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Is there a Gothic Heaven?

 
Holy_Diver
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Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Something bothering me for a long time.

I crave the bliss and serenity of Home/Heaven yet I have a dark, somber, weary soul and my asthetic is reflective of that.

Is there room enough in Heaven for the Darkness?
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:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Heaven comes when we use darkness as a weapon against itself.

So... hells ya, man!

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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
yeah.....its called Heaven!!!!
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Yeah, it's called the place of Torments
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
of course there is room for you.

you left a void there when you decided to come here.

and you'll be back here, one day, to learn new things once again.

enjoy it.
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Something bothering me for a long time.

I crave the bliss and serenity of Home/Heaven yet I have a dark, somber, weary soul and my asthetic is reflective of that.

Is there room enough in Heaven for the Darkness?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver



Its the Light side of all our deepest inner beings


meaning you can express all you want as a person and spirit


just there are things that cant happen there that happen here


like murder war greed.....things like that


spiritual expression of self you can do all you want hf
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
It would sort of have to be a realm of double irony...because pain would have to represent pleasure without actually being painful, and sorrow would have to be joyous without actually being bad news.

Or would that just be single irony?

Addams Family without the camp?

Or is Gothic Heaven naturally campy?

ARe there both kinds and do they bleed into one another?
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It would sort of have to be a realm of double irony...because pain would have to represent pleasure without actually being painful, and sorrow would have to be joyous without actually being bad news.

Or would that just be single irony?

Addams Family without the camp?

Or is Gothic Heaven naturally campy?

ARe there both kinds and do they bleed into one another?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver

now you're just being silly

forget your earthly inclinations

they do not exist
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Something bothering me for a long time.

I crave the bliss and serenity of Home/Heaven yet I have a dark, somber, weary soul and my asthetic is reflective of that.

Is there room enough in Heaven for the Darkness?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver



Its the Light side of all our deepest inner beings


meaning you can express all you want as a person and spirit


just there are things that cant happen there that happen here


like murder war greed.....things like that


spiritual expression of self you can do all you want hf
 Quoting: TT SGODi TT


What about the love of the drama of murder, war and greed, envy and lust and intrigue?

Is it "wrong" in gothic heaven to appreciate the spectacle and enactment of these things without actually harming those who share the realm?

Sort of like a full-immersion role playing game where the art of it exalts Most High in it's own little beauty?

Or is that what life already is???

Ahhhh.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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It would sort of have to be a realm of double irony...because pain would have to represent pleasure without actually being painful, and sorrow would have to be joyous without actually being bad news.

Or would that just be single irony?

Addams Family without the camp?

Or is Gothic Heaven naturally campy?

ARe there both kinds and do they bleed into one another?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver

now you're just being silly

forget your earthly inclinations

they do not exist
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Just stream-of-conciousnessing here. Sorry.
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It would sort of have to be a realm of double irony...because pain would have to represent pleasure without actually being painful, and sorrow would have to be joyous without actually being bad news.

Or would that just be single irony?

Addams Family without the camp?

Or is Gothic Heaven naturally campy?

ARe there both kinds and do they bleed into one another?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver

now you're just being silly

forget your earthly inclinations

they do not exist
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


Just stream-of-conciousnessing here. Sorry.
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But you are evolved. And it is beyond.
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Yes my dear friend.

There is a Gothic Heaven.

Welcome home.
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[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]
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But you are evolved. And it is beyond.
 Quoting: M1.618

I'm taking a couple of steps back, I guess. This music (youtube link post number 2) is putting me in a place of dark beauty.
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Yes my dear friend.

There is a Gothic Heaven.

Welcome home.
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This isn't quite it. Or maybe that's my fault for not seeing it.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Something bothering me for a long time.

I crave the bliss and serenity of Home/Heaven yet I have a dark, somber, weary soul and my asthetic is reflective of that.

Is there room enough in Heaven for the Darkness?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver



Its the Light side of all our deepest inner beings


meaning you can express all you want as a person and spirit


just there are things that cant happen there that happen here


like murder war greed.....things like that


spiritual expression of self you can do all you want hf
 Quoting: TT SGODi TT


What about the love of the drama of murder, war and greed, envy and lust and intrigue?

Is it "wrong" in gothic heaven to appreciate the spectacle and enactment of these things without actually harming those who share the realm?

Sort of like a full-immersion role playing game where the art of it exalts Most High in it's own little beauty?

Or is that what life already is???

Ahhhh.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


That is why we come here


those thoughts on that level don't exist any more

and whos to say that you are truly goth in Heaven??

You could be a beautiful angel experiencing a GOTH experience here on Earth

all spirits become the whole meaning we become all different types of being in creation based on what stories are written for us here.

The thoughts you are talking about are not even possible in Heaven. Like Murder greed hate....

to hurt another or effect another in a negative way is not possible in the creation and will never be expressed in Heaven


this is why these realms were created

but that does not mean you cant be a type of Heavenly goth

its just not the same goth your use 2 on Earth

But that does not mean you cant be you, yet you were in Heaven before you came here.
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Something bothering me for a long time.

I crave the bliss and serenity of Home/Heaven yet I have a dark, somber, weary soul and my asthetic is reflective of that.

Is there room enough in Heaven for the Darkness?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver



Its the Light side of all our deepest inner beings


meaning you can express all you want as a person and spirit


just there are things that cant happen there that happen here


like murder war greed.....things like that


spiritual expression of self you can do all you want hf
 Quoting: TT SGODi TT


What about the love of the drama of murder, war and greed, envy and lust and intrigue?

Is it "wrong" in gothic heaven to appreciate the spectacle and enactment of these things without actually harming those who share the realm?

Sort of like a full-immersion role playing game where the art of it exalts Most High in it's own little beauty?

Or is that what life already is???

Ahhhh.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


That is why we come here


those thoughts on that level don't exist any more

and whos to say that you are truly goth in Heaven??

You could be a beautiful angel experiencing a GOTH experience here on Earth

all spirits become the whole meaning we become all different types of being in creation based on what stories are written for us here.

The thoughts you are talking about are not even possible in Heaven. Like Murder greed hate....

to hurt another or effect another in a negative way is not possible in the creation and will never be expressed in Heaven


this is why these realms were created

but that does not mean you cant be a type of Heavenly goth

its just not the same goth your use 2 on Earth
 Quoting: TT SGODi TT


Yeah, I know what you're saying is true.

At the end of the day, I just want to go home. I suppose once I'm there I'll forget all about the "Big City"
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
There certainly is OP. I look forward to meeting you there. cool2
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
I understand where your coming from

home/Heaven is always there for us

we know this within our being

but if what you want to know that you can be who you want to be and spiritually express yourself in a Healthy way

That is what Heaven is, all that you are thinking it is

there is a type of duality in Heaven as well just not as extreme as here
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Re: Is there a Gothic Heaven?
Perhaps Heaven is a Zodiac where every sign/region is a slice of spectrum that resonates with an Archetype in it's own infinite expressions as dominated by that Archetype.

I am reminded of the old AD&D's diagram of the outer planes, where on a cross of two poles, Law vs Chaos and Good vs Evil, where the circumference is made up of sub planes, Lawful Evil, Chaotic Evil, Nuetral Evil and each of these six neighbored by two buffering planes in between the major divisions, and stacked on top of each other sub or super levels of degree.

All accessible by the plane of balance, True Nuetral.

I digress. Again, just letting the brain ramble tonight.
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