarded bunkers, to stay safely underground for awhile so nobody can get to them easily.

They learned from Israel, Afghanistan & Iraq that isolated above-ground compounds are vulnerable to attack from their enemies by indirect actions such as impr0vised m0rtars, impr0vised r0ckets, and home-made UAVs, etc. But they are virtually untouchable in underground guarded bunkers with self-contained air supplies to guard from forest fires, ch3m attacks, etc. They can get military or merc units to guard them up above their lairs.

But they are not so afraid of criminals with guns, because those types will run around looting and murdering usually only locally. What they do fear however are smart patriots who are armed and organized. They fear them the most, that they will come after them in vengence or for regime change. So it is a self-preservation move of desperation to disarm the law-abiding citizens before they pull the plug on the economy and the nation. But it will be done.

They know that they will not achieve all their gun right's violations by legislation and EO's alone, so they want chaos, riots and general rebellion to break out in order to institute a defacto Marshall law throughout the nation. Then they will have the excuse they need to completely trash what's left of the US Constitution and go grab the guns directly with the US & UN militaries as well as Blackwater mercs.

They can funnel as many foreign militaries (incl. the Chinese and Russians) as they want into the country to fight the "d0mestic terr0rist patri0ts" as long as they just give them baby blue helmets to wear. This War of Federal Aggression could go on for 10 or more years if they need it to. No other nation is going to come to the aid of the patri0ts. They will be on their own, until they are wiped out or surrender.

It's sad, but how can a bunch of disorganized patri0ts go up against the combined militaries of at least half of the US military, half of the US police forces, most of DHS and the other alphabets, plus several other militaries coming in from all around the world hiding under blue helmets? I'm sure those armies will be promised lots of worthless money and other goodies for their "humanitarian aid" to TPTB here. And the Lame-stream media will dutifully broadcast their scripts as instructed to keep everyone around the world turned against the "d0mestic terr0rists."

Once the nation is disarmed and the "rebellion" is purged, the Corporate slavery will begin and the NWO can begin consolidating nations in earnest. Canada and Mexico will be next, along with maybe Cerntral and South America, unless Brazil gets brave and somehow gets Russia and China to help it intervene and stall progress in South America. Then the American Union will merge with the EU and the NWO will be finally realized.

And it all hinges on America's guns.


The Age of Man is almost finished.

Only God can save us now.

Peace
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No cigar.

Did you see how much trouble, aggravation, confusion and paranoia Dorner caused, all by himself?

And he was a lunatic.

So multiply him times a few million sane gun owners who tell the goddamned government to go fuck itself and try to imagine the outcome.

The wheels of the machine would freeze.

Any rational person on either side of this argument does not want this to happen.

Don't think for one second though that it can't. We embarrassed the world's mightiest empire in the 1770's. We killed hundreds of thousands of each other in the 1860's. We fought the battle of Athens, TN.

And now, today, we are awake like never before. Go to a gun store in the States and listen to people bring up civil war and say "molon la vay."

It's easy to sit on your fat ass in Mongolia and tell us we're losers. I suppose you get a sense of satisfaction by projecting your own failures and insecurities on American gun owners. You think you're smart and so well spoken with your fine education, but at the end of the day you're just another whining intellectual coward.
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yeah, right. millions of gun owners are going to cower in their homes like some turd in Mongolia? Doubt it.
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Millions of gun owners are going to do exactly what they are told to do when push comes to shove. That is a fact that you will just have to accept. Just because someone is a gun owner does not keep them from also being a sheeple. If you can't see it, you are delusional.

Maybe thousands will not comply. Those will be your heros. You will see them on TV in the news, just like Dorner.

Many of those people in this video were smiling, laughing, cheering and having a good time. They really have no clue what they are getting themselves into. The clueless will scatter like cockroaches when TSHTF in their faces. I doubt you'll be able to truly count on many of those people at that rally when the body count skyrockets, unless they get a mortality clue real fast. Take a look as some Syria videos from Liveleak if you need a lesson on how nasty war looks. Will they still be smiling when their little daughter's brains are splattered all over their faces?

The real operators know better than to show up and put their faces in the DHS facial recognition database that everyone there did.

But some people have to make a show of support for the cause, right? Those will become the first martyrs. Say a prayer for their families.

Good luck, keyboard hero.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34318818



Musch of what you say is sadly true. But do not underestimate the speed of the awakening that we see. When an idea reaches critical mass it seeps in everywhere.

But maybe all this talk about guns is a diversion? What do TPTB have to fear from people with handguns and semi-automatic weapons? They own the american people anyway, they control the economy completely and the military with its superior weaponry. What you really should focus on is all the other unconstitutional bills that are being signed. I bet Obama will back down on this gun grab and the majority will go back to sleep. And wake up in a police state. Where their AR15s are as effective as kitchen cutlery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

Here's my understanding of the motive for gun control now: TPTB are getting ready to crash the US economy. They are going to bleed it dry first, then pull the plug. They understand there will be chaos and riots everywhere. That's why they are going to head for their guarded bunkers, to stay safely underground for awhile so nobody can get to them easily.

They learned from Israel, Afghanistan & Iraq that isolated above-ground compounds are vulnerable to attack from their enemies by indirect actions such as impr0vised m0rtars, impr0vised r0ckets, and home-made UAVs, etc. But they are virtually untouchable in underground guarded bunkers with self-contained air supplies to guard from forest fires, ch3m attacks, etc. They can get military or merc units to guard them up above their lairs.

But they are not so afraid of criminals with guns, because those types will run around looting and murdering usually only locally. What they do fear however are smart patriots who are armed and organized. They fear them the most, that they will come after them in vengence or for regime change. So it is a self-preservation move of desperation to disarm the law-abiding citizens before they pull the plug on the economy and the nation. But it will be done.

They know that they will not achieve all their gun right's violations by legislation and EO's alone, so they want chaos, riots and general rebellion to break out in order to institute a defacto Marshall law throughout the nation. Then they will have the excuse they need to completely trash what's left of the US Constitution and go grab the guns directly with the US & UN militaries as well as Blackwater mercs.

They can funnel as many foreign militaries (incl. the Chinese and Russians) as they want into the country to fight the "d0mestic terr0rist patri0ts" as long as they just give them baby blue helmets to wear. This War of Federal Aggression could go on for 10 or more years if they need it to. No other nation is going to come to the aid of the patri0ts. They will be on their own, until they are wiped out or surrender.

It's sad, but how can a bunch of disorganized patri0ts go up against the combined militaries of at least half of the US military, half of the US police forces, most of DHS and the other alphabets, plus several other militaries coming in from all around the world hiding under blue helmets? I'm sure those armies will be promised lots of worthless money and other goodies for their "humanitarian aid" to TPTB here. And the Lame-stream media will dutifully broadcast their scripts as instructed to keep everyone around the world turned against the "d0mestic terr0rists."

Once the nation is disarmed and the "rebellion" is purged, the Corporate slavery will begin and the NWO can begin consolidating nations in earnest. Canada and Mexico will be next, along with maybe Cerntral and South America, unless Brazil gets brave and somehow gets Russia and China to help it intervene and stall progress in South America. Then the American Union will merge with the EU and the NWO will be finally realized.

And it all hinges on America's guns.


The Age of Man is almost finished.

Only God can save us now.

Peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34318818


Thank you for your views.

I think there is one thing they fear more than patriots on the streets with guns. And that is patriots on the streets with their guns at home.

Massive civilian and peaceful protests, where you give the police and military lots of love, will break the Devil's neck. Demand only a few things that focuses on the cause of all evil. Demand the constitution back. Demand that the power over the dollar is handed back to the people. Demand an end to the monopoly in mass media.

No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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this is why your superiors left the planet, guns the biggest conspiracy ever this is stictly a whiteman conspiracy the first step on american soil,shoot the cheif let them know were serious, same with slaves guns how far does this have to go, we already have so many nukes to wipe the planet 100 over
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No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.
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wow.......... shit is getting real..... quick !!!!
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[link to ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com]

(Keystone State Skinhead/Nazi Forum Stormfront member/military soldier “Adolf Otto” recruits for Oath Keepers on racist Nazi forums )
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WHO ARE WE at ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com?


"We are a collective of artists, writers, photographers and videographers who have come together to report on and fight right-wing racism."

In other words, a bunch of left-wing faggots who admit to being THE ENEMY.
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when the time comes, no banker will be safe
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Bankers?

What about all of the TV news people?The ones who repressed the truth, twisted the views and did and said exactly what TPTB told them to do all for money?

hiding
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I, for one believe that they will be in as much shit as the rest of us. They are getting their payoff now.....theres only room for the 'elite' in those bunkers.

They are very, very usefull idiots.
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The difference between the tactics used in Iraq and Afghanistan is that TPTB went easy on the insurgents there, in the U.S., they will crush rebellion hard. Just shows you how evil they really are.
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No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.
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Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

If you call for a violent uprising at this point, I call you a shill.
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The difference between the tactics used in Iraq and Afghanistan is that TPTB went easy on the insurgents there, in the U.S., they will crush rebellion hard. Just shows you how evil they really are.
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Impossible. There are americans under the uniforms. That have friends and families in the US. There will be massive mutiny if they are ordered to kill US civilians.

TPTB know this and that is why they move drones to US. And foreign troops. And arm TSA-goons to the teeth.
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No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.
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Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

If you call for a violent uprising at this point, I call you a shill.
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This is true (bolded part). What we'd need to do here in the States is restore Constitutional rule.

But to sit around and your lazy keyboard-humping ass and say the modern day American Patriot stands zero chance is absolute folly. In fact it's quite absurd. You're not here, you don't know us, and quite frankly we don't give a shit what your opinion is.

We've always cut our own way, despite what the world has said about us. We'll do the same again when it comes down to it.
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No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.
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Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

If you call for a violent uprising at this point, I call you a shill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065


This is true (bolded part). What we'd need to do here in the States is restore Constitutional rule.

But to sit around and your lazy keyboard-humping ass and say the modern day American Patriot stands zero chance is absolute folly. In fact it's quite absurd. You're not here, you don't know us, and quite frankly we don't give a shit what your opinion is.

We've always cut our own way, despite what the world has said about us. We'll do the same again when it comes down to it.
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I think you have misunderstood me. Please read again. I have the utmost respect for the Oath Keepers. They are the backbone of the american resistance.

What I say is that the protests and uprising must be peaceful at this stage. Most dictators are toppled at this stage. With very little bloodshed. And during this stage the people need to win over the hearts of the police and military. If they do that, the battle is won.

In Syria they skipped this crucial stage. And are now about to be extinct.
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and when "they" say:

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ! ! !

With a caring smile, you will say: We The People

See It Here:
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Molon Labe.




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If this starts every patriot in the other states needs to step in and help our brothers. They can not defeat the whole USA. If God be for us who can be against us. Much time needs to be spent in prayer that God go before us and make our way straight. Pray people Pray.
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one thing no one has mentioned not only well our vets of all ages stand up. you have forgotten these are our brothers sisters parents and grandparents. these are people we all respect and love. the people will have blood in their eyes and nashing their teeth when or if they mishandle our loved ones..those idot politicians will not find a a place they can run from the hoards of angry people. don't be so stupid as to think we do not know who they are.americans love their families too
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[link to ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com]

(Keystone State Skinhead/Nazi Forum Stormfront member/military soldier “Adolf Otto” recruits for Oath Keepers on racist Nazi forums )
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WHO ARE WE at ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com?


"We are a collective of artists, writers, photographers and videographers who have come together to report on and fight right-wing racism."

In other words, a bunch of left-wing faggots who admit to being THE ENEMY.
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The phrase "Molon Labe" means "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.

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The phrase "Molon Labe" means "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
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If this starts every patriot in the other states needs to step in and help our brothers. They can not defeat the whole USA. If God be for us who can be against us. Much time needs to be spent in prayer that God go before us and make our way straight. Pray people Pray.
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since i thought the same and so did you i think it will be no surprise to any this is excatly what will happen. they have sent americans for so long all over this planet to be killed you got to know going to another state is only natural
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This brought tears to my eyes:

I am a soldier.  I know what war looks like, what it sounds like, smells like, what it feels like in my soul. I stand today in the twilight of my nation’s grace, looking into the darkness of impending war .

My sleep is troubled, knowing what awaits, yet the ignorant and the ‘true believers’ sleep easily in their delusions, and I am saddened by it.

Daily, I see the Blackhawk and Apache helicopters flying over my city , the military vehicles which appear so frequently now on our roads, often with ‘guns up’ in violation of Posse Comitatus, and I know why they prepare, that it is not far off.

Nightly I hear the report of gunfire near my home, the noise angry men make as they prepare to boil over.  These are not soldiers – they are but angry men.  And though I share their well-justified anger, I am cautious with them, for they are not disciplined, and they know not the face of war, nor the burdens it imposes upon mind, body, and soul.  Because of this, they are dangerous, and I am saddened by this – that dangerous men should roam the streets near my home, full of anger and the lust for vengeance.

All about me are the ceaseless murmurs of soulless politicians and media propagandists, who wear their agendas on their sleeves as a badge of superiority, and the boundless echoes of their contrived ‘message’ assaults me from all sides, even repeated from the mouths of dear friends, and I am saddened by it.

I bear witness to the fact that throughout my lifetime, the lifeblood of my republic has been drained away by greedy and self-serving men, from high to low, who contrive nought but deception against their neighbors and countrymen, and who fail to consider that their children and mine shall share the same fate, the same future, and I am saddened by it.

But I am a soldier , and I know what must be done; and so I shall put away my sadness and I shall harness up the bitter steed of war, and gird myself up for the battle; and I shall ride out to meet the enemies of Liberty; not in rage, not for anger sake or the hope of vengeance; but because I swore an oath before God, to jealously guard our Republic and its Constitution against all enemies; Him I shall not disappoint, for He is my Hope and my Trust.

Therefore, as much as my soul laments against the harsh truth before me, I make this declaration to my enemies who press me into this battle, that none shall be able to afterwards say “I did not know, you did not warn me”; I do not care why you took that job with the government, or why you continue to hold it. 

I only know that you have become Judas and sold yourself to an oppressive state - your government office buildings and vehicles are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly. I do not care why, as a journalist, you choose to spin and corrupt the news, rather than report the plain truth and let the people judge for themselves.  I only know that you have violated the public trust in the most vile and seditious manner, and thus your homes, offices, studios, vehicles, and any other place you may find yourself are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly.

I do not care why you signed that union card.  I only know that you pay dues to a communist organization which conducts treasonous works against my Republic daily – and so your union hall and your work-sites are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly. I do not care that you only voted for the traitor because you are elderly/disabled or otherwise dependent upon government largess.

  Are you so ignorant and/or disinterested that you could not see through their propaganda, to the fact that your sustenance was assured either way?  What have you gained now that the public housing areas you live in, and the public facilities you depend on are part of the battlefield? 

Though I am a soldier, I can afford you little protection, for you have placed yourselves on the battlefield. I know that all of these places andall of these people are part of the battlefield  ,not just because I am a soldier, and have experienced a few battlefields in my day; but also because our President declares that even our own homes are on the battlefield, whether we wish them to be or not, and I have no choice but to believe him; it’s not just that the NDAA passed – a battlefield is not defined by law; it’s the profound build-up of martial power and resources across my once-great nation which tells me a battle is being prepared here.  

Over two billion rounds of ammunition procured by DHS  and its sub-agencies in the past 18 months, plus machine guns in the tens of thousands, armored vehicles , combat aircraft, drones, and other implements of war being staged throughout our nation, our home – how do you explain that except as the preparation for battle ?

I will fight not because I desire it, but because I cannot justify any other course of action – when the enemy attacks, you must fight – you must kill or you will die.

  I smell you, my enemy; I can feel the ambush you have laid for me and my true countrymen, all about like a sticky spider’s web, yet we will not back down; and though you will kill some of us, you will not get us all before we have finished with you. I stand here, ready, on the eve of battle , and I ask God why I have been brough to the threshold of this battlefield, about to be thrust in, when I though my soldiering days were through; and I am reminded that there is by His decree, a Time to Kill, as well as a Time to Die…  who am I to question why?

 Saddle up, boys, it’s time to ride out and meet them.

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Millions of gun owners are going to do exactly what they are told to do when push comes to shove. That is a fact that you will just have to accept. Just because someone is a gun owner does not keep them from also being a sheeple. If you can't see it, you are delusional.

Maybe thousands will not comply. Those will be your heros. You will see them on TV in the news, just like Dorner.

Many of those people in this video were smiling, laughing, cheering and having a good time. They really have no clue what they are getting themselves into. The clueless will scatter like cockroaches when TSHTF in their faces. I doubt you'll be able to truly count on many of those people at that rally when the body count skyrockets, unless they get a mortality clue real fast. Take a look as some Syria videos from Liveleak if you need a lesson on how nasty war looks. Will they still be smiling when their little daughter's brains are splattered all over their faces?

The real operators know better than to show up and put their faces in the DHS facial recognition database that everyone there did.

But some people have to make a show of support for the cause, right? Those will become the first martyrs. Say a prayer for their families.

Good luck, keyboard hero.
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Musch of what you say is sadly true. But do not underestimate the speed of the awakening that we see. When an idea reaches critical mass it seeps in everywhere.

But maybe all this talk about guns is a diversion? What do TPTB have to fear from people with handguns and semi-automatic weapons? They own the american people anyway, they control the economy completely and the military with its superior weaponry. What you really should focus on is all the other unconstitutional bills that are being signed. I bet Obama will back down on this gun grab and the majority will go back to sleep. And wake up in a police state. Where their AR15s are as effective as kitchen cutlery.
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Here's my understanding of the motive for gun control now: TPTB are getting ready to crash the US economy. They are going to bleed it dry first, then pull the plug. They understand there will be chaos and riots everywhere. That's why they are going to head for their guarded bunkers, to stay safely underground for awhile so nobody can get to them easily.

They learned from Israel, Afghanistan & Iraq that isolated above-ground compounds are vulnerable to attack from their enemies by indirect actions such as impr0vised m0rtars, impr0vised r0ckets, and home-made UAVs, etc. But they are virtually untouchable in underground guarded bunkers with self-contained air supplies to guard from forest fires, ch3m attacks, etc. They can get military or merc units to guard them up above their lairs.

But they are not so afraid of criminals with guns, because those types will run around looting and murdering usually only locally. What they do fear however are smart patriots who are armed and organized. They fear them the most, that they will come after them in vengence or for regime change. So it is a self-preservation move of desperation to disarm the law-abiding citizens before they pull the plug on the economy and the nation. But it will be done.

They know that they will not achieve all their gun right's violations by legislation and EO's alone, so they want chaos, riots and general rebellion to break out in order to institute a defacto Marshall law throughout the nation. Then they will have the excuse they need to completely trash what's left of the US Constitution and go grab the guns directly with the US & UN militaries as well as Blackwater mercs.

They can funnel as many foreign militaries (incl. the Chinese and Russians) as they want into the country to fight the "d0mestic terr0rist patri0ts" as long as they just give them baby blue helmets to wear. This War of Federal Aggression could go on for 10 or more years if they need it to. No other nation is going to come to the aid of the patri0ts. They will be on their own, until they are wiped out or surrender.

It's sad, but how can a bunch of disorganized patri0ts go up against the combined militaries of at least half of the US military, half of the US police forces, most of DHS and the other alphabets, plus several other militaries coming in from all around the world hiding under blue helmets? I'm sure those armies will be promised lots of worthless money and other goodies for their "humanitarian aid" to TPTB here. And the Lame-stream media will dutifully broadcast their scripts as instructed to keep everyone around the world turned against the "d0mestic terr0rists."

Once the nation is disarmed and the "rebellion" is purged, the Corporate slavery will begin and the NWO can begin consolidating nations in earnest. Canada and Mexico will be next, along with maybe Cerntral and South America, unless Brazil gets brave and somehow gets Russia and China to help it intervene and stall progress in South America. Then the American Union will merge with the EU and the NWO will be finally realized.

And it all hinges on America's guns.


The Age of Man is almost finished.

Only God can save us now.

Peace
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No cigar.

Did you see how much trouble, aggravation, confusion and paranoia Dorner caused, all by himself?

And he was a lunatic.

So multiply him times a few million sane gun owners who tell the goddamned government to go fuck itself and try to imagine the outcome.

The wheels of the machine would freeze.

Any rational person on either side of this argument does not want this to happen.

Don't think for one second though that it can't. We embarrassed the world's mightiest empire in the 1770's. We killed hundreds of thousands of each other in the 1860's. We fought the battle of Athens, TN.

And now, today, we are awake like never before. Go to a gun store in the States and listen to people bring up civil war and say "molon la vay."

It's easy to sit on your fat ass in Mongolia and tell us we're losers. I suppose you get a sense of satisfaction by projecting your own failures and insecurities on American gun owners. You think you're smart and so well spoken with your fine education, but at the end of the day you're just another whining intellectual coward.
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Agreed also We will not all be lining up on battle field, time is on our side. It will be a war of attrition just like afghanistan.
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No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.
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This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.
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Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

If you call for a violent uprising at this point, I call you a shill.
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You shot down your own argument when you referred to the Arab Spring. Egypt got their Muzzie Bruthers who promptly went full blown dictator. That is to be expected because the whole Arab Spring was a Psyop with the USA and UN pulling the strings.

I agree with most of what you say but you used a shitty example to make your point.

A violent civil uprising is going to happen in the USA. It is inevitable because TPTB are going to keep pushing the massed to the breaking point.
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This brought tears to my eyes:

I am a soldier.  I know what war looks like, what it sounds like, smells like, what it feels like in my soul. I stand today in the twilight of my nation’s grace, looking into the darkness of impending war .

My sleep is troubled, knowing what awaits, yet the ignorant and the ‘true believers’ sleep easily in their delusions, and I am saddened by it.

Daily, I see the Blackhawk and Apache helicopters flying over my city , the military vehicles which appear so frequently now on our roads, often with ‘guns up’ in violation of Posse Comitatus, and I know why they prepare, that it is not far off.

Nightly I hear the report of gunfire near my home, the noise angry men make as they prepare to boil over.  These are not soldiers – they are but angry men.  And though I share their well-justified anger, I am cautious with them, for they are not disciplined, and they know not the face of war, nor the burdens it imposes upon mind, body, and soul.  Because of this, they are dangerous, and I am saddened by this – that dangerous men should roam the streets near my home, full of anger and the lust for vengeance.

All about me are the ceaseless murmurs of soulless politicians and media propagandists, who wear their agendas on their sleeves as a badge of superiority, and the boundless echoes of their contrived ‘message’ assaults me from all sides, even repeated from the mouths of dear friends, and I am saddened by it.

I bear witness to the fact that throughout my lifetime, the lifeblood of my republic has been drained away by greedy and self-serving men, from high to low, who contrive nought but deception against their neighbors and countrymen, and who fail to consider that their children and mine shall share the same fate, the same future, and I am saddened by it.

But I am a soldier , and I know what must be done; and so I shall put away my sadness and I shall harness up the bitter steed of war, and gird myself up for the battle; and I shall ride out to meet the enemies of Liberty; not in rage, not for anger sake or the hope of vengeance; but because I swore an oath before God, to jealously guard our Republic and its Constitution against all enemies; Him I shall not disappoint, for He is my Hope and my Trust.

Therefore, as much as my soul laments against the harsh truth before me, I make this declaration to my enemies who press me into this battle, that none shall be able to afterwards say “I did not know, you did not warn me”; I do not care why you took that job with the government, or why you continue to hold it. 

I only know that you have become Judas and sold yourself to an oppressive state - your government office buildings and vehicles are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly. I do not care why, as a journalist, you choose to spin and corrupt the news, rather than report the plain truth and let the people judge for themselves.  I only know that you have violated the public trust in the most vile and seditious manner, and thus your homes, offices, studios, vehicles, and any other place you may find yourself are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly.

I do not care why you signed that union card.  I only know that you pay dues to a communist organization which conducts treasonous works against my Republic daily – and so your union hall and your work-sites are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly. I do not care that you only voted for the traitor because you are elderly/disabled or otherwise dependent upon government largess.

  Are you so ignorant and/or disinterested that you could not see through their propaganda, to the fact that your sustenance was assured either way?  What have you gained now that the public housing areas you live in, and the public facilities you depend on are part of the battlefield? 

Though I am a soldier, I can afford you little protection, for you have placed yourselves on the battlefield. I know that all of these places andall of these people are part of the battlefield  ,not just because I am a soldier, and have experienced a few battlefields in my day; but also because our President declares that even our own homes are on the battlefield, whether we wish them to be or not, and I have no choice but to believe him; it’s not just that the NDAA passed – a battlefield is not defined by law; it’s the profound build-up of martial power and resources across my once-great nation which tells me a battle is being prepared here.  

Over two billion rounds of ammunition procured by DHS  and its sub-agencies in the past 18 months, plus machine guns in the tens of thousands, armored vehicles , combat aircraft, drones, and other implements of war being staged throughout our nation, our home – how do you explain that except as the preparation for battle ?

I will fight not because I desire it, but because I cannot justify any other course of action – when the enemy attacks, you must fight – you must kill or you will die.

  I smell you, my enemy; I can feel the ambush you have laid for me and my true countrymen, all about like a sticky spider’s web, yet we will not back down; and though you will kill some of us, you will not get us all before we have finished with you. I stand here, ready, on the eve of battle , and I ask God why I have been brough to the threshold of this battlefield, about to be thrust in, when I though my soldiering days were through; and I am reminded that there is by His decree, a Time to Kill, as well as a Time to Die…  who am I to question why?

 Saddle up, boys, it’s time to ride out and meet them.

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The comments in that article are very telling. This is but one such website exposing these sentiments.
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